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Danzig 09-17-2015 10:38 AM

factchecking the debate
 
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/fac...blican-debate/

too bad that they don't have someone right there to blow a horn when someone says something incorrect.

bigrun 09-17-2015 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1043313)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/fac...blican-debate/

too bad that they don't have someone right there to blow a horn when someone says something incorrect.


You would need an orchestra of trumpets to keep up with the b/s:D...but it was fun watching...

OldDog 09-17-2015 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1043313)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/fac...blican-debate/

too bad that they don't have someone right there to blow a horn when someone says something incorrect.

Quote:

◾Carly Fiorina said that the Planned Parenthood videos released by an anti-abortion group showed “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.” But that scene isn’t in any of the videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rooKH-P9qU

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/17/...s-deny-exists/

Danzig 09-17-2015 09:31 PM

How interesting that this is the one thing from the article that you fastened upon...



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-watch-planne/

that's from politifact, that rates fiorinas claim as mostly false.
this article discusses her claims, and what all they found, including that pp has no such video. no one has such a video showing what she claimed.

GenuineRisk 09-18-2015 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1043347)
How interesting that this is the one thing from the article that you fastened upon...



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-watch-planne/

that's from politifact, that rates fiorinas claim as mostly false.
this article discusses her claims, and what all they found, including that pp has no such video. no one has such a video showing what she claimed.

The "Center for Medical Progress"'s truthfulness is right up there with PETA's horse racing "sting" video. Yeesh. How people can be so incredibly dumb as to think that hearing a voiceover during footage means that's the actual scenario the person is describing is mind boggling (let alone "someone said they saw it happen, therefore it happened"). Seriously, "stock footage" people. Look it up.

Speaking of poor uses of stock footage:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...east-Asia.html

GenuineRisk 09-18-2015 09:28 AM

It's the vaccine part that really got my goat. Shame on them.

OldDog 09-18-2015 03:15 PM

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Watch the full video for yourself. It does, in fact, show a fully formed fetus, heart beating and legs kicking. And it shows this while Holly O’Donnell, a former organ harvester who worked for StemExpress at a Planned Parenthood affiliate, graphically discuss the harvesting of a brain from a baby whose heart was beating.

. . . a baby born alive at the same age as the baby whose face and head was cut open to harvest the brain.
Q: Does Planned Parenthood harvest organs from live fetuses?

Danzig 09-18-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1043369)
Q: Does Planned Parenthood harvest organs from live fetuses?

I have no idea
[quote=GenuineRisk;1043354]It's the vaccine part that really got my goat. Shame on them.[/QUOTE

No joke. Especially doctors who should know better.

bigrun 09-18-2015 06:23 PM

A 'good' Trump story..Got this from a friend..


Quote:

My niece related a story from the early 90's when she was a new seasonal mail carrier.

She was delivering mail and one stop wasTrump's fathers place in Queens. He noticed she didn't have on the uniform shirt and asked her why. She was a skinny shy little blond kid at the time and she told him that she just started and they didn't give her one.

He said he was going to call them, that if she was working for them, then she should have the uniform. When she got back to the PO that afternoon, they made sure she got the shirt.

GenuineRisk 09-18-2015 06:24 PM

The first polio vaccine was developed using fetal liver tissue.

Rubella vaccine
Chicken pox vaccine
Shingles vaccine

All developed using fetal tissue. Which is strictly regulated by the government. No clinic is making money off of tissue. They may charge to recoup the costs of processing and transport, which is why the amounts quoted in the "sting" videos for tissue were $30-$100.

Studies now are on whether it can be used to treat retinitis pigmentosa, which causes blindness. It's gradually being supplanted by stem cells, but is still useful in many areas of research.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/health...sue-explainer/

bigrun 09-18-2015 06:42 PM

So what, everybody knows that:p


Trump doesn't challenge anti-Muslim questioner at event..


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politi...ire/index.html

Danzig 09-18-2015 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1043398)
The first polio vaccine was developed using fetal liver tissue.

Rubella vaccine
Chicken pox vaccine
Shingles vaccine

All developed using fetal tissue. Which is strictly regulated by the government. No clinic is making money off of tissue. They may charge to recoup the costs of processing and transport, which is why the amounts quoted in the "sting" videos for tissue were $30-$100.

Studies now are on whether it can be used to treat retinitis pigmentosa, which causes blindness. It's gradually being supplanted by stem cells, but is still useful in many areas of research.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/health...sue-explainer/



Saw the house voted to defund pp. Ridiculous. But, hey, who cares, its mostly women getting affected.

somerfrost 09-20-2015 10:57 AM

Another government shut down looming...let the blame game start. Science will save humanity, unless overwhelmed by religious fanatics.

Danzig 09-20-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1043539)
Another government shut down looming...let the blame game start. Science will save humanity, unless overwhelmed by religious fanatics.

I hope science and knowledge wins out....and then I think of the barbarians and the great library.

Some people say why are countries beginning to out pace us....don't we lead industrial nations insofar as religion??

bigrun 09-20-2015 01:58 PM

The game is rigged, even for the Donald: How the GOP can block his nomination.


http://www.salon.com/2015/09/20/how_...ium=socialflow

Danzig 10-16-2015 01:37 PM

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/fac...cratic-debate/

fact check on the democratic debate....

bigrun 10-16-2015 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1045388)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/fac...cratic-debate/

fact check on the democratic debate....


Quote:

Clinton claimed that “we lose 90 people a day from gun violence.” That’s true, but only a third of those deaths are from homicides.

What are the other 2/3 deaths from?

Danzig 10-16-2015 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 1045390)
What are the other 2/3 deaths from?

dunno..accidental discharge? suicide? thought someone was a deer, self defense?

bigrun 10-16-2015 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1045391)
dunno..accidental discharge? suicide? thought someone was a deer, self defense?


Ok, sounds about right...but aren't all those "gun violence"?

Danzig 10-16-2015 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 1045393)
Ok, sounds about right...but aren't all those "gun violence"?

i'm not thinking it would be considered gun 'violence' if you were cleaning your gun and it went off and shot you.

GenuineRisk 10-16-2015 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1045399)
i'm not thinking it would be considered gun 'violence' if you were cleaning your gun and it went off and shot you.

I think the numbers are also hard to count because local law enforcement has a lot of latitude on whether to declare a gun death a homicide or not. A child shooting his sibling can be called an "accidental death" rather than an "accidental homicide."

(Note: homicide doesn't mean deliberate; it just means killing of a person by another person.)

Danzig 10-16-2015 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1045411)
I think the numbers are also hard to count because local law enforcement has a lot of latitude on whether to declare a gun death a homicide or not. A child shooting his sibling can be called an "accidental death" rather than an "accidental homicide."

(Note: homicide doesn't mean deliberate; it just means killing of a person by another person.)

True...

richard burch 10-18-2015 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1043313)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/fac...blican-debate/

too bad that they don't have someone right there to blow a horn when someone says something incorrect.

Really? I seem to get "corrected" all the time.

Danzig 10-18-2015 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1045662)
Really? I seem to get "corrected" all the time.

I didn't know you were a candidate.

Danzig 10-29-2015 06:50 AM

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/fac...-cnbc-debates/

Jeb bush talking about fantasy football.....truly, I think that moment encapsulated all his issues as a candidate.

Rudeboyelvis 10-29-2015 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1046366)
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/fac...-cnbc-debates/

Jeb bush talking about fantasy football.....truly, I think that moment encapsulated all his issues as a candidate.

What’s the bottom line? FactCheck.org is a LEFT-BIASED organization that has sold itself as “Politically NEUTRAL” to America’s voters and media personnel.

The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.

Does the LEFT have no conscience at all?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2104053/posts

GenuineRisk 10-29-2015 11:38 AM

Jeb Bush Should Become a Democrat

Entertaining read.

Danzig 10-29-2015 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1046387)

i think his fundemental problem is....well, himself.
he seems less than able to put together coherent sentences. it takes him two weeks and multiple attempts to answer a question. he says stupid stuff. he seems wimpy. he rightly attempted to chastise rubio last night, and ended up looking like a whipped puppy when he was done. he says he's not there to perform, but yes, that's what required. performance...which is what he asked for from rubio, and then stood there and took a tongue lashing for bringing it up. he's not the 'smart' bush. he's just a bush.
he may we able to outlast some of the other people running, but i think he's only damaging himself more while he babbles to whoever will listen.

Danzig 10-29-2015 12:02 PM

http://www.politifact.com/

they were talking this morning on morning joe about how bad the cnbc moderators were. some entertaining info-such as mentioning trump bashing zuckerberg, but when he said i never attacked zuckerberg, the moderator dropped it--and it was on trumps own site that he had done that.
rubio and his foreclosed house, etc that they asked him about, and he brushed them off and said that was all made up stuff-no, it's all true.
just amazing stuff.

Danzig 10-29-2015 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1046380)
What’s the bottom line? FactCheck.org is a LEFT-BIASED organization that has sold itself as “Politically NEUTRAL” to America’s voters and media personnel.

The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.

Does the LEFT have no conscience at all?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2104053/posts

:rolleyes:

http://ivn.us/2014/07/11/how-reliabl...check-sources/

FactCheck.org’s reliability is due in part to its somewhat inconvenient yet also wise refusal to assign simple ratings along a continuous spectrum: it does not summarily declare statements “True” or “False,” but instead provides detailed analysis explaining their incorrectness or incompleteness and lets the reader reach his or her own conclusion.

Critics from all sides have pointed out the bias and editorial nature of some of PolitiFact’s and Kessler’s purportedly objective verdicts.


from all sides...interesting.

and how ironic, free republic making accusations of bias.
if you look backward in this thread, you'll find their (and politifacts) take on the dem debate.

one other thing.....i know some like to 'shoot the messenger' so as to attempt to ignore the message. but, in disparaging that particular messenger (factcheck.org) did you read their debate write up? were they wrong on any of it?

bigrun 10-29-2015 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1046393)
:rolleyes:

http://ivn.us/2014/07/11/how-reliabl...check-sources/

FactCheck.org’s reliability is due in part to its somewhat inconvenient yet also wise refusal to assign simple ratings along a continuous spectrum: it does not summarily declare statements “True” or “False,” but instead provides detailed analysis explaining their incorrectness or incompleteness and lets the reader reach his or her own conclusion.

Critics from all sides have pointed out the bias and editorial nature of some of PolitiFact’s and Kessler’s purportedly objective verdicts.


from all sides...interesting.

and how ironic, free republic making accusations of bias.
if you look backward in this thread, you'll find their (and politifacts) take on the dem debate.

one other thing.....i know some like to 'shoot the messenger' so as to attempt to ignore the message. but, in disparaging that particular messenger (factcheck.org) did you read their debate write up? were they wrong on any of it?


I get the real facts from Faux News :zz:...unfair and unbalanced:p

Danzig 10-29-2015 06:05 PM

I knew huckster was a charlatan snake oil salesman... So is Carson.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-well-...-carson-denies

Danzig 10-29-2015 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 1046403)
I get the real facts from Faux News :zz:...unfair and unbalanced:p

It's only biased when you disagree? :D

Danzig 10-30-2015 01:52 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rnc-suspe...bc-news-debate


so, complaints that three hours is too long, and now complaints about 'gotcha' questions.

um...these candidates do realize that they're trying to get a job that is 24/7, and is nothing but gotcha moments, right?
ridiculous.

Danzig 11-11-2015 09:39 AM

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/fac...onomic-debate/

OldDog 11-16-2015 02:38 PM

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...cratic-debate/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...bate/75803260/

Danzig 01-29-2016 01:11 PM

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Rudeboyelvis 01-31-2016 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1054865)

Someone maybe oughta tell the AP that editorializing a Republican debate with nothing except Obama's blatantly misleading and laughably hole-filled talking points is not, in fact, "Fact Checking".

Lazy drivel, more aptly.


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