shooting in sc
 

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-erupt...021744448.html


nine killed,just awful.

Sick bastard ID'd

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2015/06/...g-bible-study/

http://www.live5news.com/story/29347...eston-shooting

Arrested

http://www.live5news.com/story/29347...mpaign=meganav

Thankfully SC has the death penalty.

RIH douche bag

Last week Charlie Pierce delivered one of the best and most glowing appreciations of the Crown success.. Now he has to go back to the most consistent, disgusting behavior in this increasingly embarrassing country..

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...1456_195657991

Dear Fox & Friends: No, this was not an attack on religion. It's never been. These white folk singers from Queens understood that 50 years ago. why don't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyDJFMojIoA

I find its impossible to use rational thought to explain the irrational. Those poor people, my heart goes out to their families and friends.

Have been watching the Hawks Stanley Cup celebration but FOX at least online certainly isn't branding this as an attack on religion but rather a hate crime. The killer clearly stated he was there to kill black people not church people. Just turned on FOX and they're describing it as a terrorist attack as well as a hate crime. Can you please link something declaring it an attack on religion?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/18...-at-sc-church/

Just heard SC does not have a hate crime statute but since he fled to NC the Feds can step in and charge him. I just hope they allow SC to prosecute, find him guilty and kill his azz making hate crime indictments moot.

Fox and Friends this AM:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...e_calling.html

Video included.

he's right. i knew they'd said the church was historic, but i'd not yet looked at what made it so. that sob chose this church on purpose i would think, because of who first built it.
and history is alive, it's a continual flow. the civil war wasn't an end to slavery and all the accompanying wrongs. look at the kkk, lynchings, jim crow...that we even had to have a civil rights act. and then a senator decided to make it even less palatable to the voters in congress, he added women as yet another reason to knock it down. ooops, lucky for many of us, that ploy didn't work.
everyone has to continue to fight, because a few still feel they are 'superior' because their ancestors moved out of subsarahan africa and away from the equator earlier than the people around them. they look at people 'different' from them and assign stereotypes to them, they are no better than a virus attacking another. no thought, no reasoning, just lash out.
i'm sick of it.

'But you just made a great point a moment ago about hostility towards Christians. And it was a church...'

ah, fox 'news'. the chief dog whistler. their paid shills open their mouths and stupid falls out. and they had a hater on there to help explain what happened?! oh, that's just awesome.



“Well, most people jump to conclusions about race,” Jackson responded. “I long for the day that people stop doing that in our country.”

yeah, you didn't have to jump at all for this one.

This morning it was reported that during the shooting, suspected gunman Dylan Roof said, “I have to do it. You rape our women and you are taking over our country. And you have to go.”

and who the hell is 'our' in our country?! argh, dude, i don't want to be in your version of 'our country'.

The incredible story of the historic church where the Charleston shooting took place
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8803623...church-history

The Remarkable Life of Denmark Vesey, Co-Founder of Charleston's Emanuel Church
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...emanuel-church

Thanks, and a black minister to boot. :zz:

So in his mind was the gunman lying when he said he was there to shoot black people.:wf

Luckily the labeling of it being an attack on Christians/Christianity has ceased as far as I can tell.

I think that a lot of people feel exactly the same, which is why I find it odd that Pierce calls out people who refer to this incident as "unspeakable" or "unthinkable." Rational, good people find it difficult if not impossible to comprehend what this guy did, on several levels, and without foresight to consult a thesaurus before they speak from their hearts.

Pierce: "The country must resist the temptation present in anesthetic innocence. It must reject the false comfort of learned disbelief and the narcotic embrace of concocted surprise."

So we shouldn't be surprised. We're guilty of allowing this to happen. This display is after all, as Pierce says, "the dark heart of America."

Well okay then.

well, one problem is that people don't want to talk about it. about guns, about violence, about how things are, about race, about any of it. some think nothing can be done-but i disagree about that.
why this particular person did what he did, i don't know.
so, no, it's not a surprise, he's right. what's surprising is that there's no will to change it.

it's like the guy in colorado. i read yesterday on another site that the guys therapist called his mother, because the therapist was concerned. but, mom said it's all ok. um, what?! an oncologist wouldn't tell you you don't need cancer treatment if mom said you were ok, why do we still refuse to deal with mental health in the way we need to? and parents never want to think that junior is off, they want it to be ok. so they pretend it's ok. we had a guy here a few years ago shoot a classmate. he was a nut, all the students knew it. teachers knew it. parents did nothing til he killed that kid. now, he's crazy, and now he's in the psych ward. little late isn't it?!

and where was he getting all this 'you're taking over our country, raping our women' bs?! who instilled that in him?

Um is France a developed country?

How about Norway where a gunman killed 85?

Germany, Russia, Finland, Spain, Australia and Italy, are they developed countries?

Guess ignorance is bliss for some.

Like you apparently.

You're comparing gun violence here with the rest of the world and think it's on a par? OK.

South Carolina's oh-so-special Sen. Lindsey Graham.. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...us-charleston/

A not so reliant news source is reporting the racist murderer was on psych drugs. What father buys his psychotic kid a .45 for his 21st birthday? If this turns out to be true the father needs to go away as an accessory to nine counts of murder and several counts of accessory to attempted murder while Jr. gets the death penalty.

I don't think it's on par but am not so ignorant to state it doesn't happen in other developed countries.

Because it's comparable especially considering your boyfriend Obummer just said it doesn't happen anywhere civilized. (not exact quote, semantics tards).

He basically said the French don't exist. Charlie Hebdo didn't happen.

He insults the intelligence of non-ret.arded, agenda-driven 'Americans' who are ignorant enough to believe a simple executive order banning guns will actually end these events.

The only way you'll have a chance at success is door to door confiscation.

No different than the Nazis.

The hypocrisy is astounding. The naive idiotic mantras you anti-American scum spout when an emotional event happens...TYPICAL.

Ban me. You're a shill.

Taking advantage of a frightened public. Taking away their rights.

Easily being swayed by emotion. The easiest to manipulate and control.

Very little difference.

History often repeats.

I'm not looking to debate what the President said.. The bigger issue that I'm reacting to is how as a country there hasn't been any coherent attempt to figure out how to practically address a problem that goes on and on and on. That's all.

Coach.. You're over-reacting to what I'm over-reacting to. My frustration is in trying to figure out a way to address whatever socio-economic forces are producing the wide variety of mass shootings we endure here. That's all. It's an aspect of life here that shouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Along with things like infant mortality and illiteracy rates.

It's a ripple affect of society. The way some/most have gone soft with raising kids and by what is being allowed to be viewed on t.v's,games, movies, magazines, Billboards, social media, etc.that wasn't there 30+ yrs ago. It's evolution and it's going in a bad direction. I really don't think there is a way to stop it from getting worse

Illiteracy rates?

That's a good question especially considering what happened to Freddie Gray.

Why is it that the Baltimore Sun can still do decent research about how Freddie and his sister lived in a building that was covered in lead paint and they were basically poisoned for years leading to a myriad of health problems including severe mental deficiencies?

Instead what we get is a blatant overlook of that article and a witch hunt. And I believe this has more to do with the media protecting their favorite team in the false left-right paradigm game.

How is it in a country hyper-focused on making certain individuals pay dearly for their behavior and negligence that the landlord of Freddie's childhood home is getting a pass when laws about lead in homes have been on the books since the early 70's?

It goes much deeper than merely gun control.

Sorry I got testy it's just I'm tired of the narrative. It needs to change.

Back on topic kinda went off the rails there but that part of the Freddie Gray case has bothered me immensely. It's, imho, the greatest crime of all.

Now about this incident.

How many 21 year old chili bowl southern boys you know that are hip to apartheid and Rhodesia?

Lone wolf? Pfffffffft.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...nckney/396251/

June 17th 1822. Coinky dink?

I disagree. This isnt a new thing, occurring only very recently.

http://news.discovery.com/history/ma...ory-121220.htm

Every generation looks at the next one and says we are screwed. Whether it was women voting, rock n roll, or facebook, some point and blame.
in many ways we are better off than ever. The good old days included polio, smallpox and no antibiotics.
there have always been mentally ill folks and bizarre behavior. What we as a nation need to do is treat mental illness as the health issue it is. The therapist of the colorado shooter was concerned, so he called the shooters mother. Wtf? Better he could have called a hospital and had the guy admitted.
in louisiana, they just watered down a measure that would have prevented people with stalking records and domestic violence from getting a gun. Again, wtf?
This guy seemed a nut, who was fed a lot of hate from god knows where. It was a lethal combination.

:tro:

Yeah, what did that vidoe posted on here anout america include? Number one in defense, death rate for infants, and people who believe in angels.

Oh, god. Lindsey graham. Jesus. That guy is indescribably idiotic.

Subuxone, reports the dude played fps games 8-12 hours a day, did obvious research on the Church hence the correlation of historic date...

and we're still going to be told it's a lone wolf. Even though we know the Boston Bombers were influenced by individuals on the net.

This young man is a victim of the MIC. From the poppy fields to the television set.

Sickening.

So your saying that all the violence we see on T.V, movies and games now have nothing at all to do with being a contributor? I am not trying to compare if we are "better" now, by the medicine, because of course we are especially with the diagnosis/medication available for people with mental illness'. I am simply stating from a MORAL perspective that society today is more at risk safety wise than say in the 50's and 60's.

I disagree with that as well. our crime rates are lower than in decades. One reason people give is more meds for mental illness. Another is that lead is no longer an issue like it once was, with it removed from gasoline and paint. Even the romans knew it could make you crazy.
Now, if you want to talk priorities with funding, thats something to discuss. We can afford to outspend the rest of the world military wise, but we cant afford better education? Health care, including for mental illness?

You must also take into account that decades ago they didn't have access to 'the bad stuff' like we do now.

Every offensive image, video, story, etc at the tip of our fingertips. Back in the day you had to work for it.

Completely agree on all counts. That's the socio-economic overwrap/undercurrent at play. Especially in Baltimore. You saw John Angelos' incredible comments I'm sure..

On the shooting side, whether it's mental illness (Sandy Hook), racial overtone (this horrific mess in South Carolina), socially disengaged (Columbine) or economic/familial distress (workplace shootings anywhere), there are bigger root causes at play far beyond the gun control part of the equation.

(And when have I ever not assuaged your testiness?)

I do think tho that we as a nation need to start looking to our selves more, and the rest of the world a bit less. We have serious issues at home to take care of, and politicians who worry more about the next election than they do about doing their job they were elected to do...and people wanting to do overseas what they say we haven't got the money to do here. We have people either denying or exploiting the various problems we have to face and, more importantly, fix.

And now I read this:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ime_still.html


Yeah, thanks for speaking up in time to...oh, I don't know.....keep it from happening.