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largo1 05-02-2015 10:34 PM

Boring Derby??
 
Maybe it's just me but I found this year's Derby incredibly boring. I'm glad everyone had a clean and safe trip though. For about 3 seconds I thought we were going to have a showdown between AP and Firing Line. I like AP and thought he ran a fine race but the overall experience for me this year was just "meh".:eek:

wac 05-02-2015 11:01 PM

Agreed, same 3 all the way around and not very fast but way it goes

tector 05-03-2015 12:46 AM

When the best horses in a race are all tactical speed types, there is no cheap speed,so the pace is not pressed, you are going to get a chalk-fest like today's Derby. It was extremely formful, and might as well have been a 5 horse stakes race like Santa Anita and Belmont grind out with regularity now. The rest of the horses were window dressing and most never had a realistic opportunity to be involved.

richard burch 05-03-2015 01:07 AM

seemed like a pretty good race to me. ...a win is a win!!!!!:):):):)

luv2gambl 05-03-2015 04:36 AM

I heard discussed a lot this week that point system may have something to do with this. It keeps all the sprint types who may have qualified previously on earnings from being in the field. In past years they were the ones who helped push the early fractions. Not saying its a bad thing but I definitely think its a good observation that played out yesterday.

Benny 05-03-2015 06:39 AM

Due to the TVG adw blackout of track feed, i had to watch NBCS. BORING,
Never saw paddock, post parade, etc. took me out of it.

Santa Anita redux derby, only Frosting came too late.

Thanks to ATR, i learned of Tepins workot w/ the Malibu horse and made my day.

DonGuido 05-03-2015 08:04 AM

I must have been watching a different Derby. But then again the tri I picked, came in and $200 on AP was not too bad either. It wasn't chalky (not my problem the betting public saw it right) since down the stretch any three of the top three could have won it but the best and most talented horse did, much to my liking (bet or not bet) . . . because that doesn't always happen either.

BTW, not in any particular order after the tri, the top six horses in the race I picked showed up as the top six in the race. And that rarely if ever happens for me.

Those not on the AP bandwagon yet will just have to join in later or stand on the sidelines and watch the parade go by. I have reserved enthusiasm right now. We'll see.

Arletta 05-03-2015 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1025436)
I must have been watching a different Derby. But then again the tri I picked, came in and $200 on AP was not too bad either. It wasn't chalky (not my problem the betting public saw it right) since down the stretch any three of the top three could have won it but the best and most talented horse did, much to my liking (bet or not bet) . . . because that doesn't always happen either.

BTW, not in any particular order after the tri, the top six horses in the race I picked showed up as the top six in the race. And that rarely if ever happens for me.

Those not on the AP bandwagon yet will just have to join in later or stand on the sidelines and watch the parade go by. I have reserved enthusiasm right now. We'll see.

Nice redboard.. Congrats.

largo1 05-03-2015 10:04 AM

I also hated NBC's coverage of the Derby. Can we lose all the BS with the ice skaters PLEASE???? I'd like to hear more about the horses and the owners, trainers and jocks. As soon as the race was over NBC went right to golf. No analysis of the race, no information about how the other finishers fared. I didn't even see them talk to the winning owner but I may have missed that.

ElPrado 05-03-2015 10:12 AM

And for God's sake, shut up about the hats.

knickslions2 05-03-2015 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1025436)
I must have been watching a different Derby. But then again the tri I picked, came in and $200 on AP was not too bad either. It wasn't chalky (not my problem the betting public saw it right) since down the stretch any three of the top three could have won it but the best and most talented horse did, much to my liking (bet or not bet) . . . because that doesn't always happen either.

BTW, not in any particular order after the tri, the top six horses in the race I picked showed up as the top six in the race. And that rarely if ever happens for me.

Those not on the AP bandwagon yet will just have to join in later or stand on the sidelines and watch the parade go by. I have reserved enthusiasm right now. We'll see.

Thanks for the laugh!! This may be the post of the year.

DonGuido 05-03-2015 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1025470)
Thanks for the laugh!! This may be the post of the year.

I'll take my trophy now, thank you!!!

my miss storm cat 05-03-2015 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by largo1 (Post 1025408)
but the overall experience for me this year was just "meh".:eek:

Not sure if you mean the race itself, the experience leading up to the Derby, the God-awful and unwatchable coverage or what BUT it is unfathomable to me to use the words Derby and boring in the same sentence, period.

jms62 05-03-2015 01:08 PM

The scratch of Stanford was the key to the race. He was definitely going to gun and it was a question of which of the Baffert's would engage. As it was all other horses decided to change tactics that got them to the derby and not get involved in what should have been a strong pace. As it was the race ran like a Euro Turf race with the top 3 not really testing each other until the Sprint for home. The duel down the stretch was anything but boring.

largo1 05-03-2015 01:25 PM

For some reason, this year I didn't have a clear cut favorite horse. Several of my early faves were taken off the trail early on. I just wasn't as excited about the Derby this year and the lame coverage did nothing to increase my enthusiasm. I was happy to see BB back in the winner's circle though, just like old times!! I had Frosted but I wasn't even very excited about him. I was truly appalled by the coverage though.

helicopter11 05-03-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1025436)
I must have been watching a different Derby. But then again the tri I picked, came in and $200 on AP was not too bad either. It wasn't chalky (not my problem the betting public saw it right) since down the stretch any three of the top three could have won it but the best and most talented horse did, much to my liking (bet or not bet) . . . because that doesn't always happen either.

BTW, not in any particular order after the tri, the top six horses in the race I picked showed up as the top six in the race. And that rarely if ever happens for me.

Those not on the AP bandwagon yet will just have to join in later or stand on the sidelines and watch the parade go by. I have reserved enthusiasm right now. We'll see.

That was a tough horse to pick. What made you think AP was going to win it? I didnt hear anyone talking about this horse winning the derby.
Nice Score! Share your secrets for the preakness (and other races) next time.

jms62 05-03-2015 01:33 PM

I have an idea next year for all those that hated the coverage. I do it all the time. I watch the non Churchill races I want to bet on my ADW and go downstairs to watch the Derby Day races at 1 minute to post on the big screen. All I watch of the coverage is the load and the race. If no races I am interested are running I'll watch a ball game until scheduled post time and change the channel. Life is way too short to torture yourself with something that you can't stand doing.

largo1 05-03-2015 01:42 PM

I have greatly enjoyed the coverage in the past, just not this year. I enjoy watching the vignettes about each horse and owner/trainer/jockey. I know some people don't like that 'fluff" but I want to hear about, and see the horses.I don't know why 2 ice skaters have to play such a big role on Derby Day. In the past the "hoopla" as we call it has been really entertaining to watch. I don't want to turn on the race i minute before post. I want to be entertained.

DonGuido 05-03-2015 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1025484)
That was a tough horse to pick. What made you think AP was going to win it? I didnt hear anyone talking about this horse winning the derby.
Nice Score! Share your secrets for the preakness (and other races) next time.

Yep, the favorite always wins the Derby. I don't listen to the "experts", the "analysts" and don't care what they say. I learned that I long time ago. I handicap and pick horses the same for any race, Derby or a 10K claiming. There ya go, my secret is out. :eek::D

helicopter11 05-03-2015 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1025485)
I have an idea next year for all those that hated the coverage. I do it all the time. I watch the non Churchill races I want to bet on my ADW and go downstairs to watch the Derby Day races at 1 minute to post on the big screen. All I watch of the coverage is the load and the race. If no races I am interested are running I'll watch a ball game until scheduled post time and change the channel. Life is way too short to torture yourself with something that you can't stand doing.

Thats a good way to do it. I enjoy Jerry Bailey and Randy Moss but the rest is filler garbage. Especially having those two ice skaters hosting the event (knowing nothing about the sport) is quite nauseating. Its almost as if NBC is mocking the sport have those two on camera.

helicopter11 05-03-2015 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1025490)
Yep, the favorite always wins the Derby. I don't listen to the "experts", the "analysts" and don't care what they say. I learned that I long time ago. I handicap and pick horses the same for any race, Derby or a 10K claiming. There ya go, my secret is out. :eek::D

Yep that statement above welcomes people like you to bet every day. Thanks for contributing to the pools.

JJP 05-03-2015 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1025490)
Yep, the favorite always wins the Derby. I don't listen to the "experts", the "analysts" and don't care what they say. I learned that I long time ago. I handicap and pick horses the same for any race, Derby or a 10K claiming. There ya go, my secret is out. :eek::D

Never mind that in the decades of the 80s & 90s, not one favorite won.

Danzig 05-03-2015 03:39 PM

I have only one complaint regarding the race.
I don't know who that dipshit couple was (he had a rose hat) but they need never appear again.

Thought the finish was good, I like having horses together with the finish coming up.

Sightseek 05-03-2015 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by largo1 (Post 1025487)
I have greatly enjoyed the coverage in the past, just not this year. I enjoy watching the vignettes about each horse and owner/trainer/jockey. I know some people don't like that 'fluff" but I want to hear about, and see the horses.I don't know why 2 ice skaters have to play such a big role on Derby Day. In the past the "hoopla" as we call it has been really entertaining to watch. I don't want to turn on the race i minute before post. I want to be entertained.

I watched a complete broadcast of the Derby from the 80's on Youtube a few weeks ago and it was so much more enjoyable.

somerfrost 05-03-2015 03:55 PM

Come on folks, it's the Derby...I hear the same old tired complaints every year. Look, TV networks are successful by playing to their audience, how much of their audience is made up of hard core horse players? I suspect that the majority of those who were at CD yesterday attend once a year and the TV audience...many don't know which end of the horse goes into the gate first. They tune in for entertainment...the same folks who enjoy shows like Fashion Police and Entertainment Tonight, do you think they are interested in handicapping insights? Sure inane puff pieces by figure skaters and focus on hats and drinks drives us crazy but it's what the TV audience at large wants...grin and bare it!:o

jms62 05-03-2015 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1025512)
Come on folks, it's the Derby...I hear the same old tired complaints every year. Look, TV networks are successful by playing to their audience, how much of their audience is made up of hard core horse players? I suspect that the majority of those who were at CD yesterday attend once a year and the TV audience...many don't know which end of the horse goes into the gate first. They tune in for entertainment...the same folks who enjoy shows like Fashion Police and Entertainment Tonight, do you think they are interested in handicapping insights? Sure inane puff pieces by figure skaters and focus on hats and drinks drives us crazy but it's what the TV audience at large wants...grin and bare it!:o

EGG-ZACH-LEE :tro:

GenuineRisk 05-03-2015 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1025512)
...grin and bare it!:o

I was unaware there was any baring going on at the Derby. Are you sure you're not thinking of the Preakness? ;)


ateamstupid 05-03-2015 04:25 PM

I thought the coverage was great. We beg for racing to get national coverage and then do nothing but bitch when we get it. Yeah there was some vacuous crap, but there was also plenty of nuts and bolts coverage and plenty of well-produced drama.

As for the Derby itself, yes, it was boring as hell. Merry-go-round with nobody getting involved from the back. Whether you won or lost, that was not an exciting race other than the brief battle between Firing Line and AP.

pointman 05-03-2015 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1025527)
I thought the coverage was great. We beg for racing to get national coverage and then do nothing but bitch when we get it. Yeah there was some vacuous crap, but there was also plenty of nuts and bolts coverage and plenty of well-produced drama.

As for the Derby itself, yes, it was boring as hell. Merry-go-round with nobody getting involved from the back. Whether you won or lost, that was not an exciting race other than the brief battle between Firing Line and AP.

I mostly agree Joey, but Johnny Weir dressed as Foghorn Leghorn was a bit too much for me.

ateamstupid 05-03-2015 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1025532)
I mostly agree Joey, but Johnny Weir dressed as Foghorn Leghorn was a bit too much for me.

LOL. Ideally they wouldn't have a recurring role on the broadcast, but I don't know how anyone can say they "hated" NBC's coverage.

TheSpyder 05-03-2015 05:02 PM

and why not some coverage and interviews of the infield. Come on people, I've been five times and if that's not entertainment, I don't know what is..
......from what I could remember.

I mean is it too politically incorrect to show a bunch of smashed people having a great spring time experience?

Are you people not born from the Beulah thread?

If they're so scared to go in, send a drone over the crowd. Capital FUN.

I mean really...

Danzig 05-03-2015 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1025512)
Come on folks, it's the Derby...I hear the same old tired complaints every year. Look, TV networks are successful by playing to their audience, how much of their audience is made up of hard core horse players? I suspect that the majority of those who were at CD yesterday attend once a year and the TV audience...many don't know which end of the horse goes into the gate first. They tune in for entertainment...the same folks who enjoy shows like Fashion Police and Entertainment Tonight, do you think they are interested in handicapping insights? Sure inane puff pieces by figure skaters and focus on hats and drinks drives us crazy but it's what the TV audience at large wants...grin and bare it!:o

I refuse to accept that I cannot complain about them trying to cater to the survivor/honeybooboo/dancing with the stars/fashion police crowd.

my miss storm cat 05-03-2015 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1025512)
Come on folks, it's the Derby...I hear the same old tired complaints every year. Look, TV networks are successful by playing to their audience, how much of their audience is made up of hard core horse players? I suspect that the majority of those who were at CD yesterday attend once a year and the TV audience...many don't know which end of the horse goes into the gate first. They tune in for entertainment...the same folks who enjoy shows like Fashion Police and Entertainment Tonight, do you think they are interested in handicapping insights? Sure inane puff pieces by figure skaters and focus on hats and drinks drives us crazy but it's what the TV audience at large wants...grin and bare it!:o

No, I cannot agree with you at all.

If you want change you have to be vocal and if something that could be vastly improved never is one can at least bitch about it.

There is no excuse.

I cringed when I read however far back it was that NBC had secured the rights to the broadcast for X number of years, how ever many it was.

My friends who are not in to horse racing at all thought it was the most inane waste of time...

A beautiful thrilling and historic sport deserves better. I'll bet you one day, when NBC is done with it, some other network invests the time and resources and does it right.

This is just silly, pointless fluff and it is maddening to try to defend such a unique and riveting sport.

Sorry, makes me sick. I will not keep my mouth shut.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1025547)
I refuse to accept that I cannot complain about them trying to cater to the survivor/honeybooboo/dancing with the stars/fashion police crowd.

Right!

ElPrado 05-03-2015 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1025508)
I have only one complaint regarding the race.
I don't know who that dipshit couple was (he had a rose hat) but they need never appear again.

Thought the finish was good, I like having horses together with the finish coming up.

That was Johnny Weir again. NBC needed to find something to pay them for.

Benny 05-03-2015 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 1025568)
No, I cannot agree with you at all.

If you want change you have to be vocal and if something that could be vastly improved never is one can at least bitch about it.

There is no excuse.

I cringed when I read however far back it was that NBC had secured the rights to the broadcast for X number of years, how ever many it was.

My friends who are not in to horse racing at all thought it was the most inane waste of time...

A beautiful thrilling and historic sport deserves better. I'll bet you one day, when NBC is done with it, some other network invests the time and resources and does it right.

This is just silly, pointless fluff and it is maddening to try to defend such a unique and riveting sport.

Sorry, makes me sick. I will not keep my mouth shut.



Right!

HERE, HERE - dog and pony shows do not shed light positively on the sport,but offer the lowest common denominator of catering .o the whims of the morons . This wouldnot have been a big deal as i normally mute it except for the races, BUT, TVG SUCKS. and had no video of te races,so i had to pay more attention to the tv.to seethe races i bet onand they fit in the other races amongst the fluff pieces without much builup , hEnce my negative expErience.

Danzig 05-03-2015 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElPrado (Post 1025588)
That was Johnny Weir again. NBC needed to find something to pay them for.

Can they pay him to go away?
she seemed ok, but i could not care less who people on facebook or twits think will win.

Merlinsky 05-03-2015 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 1025568)
No, I cannot agree with you at all.

If you want change you have to be vocal and if something that could be vastly improved never is one can at least bitch about it.

There is no excuse.

I cringed when I read however far back it was that NBC had secured the rights to the broadcast for X number of years, how ever many it was.

My friends who are not in to horse racing at all thought it was the most inane waste of time...

A beautiful thrilling and historic sport deserves better. I'll bet you one day, when NBC is done with it, some other network invests the time and resources and does it right.

This is just silly, pointless fluff and it is maddening to try to defend such a unique and riveting sport.

Sorry, makes me sick. I will not keep my mouth shut.



Right!

Oh a great deal about it was ridiculous, but it just got the highest ratings since 1992. Apparently whatever they're doing works. I get complaining about just focusing on spectacle, but people love their sound and fury, don't they? Personally I wish they'd covered some of the stories we'd heard about in the other areas of the media. Dortmund's breeder's story that I posted earlier was making the rounds and yet the most you get from the tv coverage is 'wow what a big horse,' an interview with Kaleem Shah, and asking Baffert about having 2 top horses. Nice and all, but not taking advantage of a perfectly good excuse to bawl like a baby.

Danzig 05-04-2015 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 1025633)
Oh a great deal about it was ridiculous, but it just got the highest ratings since 1992. Apparently whatever they're doing works. I get complaining about just focusing on spectacle, but people love their sound and fury, don't they? Personally I wish they'd covered some of the stories we'd heard about in the other areas of the media. Dortmund's breeder's story that I posted earlier was making the rounds and yet the most you get from the tv coverage is 'wow what a big horse,' an interview with Kaleem Shah, and asking Baffert about having 2 top horses. Nice and all, but not taking advantage of a perfectly good excuse to bawl like a baby.

I would like to think more people watched because they heard that we had a really good field this year.

Dunbar 05-04-2015 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1025532)
I mostly agree Joey, but Johnny Weir dressed as Foghorn Leghorn was a bit too much for me.

Heck, I'm sorry I missed that. Seriously. Foghorn Leghorn has always been a big overlay among Looney Tune characters, in my book. But talk about a deep field...

--Dunbar

LARHAGE 05-04-2015 09:27 AM

This is why I record the show, I watch a couple of other recorded shows and than go back to watch the Derby and all the undercard races so I can fast forward through all the redundant commercials and the crap like those stupid ice skaters, I just don't answer any calls or texts so I don't know who won the race.


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