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...because that was absolutely stealing to get 5-2 on Scat Daddy. How could the public bet a maiden winner by Albert the Great to 8-5 favoritism over him? :eek: Somedays its just that easy....

Lukas' horse had no excuse after walking on an easy lead...I'm sure they'll still run him in the Breeders' Cup knowing that outfit, but he'll only set the pace to the far turn....he's a sprinter...Nobiz is nice and has a future...he just got beat by the best 2-year-old in the country yesterday...

BTW, Scat Daddy got a 93 Beyer Speed Figure for that performance, which was still not close to his best run IMO....never really laid it down in the stretch and was still showing immense greeness...I believe he'll even run better around two-turns in Louisville....

Hope you had that exacta. I wish that I would have bet yesterday because I would have definitely had it. Scat Daddy was the class of the field and I couldn't believe that price on him. I'm on his bandwagon for the Juvy, but look for Nobiz Like Shobiz to improve off of that start. Two incredibly game and talented animals. I look for both of them to run big in the Juvy.

I don't know about stealing Joel. With a better trip for No Biz you are a loser. Hardly a dominating performance.

It was stealing. No other way to discribe it.

Scat Daddy didn't even run his best and he still powered by Nobiz withy little effort....Scat is still very green and they're not close to the bottom of him yet IMO...I agree the other horse is talented (especially for his pedigree) and has a bright future, but the best horse won yesterday...

Couldn't agree more, Scat Daddy was my single in the national pick 4, which I ended up cashing, so I have no complaints for the day. No Biz is a good animal, but a 2 yr old maiden winner from Albert does not inspire much confidence from me...ESPECIALLY at 8-5. I actually liken it to the Belmont in 2003 when Empire Maker was a straight 2-1. Easiest money I ever made right there...

Yeah, I remmeber that...funny stuff because I thought the same thing at the time just like a thought yesterday.....sometimes you just know the public is on the wrong horses and it can't make you smile and wider :D

Hell, for a minute I thought we migt get 3-1 on him (although I knew the late money would push him down)...that would have been the overlay of the year for me...

5-2 was very generous.......what do you project his BCJ odds to be?? ill go 6-5

If Scat Daddy goes off at 6-5.....I'll make a mint on Circular Quay.

Sometimes, especially in NY, there is just such a tidal wave of sentiment for certain horses, and No Biz was the talk of all the wiseguys yesterday and the last few weeks. Not to knock him or Tagg, but I am not a buyer on this horse yet. Especially at a low price. Also reminds me of all the times Funny Cide or Evening Attire get hammered down in NY and the true runners have a bloated price...like taking candy from a baby, hence why I love this game.

I remember with about a minute or two to post on the 03 Belmont I was just doing jumping jacks calling in my bet for Empire Maker...

Does someone mind telling me what exactly was so green about Scat Daddy? From what I saw, Nobiz was the green one, looking at the grandstand for the final 1/8th of a mile. If you watch Cornelio, he's doing everything he can to get Nobiz to straighten out.. He threw the right rein at him and was pretty much leaning off the horse to the right side, while Scat Daddy seemed to be running in much more of a line.

I agree that Nobiz was an underlay, but if the odds are reversed at CD, I'd be inclined to take him over Scat Daddy, although I'm not wild about either for the BCJ win off the 3-week turnaround..

Green and havent reached the bottom yet. Isnt that a term used to relate to all the top 2yr olds. If you think about it he is running against other 2yr olds. Comparing 2yr olds by saying they are just learning to race is kinda like describing a 2yr old, most any 2yr old.

Its always easy in hindsight. The horse had a dream of a trip. He basically had the speed get out clean and kill themselves. Hardly the type of trip he had in his last. If you think thats easy money, your nuts. Too much can happen. If Lukas horse does not make that lead and push Sho biz, Scat Daddy would have been lookin at his rear.

Oh its so easy after the race is over.

Yes, 5/2 was a nice gift yesterday on him. Not sure how he will perform the Juve but he will be a nice horse. The two year old males are loaded this year. In fact, I would venture to say that we havent even seen the Derby winner race yet.

Circular Quay will take more money because he is a graded stakes winner at CD and he won the head-to-head against 'Scat'....Scat Daddy will be the second choice at around 3-1 if I had to guess on the information I currently have....depends on the number of entrants really....

You're exactly right....I capitalized on all three of those false favorites too....good stuff....

Scat Daddy was all over the place when he amde the lead...he basically pulled himself up....go back and watch the replay...when he goes by NLS he ****s his head and starts goofing off....his ears started flicking around and he was jumping in and out between 2 or 3 paths....he was hardly running straight when he made the lead.....he was NOTICABLY green to me the last sixteenth of a mile....

I love how it blocked c o cks :D

There is a difference....i.e.: Watch Asmussen's and Werner's babies....they are so successful because they are more experienced and ready than other juveniles....there is a HUGE difference in what you are talking about and what I'm talking about....of course most will improve on the natural developemnet and physical maturity, but some are far faster than others mentally learning the game.....Scat Daddy has both the physical and mental upside to really improve into a much better horse....

The price was the easy part. not the fact he won the race....:rolleyes:

By the way, you might want to go back and watch the race....there was NO speed dual at all...you're a little confused evidentally...Lukas' horse had an easy lead through a crawling opening quarter in 24 and change and Nobiz was actually towarsd the rear early with Scat Daddy....Scat Daddy didn't have the greatest of trips either IMO, as he was wider and had a lot to do for a 2-year-old......NLS slipped through the inside and had first run and got the jump on Scat Daddy while saving more ground and he still couldn't put away Lukas' horse....the best horse ran over them both.....end of story...Nobiz had no excuses other than he got outrun by a better animal....

Hmmmm, a Tagg horse making his second start was beaten by about a length by a Pletcher horse making his thrid start.....and that is conclusive evidence that the winner is the " better animal "?

Yawn.

It will be interesting to see how Scat Daddy does when forced to run without a six week vacation between starts. He seems like a decent horse, though I can't help but be skeptical about his future ( anybody see Keyed Entry recently? ), but it feels far from evident which horse is the better between Scat Daddy and NoBiz but I would guess NoBiz is a shorter price to win next year's Derby at this point.

100% correct.

--Dunbar

Yeah Keyed Entry runs about as much as Commentator does......:rolleyes:

Scat Daddy will improve going two-turns IMO....maybe not 1 1/4 miles, but he'll love the BC Juvy distance.....and yes, I believe that he is a better animal than anything Albert the Great can produce....

By the way, Scat Daddy was making his fourth start....and that length margin could have further more than it could have been closer IMO.....he was greener than baby shiat the last sixteenth and basically put away NLS, who was struggling to put away Lukas' horse I might add, while only goofing around...

Don't tell me you took 8-5 on that thing???....Ah man, I would hope your a better horse player than that, Andy....:D

Actually Senor Redboarder I bet Pegasus Wind because he was the true overlay in the race.

You really are the Yogi Berra of analogies, by the way, as that comparison between Keyed Entry and Commentator is somewhere between baffling and moronic.

Yeah, because Commentator runs so much and is SOOOO sound, isn't he? :rolleyes: I know hat you meant....everyone on this board knows you think Pletcher breaks down all of his horses....its public knowledge, just like we know you think Zito is a horse whisperer...

By the way, Pegasus Wind was a horrible play....got an easy lead and still croaked.....how could you lose that race after walking by yourself on the lead??? An overlay:eek: ...hardly....he isn't on the same planet with Scat Daddy on talent....I've seen them both train extensively...

Plus, Lukas isn't allowed to win big races anymore, is he? :D

Poor Albert the Great, he cant help that hes a brutal sire.

You are too much into times. The front two got busy with each other in the middle of the race and wore each other out. You are telling me Scat Daddy beats shobiz with no Pegasus? Shobiz would have run away. Same horse runs a 1:35 with no company and does just that. These two year olds get very worn with company. Scat Daddy had as easy a run as its gonna get with that size field. I will agree however Scat Daddy was screwing around. Dont matter. Come Derby time, they will be memories. I would never bet that horse at 5-2 in that field. He was the best horse, but I never make that bet.

Nobiz was a complete throwout imo and I stated so BEFORE the race. He actually performed much better than I thought. Pegasus really lengthened and was a great bet at those numbers.

Pedigree 101:

The sire provides the brilliance and the dam provides the stamina on most occasions. His dam is heavy in stamina breeding and performance and there are Grade 1 winners around two turns in the second and third dam....

Plus, if I remember correctly Johannesburg won the BC Juvy at 1 1/16 miles and that is all I said about Scat Daddy...I admit that I'm skeptical about him getting Classic distances...I've said that many times already.....

Brilliance...

Thats good catchall horsey talk.

Yeah, I'm saying Scat Daddy beats NLS no matter what Pegasus Wind does...

And I say you are wrong.

Few things..

I find this very hard to believe. The public bets mainly based on BSFs and Circular Quay has ONE over 90. Scat Daddy has three. I'm guessing he's the shorter price, probably around 2:1, with CQ at about 3:1 and Nobiz in between the two.

So let me get this straight. This horse is making his fourth career start, and it's a POSITIVE that he's STILL "greener than baby shiat"? First of all, I disagree entirely, NLS was the much greener one, and second of all, even if you're correct, I find it pretty strange that a horse making his fourth career start and still being "greener than baby shiat" three weeks before the BC is a positive thing to you.

And finally..

LMAO.

Just explaining how I believe pedigree to affect a horse's distance capabilities, man....sorry you couldn't take it....the firt thing I learned was the very rule of thumb you obviously don't believe in.... no big deal, its all good...:)

Wow, Joel, that's a really sad post and inaccurate post.

Commentator is a laimo, no doubt, as he didn't get to the races until August of his three year old year, whereupon he strung up five consecutive victories before sustaining an injury most likely during the Hal's Hope at Gulfstream. Following that he returned six months later and strung up two consecutive 120 plus Beyer figures including a defeat of Saint Liam in the Whitney at Saratoga. He was then injured in his next, and ninth start, in the Woodward. He returned ten months later to win an allowance at Belmont before his effort ( or non-effort ) in the Vosburgh. No doubt he has his share of physical problems, but he showed solid ability from the start and at least has been able to show it with a consistency even during his spotty career.

Now Keyed Entry...ran once at 2 and won a slow race at Monmouth. He then returned six months later at Gulfstream where he exploded with a victory and improved his Beyer 35 points from his debut. He followed that up by outfooting multiple Grade 1 winning First Samurai and increased his Beyer figure another 14 points. He followed this sudden improvement with two solid, if less than spectacular efforts when stretching out only to be virtually eased in the KY Derby. He showed up another two months later in the Dwyer only to essentially be eased again. Exploded on the scene with two dynamic races, tailed off, disappeared.

Perhaps you see a correlation between the two but to me if feels like two very different situations. But, your poor analysis doesn't stop there, as you then claim that I think " Pletcher breaks down all his horses ". It is here where you turn into a scumbag and not just an inaccurate analyst. Be very clear here, Joel, it is you that turned this into a fight by making outrageous and false claims about me. What I have said here on a number of occasions is that many horses from Todd's barn flash a lot of ability but fail to sustain these improvements and often pretty much disappear from the scene. This is not claiming he " breaks down " any or " all of his horses " but that he doesn't have a long resume of sustained improvement in horses. There is a substantial difference between these two things whether they fit your deranged againda or not.

As for my supposed claims about Nick Zito....huh? He's my friend, that's something I have never hidden, but sorry if I can't recall the posts where I claimed he was " a horse whisperer ". Feel free to find them but mostly I have just said I root for him. I do think he's a good trainer, hell his record certainly indicates that, just as I have stated on many occasions that I think Todd Pletcher is a terrific trainer ( how could anybody not think that ) but they certainly have different styles.

I never claimed that Pegusus Wind ran a great race but if you think he was a horrible play, at 21-1, after that race then you know absolutely nothing about betting on horse races. If the reasons for this aren't self-evident then there is nothing anyone can do to explain it to you.

So, I posted that I disagreed with you about the perspective futures of NoBiz and Scat Daddy and you very quickly turned this into a fight where you libelled me by making false claims about me as well as inaccurately assessed a number of my comments in a further desperate attempt for a fight.

Get a grip on yourself dude.

cool..............

Just go shoot yourself, man.....you are miserable.....

Oh, and a 'good play' is finding a horse who wins at 21-1, not a horse with no chance.....how rewarding was that third-place finish? How much did it pay, Focker?

You could have just apologized.