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Danzig 01-29-2015 12:10 PM

measles outbreak
 
this is so absurd. measles was considered 'eradicated' in the us back in 2000.
in other countries, kids die because there are no vaccines. here, kids get sick and some die because their parents are idiots.

http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci...grows-95-cases


the 'doctor' that the graduate of the 'university of google', jenny mcarthy likes to cite-his paper and his 'study' were completely discredited.

GenuineRisk 01-31-2015 01:36 PM

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com

Danzig 01-31-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1014271)

:D
:tro:

Gaelic Storm 01-31-2015 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1014271)

As a father of a little girl with autism I was about to get very angry. Now I am laughing. Good job.

GenuineRisk 02-02-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaelic Storm (Post 1014333)
As a father of a little girl with autism I was about to get very angry. Now I am laughing. Good job.

:)
That's one of my favorite web pages.

Lately a statement Roald Dahl made in 1988, two years before he died, about the death of his daughter from measles in the early 1960s, has been making the rounds:

http://www.roalddahlfans.com/articles/meas.php

I wish I believed in hell, because it would be comforting to know there would a place waiting for "Dr." Andrew Wakefield.

Crown@club 02-03-2015 10:47 AM

Been waiting for a cancer vaccine, but once we get it, how many would refuse to take it?

30%? 40%? 50%?

Pants II 02-03-2015 11:22 AM

I don't understand the feigned outrage from someone who is o.k. with abortion in pretty much any circumstance.

It just screams of pure idiocy to me...but I digress. Majority of liberals are overbearing extreme idiots who wish people would burn in hell.

Even though they're atheist scum. Stupid know-it-alls who want to control people no different than the imaginary conservative side they hate.

I'm absolutely fed up with control freaks. If people don't want their kids vaccinated it isn't any of your god-damned business. Blame it on your weak genetics if you get sick.

It's not like you morons appreciate life to begin with. Don't act like you do now.

Pants II 02-03-2015 11:27 AM

Speaking of forcing people into something they don't want...

how about the school lunches and how they aren't fit for a dog?

Perfect storm for you scientific know-it-all libtards. What happens when malnourished children congregate together?

That's right. Disease. Don't act like you care. You elected the idiot twice.

Danzig 02-03-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 1014559)
Been waiting for a cancer vaccine, but once we get it, how many would refuse to take it?

30%? 40%? 50%?

if they came out with one, i'd be in line for it.
too bad people don't know their history and don't realize what it used to be like before vaccines.

dellinger63 02-03-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 1014559)
Been waiting for a cancer vaccine, but once we get it, how many would refuse to take it?

30%? 40%? 50%?

Don't know but I'm sure it will be higher among men. And sorry but here comes a venting.

Had a good friend who for some time was ignoring symptoms of colon troubles, blood in stools, intermittent pain, only when he finally went in to the ER a colonoscopy revealed colon cancer however because of his colon's condition it had leaked causing sepsis putting a strain on his kidneys and liver.

He got over the sepsis or so they thought and started chemo to treat the colon cancer. His body immediately rejected the chemo, his kidneys stopped working and he suffered irreparable liver damage. His best outcome at that time was to get the kidneys working enough to allow chemo in an attempt to rid himself of cancer only to get on a liver transplant list.

It didn't work and two weeks ago to this day he was moved home and given one to two months to live. Perhaps for the best he lasted only two days, one taking visitors and the last day sleeping. He was only 46 and was one of those great guys you luckily meet from time to time. His nickname 'EZ' said it all.

Ladies and gentlemen especially the latter, visit a Dr. when you know something is wrong and take no day for granted.

RIP Eric 'EZ' Cowley


Rudeboyelvis 02-03-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 1014559)
Been waiting for a cancer vaccine, but once we get it, how many would refuse to take it?

30%? 40%? 50%?

"I'll make my decision on vaccinations after I find out where Carmen Elektra stands"
~@EliBraden tweet

:p

GenuineRisk 02-03-2015 09:45 PM

Dell, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. That stinks.

F*ck cancer.

dellinger63 02-04-2015 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1014591)
Dell, I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. That stinks.

F*ck cancer.

Thanks Nicole, I think one of the hardest things was him writing on his own facebook page that Dr.'s had just told him he had 1 to 2 months to live and he was headed home to plan his funeral and get his financials in order. He ended with only 'unbelievable'.

When I saw him the day he got home it was apparent it was going to be days and not months. At least he got to spend his last two days on earth at home, looking out at the forest that served as his backyard, surrounded by family and friends including his best friend Lulu, his dog, who he hadn't seen in 6 weeks. And somehow it felt more like a coming home party rather than funeral or wake.

He did somehow die with a smile on his face and it was apparent he was at peace on his last day. But that wasn't surprising considering it was Captain EZ!

GenuineRisk 02-04-2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 1014605)
When I saw him the day he got home it was apparent it was going to be days and not months. At least he got to spend his last two days on earth at home, looking out at the forest that served as his backyard, surrounded by family and friends including his best friend Lulu, his dog, who he hadn't seen in 6 weeks. And somehow it felt more like a coming home party rather than funeral or wake

I'm glad he was able to leave this world surrounded by those who loved him. I think it's the best gift we can give people we love as they leave us- knowing they were loved while they were here. An aunt of mine died in '08 from breast cancer and when I visited her for the last time, she told me how the hospice worker, after yet another day filled with friends coming to visit her, commented, "Well, this is unusual. Usually they don't all show up until after you're gone."

(Off topic, but props to hospice. Our family is still friends with the hospice worker who worked with my mom, and that was over 30 years ago)

Pants II 02-04-2015 09:25 AM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...ou-202085.html

Rand Paul troll'd a senior editor of The Daily Beast.

Excellent work, Rand. These people are control freak lunatics. That boy for the Daily Beast should be beaten until he shuts up or at least learns that he is a beta male and that he isn't allowed to act like he can whoop anyone's ass.

And the funniest part about all of this is that a stunning percentage of anti-vaccine people are hardcore hipsters/liberals. I love it.

Eat your own. Nothing new under the sun.

I'd mention open borders being a contributing factor but that would be racist and if I said it on twitter I'd get death threats.

Totalitarians disguised as liberals.

OldDog 02-04-2015 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1014613)
And the funniest part about all of this is that a stunning percentage of anti-vaccine people are hardcore hipsters/liberals.

Science deniers!

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/02/0...ndated-by-law/

How can they argue with settled science?

Pants II 02-04-2015 05:07 PM

most schools require vaccines.

this is just totalitarian fear mongering from those that love being controlled.

What's most amusing is these progressives and their feigned outrage. Like in the grand scheme of things they want children to live.

Sure.

:rolleyes:

bigrun 02-04-2015 05:30 PM


Danzig 02-04-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 1014637)
The none of your "god-damned business" argument does not always cut it.

I happened to come across a well-reasoned portion of John Podhoretz' nationally syndicated column, with which I agree:

"The diseases for which we immunize babies and toddlers are airborne or communicated by casual contact.

Now, it’s true that keeping a proper balance between the rights of individuals and families in the private sphere and the obligations placed upon us as parts of a national whole is a core issue in a self-governing society like the United States.

The problem is that vaccination is the worst possible issue to stake a claim for the private sphere, because the only way societies can stamp out infectious diseases for which vaccines have been discovered is to insist that everybody get them.

This is the concept of “herd immunity”: No vaccine offers perfect protection, but if everyone is vaccinated, the few isolated cases won’t spread — and all cases will become exceedingly rare.

Thus, your supposed “right” not to vaccinate your child actually impinges on my child’s right to the promise in the Declaration of Independence of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

If my infant hasn’t yet been immunized and gets measles or mumps or whooping cough from your toddler, whom you chose not to immunize, he has been placed at unnecessary risk of loss of life.

You’d only choose not to immunize your child because you thought the risk to your child outweighed the possible good.

But in doing so, you’d be committing an act of thievery of a kind — stealing the herd immunity of others to secure the health of your child without doing a thing to extend it to others."

:tro:


And people freaking about ebola, and demanding a vaccine....while a once eliminated, far more easily apread disease makes a comeback.
one of my pet peeves has always been poor kids paying for their parents stupidity.
far, far better chance of a kid getting sick because of no vaccine than from getting a vaccine.

Rudeboyelvis 02-04-2015 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1014648)
most schools require vaccines.

this is just totalitarian fear mongering from those that love being controlled.

What's most amusing is these progressives and their feigned outrage. Like in the grand scheme of things they want children to live.

Sure.

:rolleyes:

Sometimes science is ....well...just plain science.
And sometimes everything isn't false flag.

And MOST times, the obvious is...well... the obvious.

Keep opening your borders, without quarantine, and blame hippies for the resurgence of your eradicated pox. Pffft.

Rudeboyelvis 02-04-2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1014658)
Sometimes science is ....well...just plain science.
And sometimes everything isn't false flag.

And MOST times, the obvious is...well... the obvious.

Keep opening your borders, without quarantine, and blame hippies for the resurgence of your eradicated pox. Pffft* -


*Not meant towards you, specifically, in a pejorative sense, but rather the nonsense that this plague, perpetrated by the likes of the Jenny McCarthy {et. al} Pseudo-scientists that *read something on the Internet that fits their own narrative* would have you believe

As a fortunate survivor of Scarlet Fever in the 1960's I couldn't be more thankful that a vaccine was found, and that we all benefit from real science that worked to the betterment of mankind. Nowadays, we'd be on pills for the rest of our lives to "treat" the "condition"

Pants II 02-05-2015 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1014658)
Sometimes science is ....well...just plain science.
And sometimes everything isn't false flag.

And MOST times, the obvious is...well... the obvious.

Keep opening your borders, without quarantine, and blame hippies for the resurgence of your eradicated pox. Pffft.

Yeah I know you're back in with the home team. Thanks for clarifying.

If the vaccine is so good then why did 6 who had the vaccine still get measles at Disneyland?

Government always knows best cause...science...science is never flawed

Make all vaccines mandatory so the weak can live.


Hail Caesar.

Question nothing

*bows*

Pants II 02-05-2015 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 1014709)
Describe your bunker.

It's not that. It's just I'm not going to be a p u s s y and open my legs every time the government and it's media outlets start spreading fear by doing what they always do...scaring you with the thought of your kid dying.

Especially when the enforcement you totalitarians are crying for has already proven to be flawed. Getting the vaccine isn't full-proof.

If science is...which seems to be the theme here...then uh. Yeah.

Whatever.

It's like you folks are saying vaccines saved humanity.

Danzig 02-05-2015 09:56 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/5-children-ill...191610364.html

now, i don't agree with those saying vaccines should be mandatory....but damn, why do people have to be so blase about their kids health? or worse than blase, they just refuse to listen to professionals. they'll listen to a playboy bunny, but not their doctor?
people worked hard to develop these vaccines, and they have saved god knows how many lives over the years. but now, for some reason, some think they're not necessary. that's too bad for their kids, and for others who come in contact who are too young, or have other issues that preclude them getting vaccines.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...efits/8094789/

seems many have forgotten or just ignore how things used to be....but hey, we can return to those good old days and then they'll understand. won't that be fun?
my mother once told me she'd have liked to live during the antebellum days. i told her she was nuts. people who know i love history ask all the time when i wish i'd lived. now. now is good. i can read about all those 'good old days' while enjoying electricity, running water, refrigeration, air conditioning, and modern medicine.

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 12:36 PM

I do think vaccines should be mandatory, because there are a small number of kids and adults who truly can't get them, due to leukemia or severe allergies or immune deficiencies. I think those kids deserve a chance to have as active a life as possible, and it's my responsibility as someone with a functioning immune system, and as a parent of a healthy kid with a functioning immune system, to do my part to protect those who were not so lucky so they can go play in the park without worrying they're going home with measles.

I mean, I'm perfectly healthy, but society has determined it's a health hazard if I decide to take a dump on the sidewalk, and yet somehow I don't feel my freedom has been impinged on.

Now, making them mandatory means they also need to be free and readily accessible.

Also more public restrooms.

Elizabeth Warren asks questions that explain it simply:
http://wonkette.com/575863/elizabeth...ocking-answers

dellinger63 02-11-2015 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1015466)

Now, making them mandatory means they also need to be free and readily accessible.

Nothing is free!

You mean I and others should pay to vaccinate kids even though I chose to have none.

Why not heavily fine the parents of kids who come down with measles and use that money to provide the 'free' service and leave me and others in the same situation the f@#k out of it.

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 1015469)
Nothing is free!

You mean I and others should pay to vaccinate kids even though I chose to have none.

Why not heavily fine the parents of kids who come down with measles and use that money to provide the 'free' service and leave me and others in the same situation the f@#k out of it.

Of course we should pay for it. We're a community, and that means we take care of each other. Jesus, what happened to a sense of civic duty in this country? Typical right wing attitude: I got mine, f*ck the rest of you all.

That said, measles immunity can wear off, and you could go deaf if you contracted measles. Everyone around you with a healthy immune system being fully vaccinated is in your own self interest, too.

And Dell, you would get free vaccines, too, in this idyllic vaccination world I dream of. You do need booster shots throughout your life. In the case of shingles, with chicken pox on the decline, people aren't getting exposed to the wild variety as an unintended booster shot. So shingles is becoming less of an old person's disease (old people were prone to it because they didn't spend as much time around children as when they were parents themselves) and more a disease that anyone who has ever had chicken pox is at risk of getting at any point. I bet in the next decade or so health insurance will start covering shingles boosters for the under 50 crowd, too.

The thing with vaccination that people don't seem to grasp is that they do not work on every person (just as every antibiotic doesn't work on every person) but unlike an antibiotic, if the vaccine didn't take, you might not know until you actually get the disease. They do work for the vast majority of people, though, so the important part in getting absolutely everyone in a population (who is not immune compromised, of course) is that there end up being so few people who aren't protected (including those for whom the vaccine didn't take) that a disease can't find enough hosts to get a hold of the unprotected population. That's why the anti-vaccine parents don't understand why it's such a big deal; diseases have been unable to get a grasp into communities for so long that they just don't grasp how bad it can get.

Danzig 02-11-2015 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1015484)
Of course we should pay for it. We're a community, and that means we take care of each other. Jesus, what happened to a sense of civic duty in this country? Typical right wing attitude: I got mine, f*ck the rest of you all.

That said, measles immunity can wear off, and you could go deaf if you contracted measles. Everyone around you with a healthy immune system being fully vaccinated is in your own self interest, too.

And Dell, you would get free vaccines, too, in this idyllic vaccination world I dream of. You do need booster shots throughout your life. In the case of shingles, with chicken pox on the decline, people aren't getting exposed to the wild variety as an unintended booster shot. So shingles is becoming less of an old person's disease (old people were prone to it because they didn't spend as much time around children as when they were parents themselves) and more a disease that anyone who has ever had chicken pox is at risk of getting at any point. I bet in the next decade or so health insurance will start covering shingles boosters for the under 50 crowd, too.

The thing with vaccination that people don't seem to grasp is that they do not work on every person (just as every antibiotic doesn't work on every person) but unlike an antibiotic, if the vaccine didn't take, you might not know until you actually get the disease. They do work for the vast majority of people, though, so the important part in getting absolutely everyone in a population (who is not immune compromised, of course) is that there end up being so few people who aren't protected (including those for whom the vaccine didn't take) that a disease can't find enough hosts to get a hold of the unprotected population. That's why the anti-vaccine parents don't understand why it's such a big deal; diseases have been unable to get a grasp into communities for so long that they just don't grasp how bad it can get.

:tro:

exactly right. for some, their bodies might not have built up enough immunity...but by being around other immune people, no one can be a carrier and cause that person with lower immunity to get sick.
the antis really and truly need to educate themselves on just what we used to have to deal with--that we're being forced to deal with again because of their stupidity.
i really wish, also, that people would understand that medical care for everyone is as important as food-it's a basic necessity. it shouldn't be considered a luxury!

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1015486)
i really wish, also, that people would understand that medical care for everyone is as important as food-it's a basic necessity. it shouldn't be considered a luxury!

You're so right. Health care is something every single person will need at some point in their lives. It's not like fire or theft or flood or travel or liability, where you get it and hope you never have to use it. It's something you get knowing you are going to have to use it.

dellinger63 02-11-2015 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1015484)
Of course we should pay for it. We're a community, and that means we take care of each other. Jesus, what happened to a sense of civic duty in this country? Typical right wing attitude: I got mine, f*ck the rest of you all.

That's why there are charities. It's not my civic duty to pay for your child if I choose not to. If you and your husband couldn't afford a vaccine for the runt you shouldn't have had him/her.

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 08:01 PM

Deleting because I should not have responded to this opening.

dellinger63 02-11-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1015515)
I contributed the amount of income I had left after meeting the nut, as they say in household budgeting, and I posted the link to the fundraiser both on my FB and on the political blog I frequent, with an ode to her many lovely qualities. What did you do?

That said, I would have preferred to live in a society that has an actual safety net, so neither she nor anyone else would have had to deal with the stress of finding the money to get by after an accident in the first place.

I should not have pursued this train of thought.

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 08:13 PM

Deleting because I should not have responded to this opening.

dellinger63 02-11-2015 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 1015518)
So how much did you contribute? Since you brought it up, you should be willing to go first.

I like Genuine Risk

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 08:21 PM

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dellinger63 02-11-2015 08:24 PM

Wasn't a demand. It was a stupid point!

GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 08:25 PM

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GenuineRisk 02-11-2015 08:34 PM

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