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Derby Wars???
does anyone on here do these tournaments? Just looking at it, looks kinda fun but is it worth the time/money? if you pick enough winners to win a contest couldn't you make more money by betting on your picks? Just wondering as it at least looks interesting and by only spending $30 to play would probably be cheaper then actually betting on each race. thoughts?
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Fantini should answer this. He said on ATR Friday he's made perhaps $40k on Derby Wars this past year.
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Yes and no.Its mostly picking longshots most of the time. It can be a cheap day ifyou usually donate, so the competition can be fun,There are other places too like HorseTourneys, Twinspires, etc. Suggest you play for points at DW to get your feet wet. More sharp players on weekends and big $$ tourneys
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I hate Derby Wars...Seriously living in La. probably keeping me from being addicted to Derby Wars.
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I played at 123bet and thought it was fun. Buyins were small and prizes seemed fair in comparison to people in contests
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If you're confident you can consistently reach $70 to $90 in a 6 to 8 race span in $2 WP tournaments, I think you should do well on there.
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Its a good concept but I am not a fan of the limited formats and the token system. It has great potential similar to that of Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
Great for people who live in a state where they cant bet online. |
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DerbyWars has sharp players 7 days a week because they offer $2000 nine entrants winner take all games practically every day. $250 entry. I have played in midweek games that had 5 of the top 10 ranked tour players involved. Yikes! The weekend games offer higher payouts but the field sizes are of course much greater. |
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IMO the "token" system is a giant :tro: I would never pay $235 to play in a 100 person Saturday event. Or $375 to play in a 30 person high stakes Sunday game. And most importantly...$875 to play in a 30 person NHC qualifier. DerbyWars has opportunities all week long to win tokens for such events, in games of multiple sizes and buy in amounts, and at lots of different tracks. The $47 9 person games where you win a $375 token is a great deal. First off, they will run these even with only 7 entrants, meaning there is actually a negative takeout. If you can get one in under 7 tries ($47 x 7 = $329) you practically eliminate the takeout yourself. I have been fortunate enough to typically get one in the first 4 or 5 tries meaning that those Sunday contests yield a positive financial expectation for me in the long run. That's the idea anyway. As far as NHC spots goes. They run $47 24 player contests which yields 1 $875 token. That gets you into a 30 player qualifier where top 2 make it to Vegas. Most qualifying sites they will take like 1 of 65 entrants. I realize that mathematically your overall chance to qualify may be better going the big game way, but I feel as though my practical chances are improved by having to fare well in 2 smaller sized tournaments as opposed to 1 large tournament. Not quite so overwhelming. |
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Derbywars has live Wednesday night and 100k game webcasts which are fun to be a part of as well as constant write-ups and articles on players and tournaments at Horseracingnation. These are nice touches in an effort to get a new generation to become involved. |
I apologize if I have put some people to sleep with my responses.:zz:
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Appreciate you sharing your knowledge :tro:
Do you think it would be easier to win on Horse Tourneys or are they the same level of handicapper? |
You will find a lot of the same players on both sites. Lots of really sharp players, lots of intermediate players, some newcomers. If you have good opinions you will be fine at either place. The other sites seem to have more big contests which require you to submit all picks ahead of time, while Derbywars offers more play as you go type games. (IMO there are pros and cons to both) Derbywars offers the most $$$ games of the sites (I'm 90% sure of this) Horsetourneys offers more NHC spots throughout the year. I think Derbywars only awarded 11 spots this year as opposed to over a hundred at some sites. I would expect that number to grow significantly for the 2016 NHC.
I have enjoyed the majority of my success at Derbywars but I would like to think that is mainly because I focus most of my play there, not that another site may be more difficult to win at. |
Thanks Ed! What would be the best way to rate one's level
of skill? Money, wins and how much would you equate betting in terms of your handicapping skill (they seem to co-relate):rolleyes: sorry not the greatest with words lol |
Also, wondering how long it takes you to handicap
10 races thanks! I asked Andy Beyer he said 4 hours he was also doing some extra breeding research though |
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If you are getting paid for your opinions then I guess wins are okay. If you are like most of us schlubs your opinions need to make you :$: or whats the point.... Would you rather hit 6 out of 9 races and lose $5 for the day or be right twice and turn a profit? Easy answer. Most people I know dedicate 20 minutes to going through a race and then figure out how to wager that opinion on the way to the window. I try my best to split that time evenly. Learning how to maximize your profit when correct and minimize your losses when not is critical to your long term success. After reading Crists "Exotic Wagering" book I immediately noticed a difference in my play. Having a correct opinion, just like the guy beside you, wagering the same amount, just like the guy beside you, but collecting more money than the guy beside you, that's when you know you can have some success at this game. |
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There are a lot of variables to this though (tournament play vs regular play) (track vs track) Knowing your own strengths and weaknesses as a horseplayer can help you to understanding where you should focus more of your attention. Tracking your bets, tracks played, etc. My advice would be to take advantage of any resources that you can get your hands on. Formulator, Timeform pace ratings and projector, thorograph, HTR. These tools certainly simplify the handicapping process. |
Thanks again for your time Ed, knock em dead
this weekend:$::tro::D |
As a player who loves 'action' I was sold based on this thread and mainly Fantini's posts.
Just opened an account and would like to add that with the initial deposit of $25, they add $10 more as well as give you 1,000 points. I think it was $20 added for $100 and $30 for $200 (all gave 1,000 points). Look forward to playing soon though not today as Dell63. |
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Must say after a month of play, Derbywars has not only been more enjoyable than expected but also profitable. Not sure that qualifies as a Red Board (Since rankings are public #204 with $912 in winnings for Feb.)
BTW my successes pale in comparison to Fantini, ranked #17, and has 10X my winnings for the month. If you're on the fence about joining, get in. |
Based on the posts here decided to jump in as a way to
-cut back on action bets -get a feel for any sort of tourney play Missed the new player tournament by a few hours. Will they offer another one next week? Look forward to getting my feet wet in some smaller games this weekend. |
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GL BTW finished 2nd both Saturday and Sunday picking up $300 on an investment of $48. Much better than the $110 or so I would have made playing real bets but of course you wouldn't be forced to play all 7 races. Getting 3 outa 4 in pic 4's was getting old. ;) However, as twisted as I am I placed a cover bet on Saturday to cover the only long shot that would have brought me down in the contest for $2 as a hedge.:zz: |
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