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GBBob 12-29-2014 09:22 AM

Black Monday
 
Bears GM and Staff, Jets GM and Staff, Falcons Coach..so far..

Rudeboyelvis 12-29-2014 10:05 AM

Yet the Buccaneers, the worst team in the NFL, stand pat.

This season has been a complete fiasco even since they introduced this GM and Staff. They gutted an offensive line to bring in a bunch of rag-tag, overpaid retreads in order to fit some "magic new system" that an invisible new OC had concocted.

Then the Invisible OC goes out on "medical leave" before training camp and they promote the QB coach (who's never even been in the NFL) to Temporary OC, but not back filling the QB Coaching job.

So now the kid is basically the Offensive coordinator AND the QB Coach. No problem :rolleyes:

Now the season starts, and you have no offensive system, no offensive line, and a perennial backup QB on offense. So bad that you have to trade your ONLY receiving TE to New England to get ONE player that can play on the line.

As the season progresses, you do absolutely nothing to improve the offense; maybe hire an Offensive consultant (Chan Gailey, anyone?), Hire an interim QB coach so the new kid can at least focus on the offense specifically? ANYTHING??!!

Nope. Nothing. The invisible OC that blew up the line to fit his new "Magic New System" is still MIA, and alas, the "Magic New System" never gets unveiled.

Then, two weeks to go in the season, it is revealed that the Invisible OC will not be returning at all to the Bucs, instead will opt out of his deal and is now the Head Coach of the BC Lions in the CFL. We will never get to see what the "Magic New System" and the reason we have no O-line was all about :(

And the GM doesn't seem to get an ounce of criticism. Talk about the Teflon Don.

jms62 12-29-2015 06:29 PM

Black Monday starting early. Chip Kelly first to go.

Danzig 12-29-2015 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1051671)
Black Monday starting early. Chip Kelly first to go.

No surprise whatsoever. He should never have been gm, and I can understand why the owner wanted to change that. Chip didn't want to give up personnel control, so that was that.

saratogadew 12-30-2015 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1051677)
No surprise whatsoever. He should never have been gm, and I can understand why the owner wanted to change that. Chip didn't want to give up personnel control, so that was that.

The question swirling around Philly this morning;
Who will win a Super Bowl 1st, the Eagles or Chip Kelly?

jms62 12-30-2015 08:58 AM

Things I didn't understand about Chip Kelly and this goes back a few years

1. With regard to the Riley Cooper incident. What kind of coach would go to a Country and Western concert with a player?

2. When the Riley Cooper incident happened why was there anything other than immediately cutting him.

3. How can you trade Desean Jackson?

4. How can you let Jermey Maclin get away?

5. How can you trade Lesean McCoy the heart of your team?

6. How can you decide to bring in Demarco Murray at a huge price and then notice that he isn't a fit for your scheme :eek:?

7. How can you bring in Sam Bradford who is an injury waiting to happen? Nick Foles 2 years back had an incredible season not so much last year but as a coach you need to analyze what worked.

I have a lot of Friends that are Eagle Fans and I am really sad that Hurricane Chip leveled the Eagles in his swath... Sad.

Danzig 12-30-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogadew (Post 1051682)
The question swirling around Philly this morning;
Who will win a Super Bowl 1st, the Eagles or Chip Kelly?



Probably the eagles.


"I know everyone is the same in that they are intellectually inferior to me, Chip Kelly.”

herkhorse 12-30-2015 07:08 PM

too bad when coughlin goes they can't get rid of eli at the same time

declansharbor 12-31-2015 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1051689)
Things I didn't understand about Chip Kelly and this goes back a few years

1. With regard to the Riley Cooper incident. What kind of coach would go to a Country and Western concert with a player?

Chip wasnt with him at the concert, was he? If he was, this is the first that I'm hearing about it.

2. When the Riley Cooper incident happened why was there anything other than immediately cutting him.

You tell me and we'll BOTH know.

3. How can you trade Desean Jackson?

He didnt even trade him. He released him. HORRIBLE move to not get at least something back for him.

4. How can you let Jermey Maclin get away?

Offered him 9 a year when they knew damn well that 11-12 was the number to get him back in an Eagles uniform. Another horrible move.

5. How can you trade Lesean McCoy the heart of your team?

I wouldn't care about this trade as much if Kiko Alonso wasnt a stiff from Oregon that couldnt shed a block from my 5 yr old nephew.

6. How can you decide to bring in Demarco Murray at a huge price and then notice that he isn't a fit for your scheme :eek:?

Once Frank Gore stiffed them, they scuttled around quickly and landed on this mope.

7. How can you bring in Sam Bradford who is an injury waiting to happen? Nick Foles 2 years back had an incredible season not so much last year but as a coach you need to analyze what worked.

Im in the minority, but Bradford wasnt even in the top 10 of this team's problems. i would be thrilled to have him back next year at the right price and if the new coach puts any stock whatsoever in the offensive line position.

I have a lot of Friends that are Eagle Fans and I am really sad that Hurricane Chip leveled the Eagles in his swath... Sad.

The Birds will bounce back. Siyanora, Chipper! AKA The Worst GM in NFL History. You've been relieved, Matt Millen.

jms62 12-31-2015 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1051796)
The Birds will bounce back. Siyanora, Chipper! AKA The Worst GM in NFL History. You've been relieved, Matt Millen.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/07/eagl...hesney-concert

" During one of Chesney’s songs, the country star pulled Cooper, teammate Jason Kelce and coach Chip Kelly on stage to perform “Boys of Fall.” It was the lone highlight of a shocking evening."

ateamstupid 12-31-2015 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1051796)
The Birds will bounce back. Siyanora, Chipper! AKA The Worst GM in NFL History. You've been relieved, Matt Millen.

You need to let that Bradford notion go. He sucks.

jms62 12-31-2015 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1051818)
You need to let that Bradford notion go. He sucks.

Chan Gailey can fix the Eagles O and Deserves another shot at being a head coach.

Rudeboyelvis 12-31-2015 06:19 PM

It was funny when they got rid of Foles and his answer was to bring in 3 of the 5 worst QB's in NFL history since 2010 and let them duke it out for the job.

As a long suffering Skins fan, I finally breathed a sigh of relief.

Chippah needs to go to Tennessee and destroy Mariota's career next.

mclem0822 12-31-2015 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1051900)
It was funny when they got rid of Foles and his answer was to bring in 3 of the 5 worst QB's in NFL history since 2010 and let them duke it out for the job.

As a long suffering Skins fan, I finally breathed a sigh of relief.

Chippah needs to go to Tennessee and destroy Mariota's career next.

AMEN brother, feels good for a change. GO SKINS!

ateamstupid 12-31-2015 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1051847)
Chan Gailey can fix the Eagles O and Deserves another shot at being a head coach.

How dare you.

Our 15-year buffoon parade at offensive coordinator is finally over. HE'S MINE.

saratogadew 01-01-2016 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1051818)
You need to let that Bradford notion go. He sucks.

Correct. He is a mediocre back up at best.

declansharbor 01-01-2016 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem0822 (Post 1051901)
AMEN brother, feels good for a change. GO SKINS!

Enjoy the "top" of the division this year. The Eagles will be back, and so too the Cowboys, and the Giants will find a way to win the close games again.

declansharbor 01-01-2016 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogadew (Post 1051930)
Correct. He is a mediocre back up at best.

Then who would you go after? This oughtta be funny.



Mediocre back up at best?!? Pull your head out of your a$$. He'd EASILY be the best back up in football, if that's where he lands. He won't, however, because he's better than that. Between the deluge of dropped passes, and the amount of time the porous O Line gave him for most of the year, I think he did a good job this year (not the year that the fans expected after a dynamite preseason, but still a good year that easily could have been much better).

saratogadew 01-02-2016 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1051943)
Then who would you go after? This oughtta be funny.



Mediocre back up at best?!? Pull your head out of your a$$. He'd EASILY be the best back up in football, if that's where he lands. He won't, however, because he's better than that. Between the deluge of dropped passes, and the amount of time the porous O Line gave him for most of the year, I think he did a good job this year (not the year that the fans expected after a dynamite preseason, but still a good year that easily could have been much better).

I would keep him and go for a QB in the draft. The Eagles have so many holes that even Brady wouldn't succeed. Bradford is an immobile, dink and dunk quarterback. Defences can play up and tee off on him because he can't stretch the field. Any negative stat on Bradford can easily be deflected to the O line and recievers. If you're looking for a 9-7, 10-6 QB, he might fit the bill. But if you're looking to go deep into the playoffs, or god forbid, the Superbowl, Bradford will not, and can't get you there. This is besides the fact that he can't make it through a full season because of his fragility.

mclem0822 01-02-2016 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1051942)
Enjoy the "top" of the division this year. The Eagles will be back, and so too the Cowboys, and the Giants will find a way to win the close games again.

Cowboys get healthy, i would still consider them the team to beat. Skins gotta get better, there's not question about that i have delusions that they are a great team yet. They won an injury riddled, mixed up division. And the Skins get a 1st place schedule, that will not be easy to negotiate either. This time next year the division standings could look totally different. :zz:

Mike A 01-04-2016 10:37 AM

Pretty sure the Skins QB is a free agent, if so do the Iggles go after him?
Seems he has more up side, than Bradford

Looks like the 49ers will talk with Chip

Danzig 01-04-2016 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike A (Post 1052405)
Pretty sure the Skins QB is a free agent, if so do the Iggles go after him?
Seems he has more up side, than Bradford

Looks like the 49ers will talk with Chip

you mean rg3?
good luck to whoever gets him, they'll need it.

Mike A 01-04-2016 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1052419)
you mean rg3?
good luck to whoever gets him, they'll need it.


I was referring to Cousins, sorry about not being clear. Bradford is going to get $12-15 M if you keep him, not sure what the length of contract he'll get

To take a division rivals starting QB could help in more than 1 way

jms62 01-04-2016 01:32 PM

Coughlin Out

declansharbor 01-04-2016 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike A (Post 1052420)
I was referring to Cousins, sorry about not being clear. Bradford is going to get $12-15 M if you keep him, not sure what the length of contract he'll get

To take a division rivals starting QB could help in more than 1 way

I see Bradford coming back for the Franchise Tag before I see Washington letting Cousins walk. Neither scenario happens imo, I just think the FT is more likely than Cousins.

If the Eagles can keep Bradford at 12-15, it becomes a no-brainer. Plug in 1-2 more NFL caliber O-lineman, replace a few of his WRs, and I think that side of the ball is good to go. There was no continuity at all for the offense this year, but its nothing a few tweaks here and there cant cure. Build around Matthews and Ertz with a 1-2 more playmakers, and they're off and running.

The Eagles arent as far gone as my friends and family would lead you to believe. Mind you, these are the same dopes that ran Andy out of town. I am absolutely LOVING throwing his current team's situation right into the faces of my loved ones. They simply have no retort for me. There's no denying that his teams get MUCH better as the year goes on, something we've been missing since he left. Long gone are the days where the Eagles motto was "NEXT MAN UP & LETS NOT SKIP A BEAT DOING IT" .... and BOY, those were the years. Hoping the next man in here can bring a winning culture with him, instead of milkshakes and sports science awards.

Danzig 01-04-2016 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike A (Post 1052420)
I was referring to Cousins, sorry about not being clear. Bradford is going to get $12-15 M if you keep him, not sure what the length of contract he'll get

To take a division rivals starting QB could help in more than 1 way

i don't see cousins going anywhere.

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2016 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike A (Post 1052420)
I was referring to Cousins, sorry about not being clear. Bradford is going to get $12-15 M if you keep him, not sure what the length of contract he'll get

To take a division rivals starting QB could help in more than 1 way

Cousins is going to get paid to stay in DC. Young Daniel will see to that.

Not going anywhere.

The Eagles need to revamp their entire offense in the wake of Chip Kelly. A lot of the existing pieces will not fit a traditional Pro-Style Offense, they were hodgepodged together to fit Kelly's wacko scheme. Getting rid of Desean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin and Lesean McCoy was beyond idiotic, they were big pieces that are not easily replaced plus unless you are getting a 1st round QB, he is going to have to grow into the role.

They'll likely stick with Bradford and build an offense around him, then draft a QB when they have a servicable offense in place.

Anyone that thinks this team is a new coach and year away from being competitive again is delusional.

declansharbor 01-04-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1052429)
Cousins is going to get paid to stay in DC. Young Daniel will see to that.

Not going anywhere.

The Eagles need to revamp their entire offense in the wake of Chip Kelly. A lot of the existing pieces will not fit a traditional Pro-Style Offense, they were hodgepodged together to fit Kelly's wacko scheme. Getting rid of Desean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin and Lesean McCoy was beyond idiotic, they were big pieces that are not easily replaced plus unless you are getting a 1st round QB, he is going to have to grow into the role.

They'll likely stick with Bradford and build an offense around him, then draft a QB when they have a servicable offense in place.

Anyone that thinks this team is a new coach and year away from being competitive again is delusional.

I can see them winning the East next year IF the moves they make in the offseason turn out to be the right moves. I mean, HELL, they almost were in it this year and its been beyond the most miserable year for them in quite some time.

Its not like any of the other 3 teams in the division are world beaters.

Enjoy the playoffs this year, win or lose. The Skins took care of business this year. I give them props. Next year is a whole new bowl of wax, just like every year in the division.


and yes people, I know. Winning the NFC East doesnt necessarily mean theyre competitive against the higher echelon of teams.

casp0555 01-04-2016 01:48 PM

originally posted in the nfl 2015 thread....

CBS Sports panel discussion on changes and possibles....:confused::confused:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ngs-candidates

Mike A 01-04-2016 01:51 PM

I see the Skins paying Cousins what ever he wants, tag price at worse.
Iggles keep Bradford, the length of the contract could be tricky, get up-grade on O line, say good by to Cooper.
Mathews looks to be improving, TE's are good enough

Danzig 01-04-2016 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1052429)
Cousins is going to get paid to stay in DC. Young Daniel will see to that.

Not going anywhere.

The Eagles need to revamp their entire offense in the wake of Chip Kelly. A lot of the existing pieces will not fit a traditional Pro-Style Offense, they were hodgepodged together to fit Kelly's wacko scheme. Getting rid of Desean Jackson, Jeremy Macklin and Lesean McCoy was beyond idiotic, they were big pieces that are not easily replaced plus unless you are getting a 1st round QB, he is going to have to grow into the role.

They'll likely stick with Bradford and build an offense around him, then draft a QB when they have a servicable offense in place.

Anyone that thinks this team is a new coach and year away from being competitive again is delusional.

how not to be a coach, written by chip kelley
he thought he could make anyone good with his system. ooops

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2016 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1052434)
how not to be a coach, written by chip kelley
he thought he could make anyone good with his system. ooops

It's not unlike the current situation in Tampa. They brought in Lovie and gave him final say in personnel decisions. Big mistake. They are at the least another year away now because he blew up a functional defense to bring in "His Guys" who turned out to be mostly retreaded free agents looking for a quick payday. Most of them are gone, and now there are glaring holes on the D line (one of the lowest pass rushing lines in the NFL) and secondary. To give him credit - when healthy, they have a solid Linebacking Corps.

I truly have no earthly idea what a GM in the NFL does anymore.

Hopefully this experiment is over and HC's go back to doing what they are paid to do - coach the players they are given by designing schemes around the strengths and talents of the team.

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2016 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1052430)
I can see them winning the East next year IF the moves they make in the offseason turn out to be the right moves. I mean, HELL, they almost were in it this year and its been beyond the most miserable year for them in quite some time.

Its not like any of the other 3 teams in the division are world beaters.

Enjoy the playoffs this year, win or lose. The Skins took care of business this year. I give them props. Next year is a whole new bowl of wax, just like every year in the division.


and yes people, I know. Winning the NFC East doesnt necessarily mean theyre competitive against the higher echelon of teams.

If the Cowboys don't lose Romo and Dez they would have run away with the division and we're all licking our wounds and trying to find answers. The Skins sort of inherited the East by default, though I have to give Cousins credit - once he got regular reps and a rhythm with the 1st team, he shined. The O line could still use some help, there Safetys are getting a little long in the tooth, but nothing that can't be upgraded for next year. I'd suspect they will be near the top of the division with the Cowboys next season.

The Eagles have a lot of needs - the have easily the best TE's in the East, but again, it really will depend on what sort of offensive blocking scheme the new OC runs - Zone read vs. Power vs. Gap .... completely different styles of play... you may have guys there now that can't adapt - it happens all the time. It typically take 2 years for a HC to develop a squad around his system including getting rid of players that don't fit. we'll just have to watch and see.

I'm personally bummed - I thought Chip Kelly would have had high flying offense running on all cylinders by now - that would have been exciting to watch...unfortunately it seems as though his system wasn't all that difficult to crack once the film was out

Crown@club 01-04-2016 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1052440)
If the Cowboys don't lose Romo and Dez they would have run away with the division and we're all licking our wounds and trying to find answers. The Skins sort of inherited the East by default, though I have to give Cousins credit - once he got regular reps and a rhythm with the 1st team, he shined. The O line could still use some help, there Safetys are getting a little long in the tooth, but nothing that can't be upgraded for next year. I'd suspect they will be near the top of the division with the Cowboys next season.

The Eagles have a lot of needs - the have easily the best TE's in the East, but again, it really will depend on what sort of offensive blocking scheme the new OC runs - Zone read vs. Power vs. Gap .... completely different styles of play... you may have guys there now that can't adapt - it happens all the time. It typically take 2 years for a HC to develop a squad around his system including getting rid of players that don't fit. we'll just have to watch and see.

I'm personally bummed - I thought Chip Kelly would have had high flying offense running on all cylinders by now - that would have been exciting to watch...unfortunately it seems as though his system wasn't all that difficult to crack once the film was out

I wouldn't necessarily say the Eagles have the best TEs in the East even though Reed could be a concussion away from ending his career and Carrier rehabbing torn ACL. Philly could be axing Celek in March.

declansharbor 01-04-2016 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 1052444)
I wouldn't necessary say the Eagles have the best TEs in the East even though Reed could be a concussion away from ending his career and Carrier rehabbing torn ACL. Philly could be axing Celek in March.

Celek is primarily a blocker. If he parts ways, I say they bring in a TE of his caliber to take over those duties, all while getting Ertz and Trey Burton more reps.

I do, however, like Reed & Carrier. Reed is a nightmare of a TE to match up with for linebackers. Plus, he's won my brother and I a little bit of coin this year.

Danzig 01-04-2016 08:50 PM

Colts keep pagano.

casp0555 01-06-2016 03:16 PM

Payton staying in NOLA....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...orleans-saints

Rudeboyelvis 01-06-2016 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1052437)
It's not unlike the current situation in Tampa. They brought in Lovie and gave him final say in personnel decisions. Big mistake. They are at the least another year away now because he blew up a functional defense to bring in "His Guys" who turned out to be mostly retreaded free agents looking for a quick payday. Most of them are gone, and now there are glaring holes on the D line (one of the lowest pass rushing lines in the NFL) and secondary. To give him credit - when healthy, they have a solid Linebacking Corps.

I truly have no earthly idea what a GM in the NFL does anymore.

Hopefully this experiment is over and HC's go back to doing what they are paid to do - coach the players they are given by designing schemes around the strengths and talents of the team.


Aaaaannnnd Love gets sacked. My money is on OC Dirk Koetter to the promotion

ateamstupid 01-06-2016 10:06 PM

Meanwhile, Jeff Fisher's just gonna keep going 7-9 every year until the end of eternity with no job security issues. Mind-boggling.

Rudeboyelvis 01-07-2016 08:49 AM

http://www.joebucsfan.com/2016/01/du...ed-doom-lovie/


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