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oracle80 10-10-2006 11:15 AM

Gomez to ride Perfect Drift in Classic
 
Gomez will be aboard Perfect Drift in the Breeders Cup Classic, this news courtesy of Steve Haskin of bloodhorse.com, just posted 10 minutes ago on their site.

Scav 10-10-2006 11:17 AM

You better be ready Mike, if he wins this friggin thing, the whole world will be coming here telling you how Gomez got the all time hanger to win

I can't stop smiling right now because of the hilariousness this is going to cause

Coach Pants 10-10-2006 11:18 AM

Oh ****. And he won't be the favorite either.

Buffymommy 10-10-2006 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You better be ready Mike, if he wins this friggin thing, the whole world will be coming here telling you how Gomez got the all time hanger to win

I can't stop smiling right now because of the hilariousness this is going to cause


I am not going to do that Scav. I already have a plan in motion for all you Drifty doubters... :D


Oh, but if he loses, I will be sure to blame Gomez since Drifty can do no wrong...

oracle80 10-10-2006 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You better be ready Mike, if he wins this friggin thing, the whole world will be coming here telling you how Gomez got the all time hanger to win

I can't stop smiling right now because of the hilariousness this is going to cause

I'll put that threat right up there with1) Asi hitting the board in the Distaff, 2)Kellys landing hitting the board in the Sprint, and the 3)Alciabades winner hitting the board in the Filly Juvy race. 4) Throw Hunter winning the Juvy colts in there as well.

Those are five Oracle gurantees for BC Day. Save the post, and print if you need to. Noones gonna say I told you so about any of those things.

Scav 10-10-2006 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Oh, but if he loses, I will be sure to blame Gomez since Drifty can do no wrong...

Can't blame PD because no one has been able to get him. I doubt Angel Cordero could have gotten him up

tycharles01 10-10-2006 11:35 AM

Mike, say you got a horse in the BC and u got 3 choices for jock who u take??

1 Gomez
2 The Little French Bastard
3 Crackhead you find on the corner in Louisville before your trip to the track

Cannon Shell 10-10-2006 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Mike, say you got a horse in the BC and u got 3 choices for jock who u take??

1 Gomez
2 The Little French Bastard
3 Crackhead you find on the corner in Louisville before your trip to the track

Can P Val sub for # 3??

slotdirt 10-10-2006 11:38 AM

Is Tricky Trevor coming to the Downs for the sprint? He looked phenomenal on derby day.

repent 10-10-2006 11:40 AM

lol,
if he could not beat the Foster field at Churchill, how is he going to win the BC Classic there?

I guess this was the best Gomez thought he could do, and at least he might get a piece of the money.
although I seriously doubt it.

Ill go along with what Oracle said about those polytrack horses and PDrift.
no chance.


Repent

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Gomez will be aboard Perfect Drift in the Breeders Cup Classic, this news courtesy of Steve Haskin of bloodhorse.com, just posted 10 minutes ago on their site.


who cares? only Pat Day and Gary Stevens can get this horse to win

oracle80 10-10-2006 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Mike, say you got a horse in the BC and u got 3 choices for jock who u take??

1 Gomez
2 The Little French Bastard
3 Crackhead you find on the corner in Louisville before your trip to the track

If you are referring to Pval in number three, I would take 3 any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
By the way to the guys who contend I'm wrong about Gomez still giving nightmarish rides that deserve having a car battery hooked up to his testicles that guys like Johnny, Edgar and Pval don't, I refer you to the 3rd race at belmont yesterday where he gave a ride that a 10 pound bug would have been ashamed of. Breaks well with the speed of the race dropping out of an open comonay stakes race, wrangles back hard after a 1/4 mile for no reason at all, gets in traffic, grabs some more, and ends up 4 wide spotting them lengths turning for home beaten a neck. It was just as disgusting an effort as you will ever see. For all his talent and great rides hes still so prone to completely unexplainable lapses in judgement out there.
You can put the 2Yo NY bred filly Graeme Central in your bet back list next out. This one was really dumb.

Coach Pants 10-10-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
who cares? only Pat Day and Gary Stevens can get this horse to win

Gary Stevens said he was the best horse he's ever ridden.

I'm unloading on him on BC day. Gary, that is.

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
If you are referring to Pval in number three, I would take 3 any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
By the way to the guys who contend I'm wrong about Gomez still giving nightmarish rides that deserve having a car battery hooked up to his testicles that guys like Johnny, Edgar and Pval don't, I refer you to the 3rd race at belmont yesterday where he gave a ride that a 10 pound bug would have been ashamed of. Breaks well with the speed of the race dropping out of an open comonay stakes race, wrangles back hard after a 1/4 mile for no reason at all, gets in traffic, grabs some more, and ends up 4 wide spotting them lengths turning for home beaten a neck. It was just as disgusting an effort as you will ever see. For all his talent and great rides hes still so prone to completely unexplainable lapses in judgement out there.
You can put the 2Yo NY bred filly Graeme Central in your bet back list next out. This one was really dumb.


It is just criminal that Russell Baze will not be riding in the BC

repent 10-10-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
It is just criminal that Russell Baze will not be riding in the BC

lmao.
yeah, about as criminal as Joy Scott not being there.

Repent

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 11:51 AM

i got no problem with Prado's ride on Giant, dems the breaks in turf racing. He saved ground but no daylight opened up. Better than running wide the whole way then being fanned wide in the stretch

SniperSB23 10-10-2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
I'll put that threat right up there with1) Asi hitting the board in the Distaff, 2)Kellys landing hitting the board in the Sprint, and the 3)Alciabades winner hitting the board in the Filly Juvy race. 4) Throw Hunter winning the Juvy colts in there as well.

Those are five Oracle gurantees for BC Day. Save the post, and print if you need to. Noones gonna say I told you so about any of those things.

Are they really going to run Asi Siempre in the Distaff rather than the FM Turf? That would be idiocy. Kelly's Landing will be 50-1 minimum in the Sprint if they are stupid enough to send him so predicting he won't hit the board is hardly going out on a limb. The Juv Fillies race is wide open but the Alciabades winner has just as good a chance as anyone does of winning or of not hitting the board.

So the only real prediction you made there is Great Hunter and I notice you aren't confident enough to say he won't hit the board or take my bet of him and Street Sense against Circular Quay (who you think is ten lengths better than them on dirt).

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I really don't either, but I'm sure there would have been a ton of criticisms on here if Gomez did it. Gomez did the same thing on Happy ticket, and was almost put over the rail, and there was a thread on here about same jock, same mistake. has to be consistent, if you're going to criticize one for it, have to do the other.

Big difference here Da Hoss, at least in my mind. Prado also got beat with Quickfire who was tons the best a week ago at Belmont. But like Happy and Frost, when a jock rides a horse the proper way(meaning running style) I don't scream when they get shut off and checked. I don't blame Gomez for Happy at all. His only chance was to try and get through that hole, he didn't have enough horse to win any other way. He gave everyone who bet on her the best shot he could. You can't control a bunch of 1000 pound animals being in your way.
What you can control are stupid tactical decisions that NOONE IS FORCING YOU TO MAKE!!!
Ok Hoss, if you need to see pp's I can email em to you for that race yesterday, and if you need a race replay you can get it off the NYtb website.
Now you watch that race and look at the pp's and you get on here and look me in the eye and tell me that horror show wasn't anything but his stupid fault to CHOOSE to do the increibly stupid things he did.
Thats the difference. I'm fair. Happy wasn't his fault at all, he gave you the best shot he could. You don't ever hear me screaming about a guy getting blocked and checked. Thats gonna happen a lot, its noones fault. Stupid cognitive moves burn me up. You watch and read and you tell me what exactly you think he was doing out there ok? You need the pp's?

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Are they really going to run Asi Siempre in the Distaff rather than the FM Turf? That would be idiocy. Kelly's Landing will be 50-1 minimum in the Sprint if they are stupid enough to send him so predicting he won't hit the board is hardly going out on a limb. The Juv Fillies race is wide open but the Alciabades winner has just as good a chance as anyone does of winning or of not hitting the board.

So the only real prediction you made there is Great Hunter and I notice you aren't confident enough to say he won't hit the board or take my bet of him and Street Sense against Circular Quay (who you think is ten lengths better than them on dirt).

You're on!! Like me and Euro in the same bet. Loser donates 20 bucks to a toys for tots at Christmas program or to a Thanksgiving Day feed the homeless shleter on behalf of the winner.

SniperSB23 10-10-2006 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
You're on!! Like me and Euro in the same bet. Loser donates 20 bucks to a toys for tots at Christmas program or to a Thanksgiving Day feed the homeless shleter on behalf of the winner.

Alrighty, always happy to help out the less fortunate, especially when it is with your money!

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Alrighty, always happy to help out the less fortunate, especially when it is with your money!

There will be a happy child with a toy thanks to your money.

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.

Pulpiteer was blocked with nowhere to go.
lets get back to Gomez' ride, although I'm sure you would rather not and already have seen it.
Wanted no part of the pace huh? Funny that she stalked the pac in her debut when HE RODE HER!! and she rolled. Last time out at Calder she was trapped on a very dead rail and cut a wicked 1/4.
The pace yesterday was moderate with a freerunning loose horse. he had perfect position and for no reason in a 6F race decided to stand up and wrangle her back, and then forced to go very wide. Why do you figure this mental midget decided that a horse with a tactical speed edge on the filed who had broken sharply and had assumed perfect position needed to do that?
Get back to me when you have any idea, because I sure as hell don't.

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I've seen the race, it looks to me like he wanted no part of being on the pace. The horse broke on top, he took back, came with a good run, but couldn't get past the chalk winner. The horse had the entire stretch to get by, but Castellano looked like he had it measured well. It just gets to be a little ridiculous hearing about every little mistake he may or not ne making. We hear little about his good rides, and very little about other jocks "bad " rides. How about Prado's ride on Round Pond. Why be on the lead there? There were a few speeds lined up, and the horse isn't a need the lead type. Something was obviously wrong with her that day, but why be up on the lead. And I know there is no way to defend his ride on Pulpiteer a few weeks back. As bad or worse as I have seen this year. Take a peek at that one and tell me what you think.

"measured"? "chalk"? The winner was slightly favored and life and death to hold on after a perfect trip while the runnerup was wrangled, checked, and swung 4 wide against her preferred runnning style. Do you honestly think she wasn't tons the best? If she was beatn 3 lengths than maybe I say she wasn't best, but please. It was one of the dumbest rides I ever saw, and you just haveto shake yourhead when he pulls those incedibly stupid moves. Hes still got some Jekyll and Hyde in him.

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't know how he or anyone thinks, do you? Possible the trainer wanted to be off the pace? I don't know, but I just find it humorous that you can pick that ride apart, but no mention of Pulpiteer. The Pulpiteer ride was AWFUL. But not too much said about it. Gotta be consistent. I tend to think that had Gomez been on the horse we would have read a few long winded posts about the ride. Look, I just think it gets tiresome. The guy can't be as bad as you make him, and every move he makes you pick apart. little to no mention of any other jockey.

I haven't bashed one of hs rides since Milwaukee and Fourtynine below at the Spa. If you really wanna be precise.

blackthroatedwind 10-10-2006 12:29 PM

Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.

blackthroatedwind 10-10-2006 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It is just amusing. A mere sentence for the horror trip that was Pulpiteer's last race, and how many posts have you made about Gomez? Where was the Pulpiteer thread? Oh wait it was Prado, so none.

Prado, who I have always loved, has developed a dangerous fascination with the rail, on the turf especially, and it has cost him more than a few times.

Cajungator26 10-10-2006 12:31 PM

Gomez is extremely inconsistent. You never know what kind of ride you're going to get...

With that said, I hope he's in good form come Breeders Cup day because Drifty is my pick to win. :cool:

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
One of the dumbest you've ever seen? Come on, ever seen? My point is you never criticize anyone other than him. There has to be other jocks giving "bad" rides. Where is the criticism of them?

Hoss,
I see lots of dumb rides, but most by jocks not worth mentioning because you expect them to give their share of them.
I'm not the only one who notices the vaporlock his brain experiences at times.
You didn't hear me picking apart Happy Ticket and I explained why.
This guy is real unique. Hes considered upper echelon and of the few guys in the upper echelon none comes close to occasionally giving mindboggling stupid rides like he does.
Again, I'm not painting him out to be awful on a whole, but if you are still trying to deflect away from my point about that ride, and even worse attempting to defend it, than I would suggest that its you, not I, who is biased.
Lots of sharp race watchers on this board, and i haven't spoken to anyone about that ride off the board. I'm willing to bet that anyone who chimes in about that ride who saw it, will paint it in a much more negative way than you have. It was an abomination.
Its frustrating not ever knowing when hes gonna take a mental vacation. That ride was indeed just horrendous. And anyone who handicapped the race and saw the race will say the same thing.
Criticizing certain rides, is not a total condemnation of a jockey as a whole. But hes definitely most prone to complete disasters that come out of nowhere.

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Gomez gives many more good rides than bad rides, and is a top rider, but his ride on the Violette horse in yesterday's third was comical at best and suspect at worst. I would like to think the stewards called him infor that atrocity though I'm sure they didn't even notice.

Thank You. I wanted to ask if you had seen it and figured you had.
I haven't seen such a disgrace in a long time. And the stewards should definitely have a chat with him about his intentions. It was either a stiff or incredibly stupid, even beyond that.
No way could anyone have done what he did ON PURPOSE without just being completely clueless, or very much with a clue.
Ok Da Hoss? I'm not picking on him here, it was that bad and your failure tonote this tells me you are either president of his fan club or didnt actually see the race. It was embarssing to watch, it was THAT bad.

Cajungator26 10-10-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?

IMO, he's either riding fantastic or he's riding like horseshiat. When he's on, he's spectacular, but when he's off... watch out. JMO.

I tend to agree with Mike on Gomez for the most part, although I don't normally rant about it to the extent that he does. :p I've got nothing against the guy, but I do see a lot of inconsistency in his rides.

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Can you define extremely inconsistent? How is he extremely inconsistent?

So you figure that Blackthroat and I had the same exact conclusion about the race, even though we certainly haven't chatted about it anywhere, and that we both drew the same conclusion two hundred miles apart while watching the same race and consider my gripe unreasonable?

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
IMO, he's either riding fantastic or he's riding like horseshiat. When he's on, he's spectacular, but when he's off... watch out. JMO.

I tend to agree with Mike on Gomez for the most part, although I don't normally rant about it to the extent that he does. :p I've got nothing against the guy, but I do see a lot of inconsistency in his rides.

Pull up the replay on the Belmont third cajun. It should be on www.nybreds.com. Click on Crosstown Traffic which is in blue when the site comes up. Then sit back and enjoy one of the worst things you ever saw.
It was absolutely one of the dumbest rides(i'd like to think it was just dumb, not intentional) that you ever saw in your life.


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