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dellinger63 10-10-2006 10:38 AM

Horse Greeley Juvi Scratch?
 
The status of Del Mar Futurity (G2) winner HORSE GREELEY (Mr. Greeley) was undecided after his eventful seventh-place finish as the 13-10 favorite in Sunday's Norfolk Breeders' Cup S. (G2) at Oak Tree. The Richard Mandella trainee had a troubled trip from the starting gate to the first turn, where he went extremely wide, and never fully recovered in the 1 1/16-mile event.

"His ankles are a little jarred up," Mandella said. "I'm sure we're going to X-ray him. It could be a minor thing, it could be more serious. We'll have to see in the next few days. Everything's up in the air (regarding the Breeders' Cup Juvenile [G1])."

oracle80 10-10-2006 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
The status of Del Mar Futurity (G2) winner HORSE GREELEY (Mr. Greeley) was undecided after his eventful seventh-place finish as the 13-10 favorite in Sunday's Norfolk Breeders' Cup S. (G2) at Oak Tree. The Richard Mandella trainee had a troubled trip from the starting gate to the first turn, where he went extremely wide, and never fully recovered in the 1 1/16-mile event.

"His ankles are a little jarred up," Mandella said. "I'm sure we're going to X-ray him. It could be a minor thing, it could be more serious. We'll have to see in the next few days. Everything's up in the air (regarding the Breeders' Cup Juvenile [G1])."

It was reported in DRf that he will indeed be passing the race.
Mandella is too good a horseman to take a shot with a horse shipping halfway across the country in a race this big to send one who isnt 100%. Kudos to him on the decision.

SniperSB23 10-10-2006 10:46 AM

Horse Greeley will never win another graded stakes race in his life.

oracle80 10-10-2006 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Horse Greeley will never win another graded stakes race in his life.

But dude!!!! He blew away the mighty Great Hunter!!!! Shredded him, now how can that be?

SniperSB23 10-10-2006 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
But dude!!!! He blew away the mighty Great Hunter!!!! Shredded him, now how can that be?

Right place at the right time, didn't stretch out, now injuries are cropping up. I've seen enough of these early developing 2yos disappear to know that my statement of him not winning another graded stakes is a pretty good bet.

I never said Great Hunter was a mighty horse, just better than Circular Quay. I'm not impressed with the 2yos so far at all. I'm thinking that the Derby winner hasn't raced yet and certainly hasn't raced in Stakes company yet.

Balletto 10-10-2006 10:56 AM

Im going to agree with Sniper on this one. Besides filly and mare turf racing, 2yo's are my favorite and this year just hasnt grabbed my attention. It could turn out to be a great crop yet, but nothing is all that inspiring to me, thus far.

oracle80 10-10-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Right place at the right time, didn't stretch out, now injuries are cropping up. I've seen enough of these early developing 2yos disappear to know that my statement of him not winning another graded stakes is a pretty good bet.

I never said Great Hunter was a mighty horse, just better than Circular Quay. I'm not impressed with the 2yos so far at all. I'm thinking that the Derby winner hasn't raced yet and certainly hasn't raced in Stakes company yet.

Well I'm not saying he is Derby material but hes certainly a very nice horse.
His exercise rider is a board member on here and she is very talented and a class act. I'm sure when she gets around to posting that she will tell us what the story is.

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 11:50 AM

Horse Greeley sucks, what an overhyped piece of crap

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 11:53 AM

I dont see it im still sore at Mandella over Listen Indy

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Horse Greeley sucks, what an overhyped piece of crap

You're incorrigible.

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
You're incorrigible.


thats what she said

oracle80 10-10-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
thats what she said

Whoever "she" is, shes an astute judge of character.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-10-2006 12:41 PM

Well,he is a very big horse that doesn't break well from the gate.It hurt him in his debut,and in this race as well.Surprised they haven't tried blinks yet,but maybe HONU(is that her name?)can shed some lite on whether they have explored that yet.The horse just outside of him came over on him at the start.I guess he got hurt there(somewhat)and mentally "out of it" after that.2 horses in that race that certainly don't have trouble breaking from the gate are Principle Secret,and especially Stormello(a really good horse out of the gate.)Spot the Diplomat did not break all the great(if he did,then I think Alex (on P.S.)would have chosen to lay off him (instead of leading the race.)

lemoncrush 10-10-2006 12:42 PM

The 2-yo crop is hard to dissect right now, especially in California.
Prime Ruler, Principle Secret and Horse Greeley have all looked brilliant and mediocre in the span of a few months.
That's why I still think CQ is the goods. He's shown consistency and
push-button accelleration I haven't seen out of any other 2-year old.
I wonder if Gomez or Bejarano will get the ride on CQ on Nov. 4th?

LARHAGE 10-10-2006 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
The 2-yo crop is hard to dissect right now, especially in California.
Prime Ruler, Principle Secret and Horse Greeley have all looked brilliant and mediocre in the span of a few months.
That's why I still think CQ is the goods. He's shown consistency and
push-button accelleration I haven't seen out of any other 2-year old.
I wonder if Gomez or Bejarano will get the ride on CQ on Nov. 4th?

I think both Principle Secret and Horse Greeley should get a pass on the last race, Principle Secret was pressed through hard fractions and was game in defeat going 2 turns for the first time. Horse Greeley had a nightmare trip, he ran up on heels, checked and bolted, he's just a baby. I think they are both nice horses and will be heard from again.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-10-2006 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
The 2-yo crop is hard to dissect right now, especially in California.
Prime Ruler, Principle Secret and Horse Greeley have all looked brilliant and mediocre in the span of a few months.
That's why I still think CQ is the goods. He's shown consistency and
push-button accelleration I haven't seen out of any other 2-year old.
I wonder if Gomez or Bejarano will get the ride on CQ on Nov. 4th?

We have a monster out here called E.Z. Warrior.He just started working again yesterday.He had some sort of minor problem that took him out of training for a while.He simply teased Great Hunter back in early July.Multiple gears.That Zayad guy paid God knows how much for this horse,and Baffert trains.Baffert didn't really want to run him that day(because he drew the 1 hole.)He and the owner agreed to find out exactly how good he was(by seeing if he could win despite the 1 hole.)Horse had to wait behind traffic,and then made a huge push button move through traffic.Great Hunter came up to his outside(with a big wide move,)and E.Z. Warrior toyed with him before easily drawing off.Maybe we will see him in the HWD Futurity.Same owner as Point Ashley.The guy has some major jak.

Balletto 10-10-2006 01:28 PM

E.Z. Warrior was bred to be a good 2yo by Exploit out of a stakes-placed sprinting Carson City mare. He could be a factor later in the year but dont expect a Classic's type with him.

eurobounce 10-10-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Balletto
Im going to agree with Sniper on this one. Besides filly and mare turf racing, 2yo's are my favorite and this year just hasnt grabbed my attention. It could turn out to be a great crop yet, but nothing is all that inspiring to me, thus far.

Really--I happen to really enjoy the 2 year olds this year. I think not only is there potential for some good horses but also the potential of a couple of good rivalries.

Honu 10-10-2006 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Right place at the right time, didn't stretch out, now injuries are cropping up. I've seen enough of these early developing 2yos disappear to know that my statement of him not winning another graded stakes is a pretty good bet.

I never said Great Hunter was a mighty horse, just better than Circular Quay. I'm not impressed with the 2yos so far at all. I'm thinking that the Derby winner hasn't raced yet and certainly hasn't raced in Stakes company yet.

The horses ankles were slightly filled the day after the race, I saw him jog on a shank up and down the shed 3 times , he was not off. He is being x rayed to make sure there is nothing amiss, and Im 90% sure that the xrays will be clean. Mostly the horse came unglued mentally , which is in his pedigree as his mother was a blooming idiot with tons of run . After he reared in the gate the gate hand bit his ear which I think was the beginning of the end for him mentally. He left the gate almost falling down and then was shut off and ran over because of his stupidity in the gate and not getting off well. To me , and I know the horse pretty well, by the time he got to the first turn he was so pi**ed off that he was like " screw it Im going to the 100 to 1 "
Ill bet you a beer or beverage of your choice this horse will win more stakes and you can take that statement to the bank.

Honu 10-10-2006 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
Horse Greeley sucks, what an overhyped piece of crap

Boy you have alot of class.

SniperSB23 10-10-2006 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
The horses ankles were slightly filled the day after the race, I saw him jog on a shank up and down the shed 3 times , he was not off. He is being x rayed to make sure there is nothing amiss, and Im 90% sure that the xrays will be clean. Mostly the horse came unglued mentally , which is in his pedigree as his mother was a blooming idiot with tons of run . After he reared in the gate the gate hand bit his ear which I think was the beginning of the end for him mentally. He left the gate almost falling down and then was shut off and ran over because of his stupidity in the gate and not getting off well. To me , and I know the horse pretty well, by the time he got to the first turn he was so pi**ed off that he was like " screw it Im going to the 100 to 1 "
Ill bet you a beer or beverage of your choice this horse will win more stakes and you can take that statement to the bank.

I'll take you on at a line of one graded stakes victory. If he wins one more it is a push, less than one you owe me a beer, more than one and I owe you a beer.

oracle80 10-10-2006 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Boy you have alot of class.

And he actually wonders why he has no social life, thats the funny part. Hes not aware that hes actually doing anything wrong at all.

Seattleallstar 10-10-2006 02:05 PM

well im seeing a girl again, so thats not so bad. I just have to remind myself not to bring up the A word.

I dont see Horse Greeley doing much

oracle80 10-10-2006 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
well im seeing a girl again, so thats not so bad. I just have to remind myself not to bring up the A word.

I dont see Horse Greeley doing much

Should I remind you of the grade one winners you declared would never win one? You are a mush in reverse on these things, and this horse just received a huge push with your statement. Never in my life have i seen anyone declare so many horses as bums who went on to win Grade ones, you have no peers in that category. Your opinion on these matters is just horrendous.

lemoncrush 10-10-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
We have a monster out here called E.Z. Warrior.He just started working again yesterday.He had some sort of minor problem that took him out of training for a while.He simply teased Great Hunter back in early July.Multiple gears.That Zayad guy paid God knows how much for this horse,and Baffert trains.Baffert didn't really want to run him that day(because he drew the 1 hole.)He and the owner agreed to find out exactly how good he was(by seeing if he could win despite the 1 hole.)Horse had to wait behind traffic,and then made a huge push button move through traffic.Great Hunter came up to his outside(with a big wide move,)and E.Z. Warrior toyed with him before easily drawing off.Maybe we will see him in the HWD Futurity.Same owner as Point Ashley.The guy has some major jak.

I'm glad EZ warrior is getting back to working. I saw that race, and he looked fantastic. The fact he was off for so long, I wasn't sure if he was injured, or what.
Speaking of Baffert 2-yo, I really liked Enforcement last year before he was injured. He's been back on the worktab for awhile now, and I assume he'll run before Santa Anita ends.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-10-2006 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Balletto
E.Z. Warrior was bred to be a good 2yo by Exploit out of a stakes-placed sprinting Carson City mare. He could be a factor later in the year but dont expect a Classic's type with him.


Yeah,that's right(Exploit.)He said that he trained Exploit,and that Exploit was no where near as talented as this horse(E.Z. WARRIOR.)10F could be a struggle.Maybe it's just me,but it seems like most horses with Carson City involved (in the breeding) are up against it (as far as getting 10f.)

Balletto 10-10-2006 02:32 PM

Actually, Carson City is a name I LOVE to see on the dam-side of a pedigree. He adds quality speed and versatility. His daughters are producing well when bred back to some stamina, ala Barbaro.

Honu 10-10-2006 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I'll take you on at a line of one graded stakes victory. If he wins one more it is a push, less than one you owe me a beer, more than one and I owe you a beer.

You got it , I drink Imports , no Coors Lite or Buttwiper.

SniperSB23 10-10-2006 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
You got it , I drink Imports , no Coors Lite or Buttwiper.

Me too. Cheers!

SCUDSBROTHER 10-10-2006 02:39 PM

Honu,what about blinks for H GREELEY?

Honu 10-10-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
I dont see it im still sore at Mandella over Listen Indy

Well you will be happy to know that Listen Indy has a great home now, a girl that used to work for Mike Stidahm has him now , she claimed him for 5000.00 at Lone Star, she is making a jumper and eventing horse out of him and says he is doing really well . I hope that helps you with your soreness.

Honu 10-10-2006 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Me too. Cheers!

Cheers big ears !!!!!! Same goes big nose........

Honu 10-10-2006 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Honu,what about blinks for H GREELEY?

I dont really think he needs them , he just needs to not get so mentally wound up about shyte, you know we stood him in the gate alot before this race and even the day of the race but still he screwed up and reared but only after the horse Solis was on delayed the start because he was laying on the pontoon and they couldnt get him to standup, then the horse to the outside of him fudged up and I think that is what set him off.
His family history has a pattern of stupidness from his mothers side, I have had the unfortunate pleasure of being around a few of his siblings and they never even made it to the races because they were to dumb or crazy.
The horse will be ok, maybe its a good thing he's not going to the breeders Cup, it might make him better for the first Sat. in May all things willing.

GPK 10-10-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
You got it , I drink Imports , no Coors Lite or Buttwiper.


Not even Rolling Rock???:D

Honu 10-10-2006 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Not even Rolling Rock???:D

You know the funny thing about Rolling Rock ( and its made about 50 miles from where I grew up) is that I had never tried it until about 1994 when I was in Denver . Its pretty good stuff and if I was going to drink a Pale Ale that would be my choice for sure. I Like Bass , Stella , New Castle, Spatan Optimater , Guiness of course, Boddingtons Pub Ale , and Nutty Brunette from B. J.'s brewhouse. I like color to my beer and more bang for my buck , pretty much if im gonna have to pee like a racehorse I want it to be worth it lol.

GPK 10-10-2006 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
You know the funny thing about Rolling Rock ( and its made about 50 miles from where I grew up) is that I had never tried it until about 1994 when I was in Denver . Its pretty good stuff and if I was going to drink a Pale Ale that would be my choice for sure. I Like Bass , Stella , New Castle, Spatan Optimater , Guiness of course, Boddingtons Pub Ale , and Nutty Brunette from B. J.'s brewhouse. I like color to my beer and more bang for my buck , pretty much if im gonna have to pee like a racehorse I want it to be worth it lol.


I knew you were from that area and figured for sure you would like that brew. I actually used to drink Rolling Rock and really enjoyed it.

Honu 10-10-2006 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I knew you were from that area and figured for sure you would like that brew. I actually used to drink Rolling Rock and really enjoyed it.

Hey if you are ever in Cali i need a golf lesson , I have a custom made set of clubs and the cute little outfit and everything. I have alot of power but my aim is a little off lol.

GPK 10-10-2006 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Hey if you are ever in Cali i need a golf lesson , I have a custom made set of clubs and the cute little outfit and everything. I have alot of power but my aim is a little off lol.


LOL...you women and them golf outfits...:rolleyes:

I can't say anything, I used to own 20+ pair of golf shoes:o ...but the price was too good to pass up...FREE:D

Honu 10-10-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
LOL...you women and them golf outfits...:rolleyes:

I can't say anything, I used to own 20+ pair of golf shoes:o ...but the price was too good to pass up...FREE:D

Dude I have golfing sandals, rubber cleats and all.:D


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