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jms62 07-14-2014 12:44 PM

More California Chrome Controversy
 
However this time I agree with Chrome's owners.

http://msn.foxsports.com/horse-racin...-racing-071414

Sightseek 07-14-2014 12:49 PM

$50k may be a little steep, but things are a little more expensive in CA...

OldDog 07-14-2014 01:06 PM

There'll be plenty of time for parading once he retires. In the meantime, the only parade CC should be in is a post parade.

letswastemoney 07-14-2014 01:19 PM

It's a shame fans won't get to see him at Del Mar.

But, wait for the season to end and if he goes back to Harris Farms for vacation after the Breeders' Cup. It's incredibly easy to get an appointment.

RockHardTen1985 07-14-2014 01:39 PM

Some people won't like this, but I hope this horse runs again and runs horribly. Has some minor non life threatening injury and never runs again. I think his owners are disgraceful. Like Letswastemoney says make an appointment and go see him, he did and got some great pics out of it.

knickslions2 07-14-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 986943)
Some people won't like this, but I hope this horse runs again and runs horribly. Has some minor non life threatening injury and never runs again. I think his owners are disgraceful. Like Letswastemoney says make an appointment and go see him, he did and got some great pics out of it.

Don't be a douchebag. Not the horses fault. Would love to see him be in top form and in the classsic.

RockHardTen1985 07-14-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 986944)
Don't be a douchebag. Not the horses fault. Would love to see him be in top form and in the classsic.

Of course its not horses fault, but what other way would there be to stick it to the owners?? Especially the guy with the cowboy hat who basicley told his wife to shut up on national TV.

jms62 07-14-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 986943)
Some people won't like this, but I hope this horse runs again and runs horribly. Has some minor non life threatening injury and never runs again. I think his owners are disgraceful. Like Letswastemoney says make an appointment and go see him, he did and got some great pics out of it.

Wishing an injury on an animal. You have outdone yourself. :zz:

OldDog 07-14-2014 02:17 PM

Any sticking it to the owners will be/has been done to themselves. He's a very talented colt who missed a TC by two lengths after winning six in a row. I just hope that he hasn't flamed out from the grind.

Danzig 07-14-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 986931)
However this time I agree with Chrome's owners.

http://msn.foxsports.com/horse-racin...-racing-071414

i do too. another of those damned if you do, damned if you don't things.
they paraded kelso at the track, he died the next day. a lot of people said 'well, they shouldn't have paraded him'. yeah, they wouldn't have if they thought the excitement would do the old boy in.

the owner has a point, it's not a like a person doing a visit. there are a lot more logistics involved with a horse.
they don't owe del mar. the track wanted to use him to boost their day, why shouldn't they share a bit of the extra windfall to cover expenses involved?

Danzig 07-14-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 986948)
Wishing an injury on an animal. You have outdone yourself. :zz:

consider the source...

Pants II 07-14-2014 02:32 PM

It didn't seem like the owner was going to be happy even with the 50k.

Oh poor you having to sign autographs. The horror.

my miss storm cat 07-14-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 986943)
Some people won't like this, but I hope this horse runs again and runs horribly. Has some minor non life threatening injury and never runs again. I think his owners are disgraceful. Like Letswastemoney says make an appointment and go see him, he did and got some great pics out of it.

I'm surprised at you for saying something so mean. I truly am.

Pants II 07-14-2014 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 986960)
I'm surprised at you for saying something so mean. I truly am.

It's his schtick to be over the top.

RHT aside...

I can't root for the horse due to the owners.

They are good for racing simply because they are the bad guys. They simply don't know or care that they are representing the sport.

Now that the Triple Crown is over it's going to be strictly talk for the next few months. Why are they constantly complaining? They are sitting on a gold mine.

They make me want to root for Shared Belief to stay healthy and become a super horse. Strictly for the simple fact that Coburn can't out-troll Rome.

RockHardTen1985 07-14-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 986960)
I'm surprised at you for saying something so mean. I truly am.

I guess it was 2 harsh, but there is a greater point I was trying to make.

my miss storm cat 07-14-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 986964)
It's his schtick to be over the top.

RHT aside...

I can't root for the horse due to the owners.

They are good for racing simply because they are the bad guys. They simply don't know or care that they are representing the sport.

Now that the Triple Crown is over it's going to be strictly talk for the next few months. Why are they constantly complaining? They are sitting on a gold mine.

They make me want to root for Shared Belief to stay healthy and become a super horse. Strictly for the simple fact that Coburn can't out-troll Rome.

I do understand, Coachie... the owners are idiots.

I will always root for the horse though.

Re RHT... I know some have had problems with him but the guy has never been anything but polite to me (and I don't recall him ever saying anything so negative directed at any horse so I am hopeful he didn't mean it and was having a bad moment or something).

my miss storm cat 07-14-2014 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 986965)
I guess it was 2 harsh, but there is a greater point I was trying to make.

Okay.

Pants II 07-14-2014 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 986967)
I do understand, Coachie... the owners are idiots.

I will always root for the horse though.

Re RHT... I know some have had problems with him but the guy has never been anything but polite to me (and I don't recall him ever saying anything so negative directed at any horse so I am hopeful he didn't mean it and was having a bad moment or something).

Yeah I like the horse but Coburn had one of the biggest meltdowns in sports on Belmont weekend.

Coming off a performance like that it's best to not whine about the cost of prancing your golden goose around the beach...especially after you've banked a couple million.

my miss storm cat 07-14-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 986969)
Yeah I like the horse but Coburn had one of the biggest meltdowns in sports on Belmont weekend.

Coming off a performance like that it's best to not whine about the cost of prancing your golden goose around the beach...especially after you've banked a couple million.

Absolutely.

He is an embarrassment.

Indian Charlie 07-14-2014 03:35 PM

People getting upset over typical redneck behavior is pretty funny.

Danzig 07-14-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 986971)
People getting upset over typical redneck behavior is pretty funny.

my dog caught and killed a half-grown squirrel. my son was mad. i said you can't get mad at a dog for being a dog.

Indian Charlie 07-14-2014 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 986973)
my dog caught and killed a half-grown squirrel. my son was mad. i said you can't get mad at a dog for being a dog.

Precisely.

People maybe are forgetting they are rednecks because they are wealthy.

OldDog 07-14-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 986973)
my dog caught and killed a half-grown squirrel. my son was mad. i said you can't get mad at a dog for being a dog.

WOOF!

ateamstupid 07-14-2014 05:11 PM

Seriously, screw these guys. I understand wanting to milk your cash cow, but have a little perspective. Owners pour tons of money into this industry with a terrible ROI praying to get a horse that popular. Trainers and barnhands work insane hours to get these animals fit enough to fill our racecards. Bettors and fans put their hard-earned cash through the windows to make the Triple Crown as big of a deal as it is. We all, in some way, keep the game alive so a bunch of craven rednecks like you can come along and get insanely lucky and make millions of dollars and invaluable exposure off a dirt cheap stallion and broodmare. At some point, the horse has to belong to the sport as much as it belongs to you. Most owners who end up with special horses are grateful enough to understand this. These self-centered cranks have proven beyond a doubt they are not.

Arletta 07-14-2014 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 986979)
Seriously, screw these guys. I understand wanting to milk your cash cow, but have a little perspective. Owners pour tons of money into this industry with a terrible ROI praying to get a horse that popular. Trainers and barnhands work insane hours to get these animals fit enough to fill our racecards. Bettors and fans put their hard-earned cash through the windows to make the Triple Crown as big of a deal as it is. We all, in some way, keep the game alive so a bunch of craven rednecks like you can come along and get insanely lucky and make millions of dollars and invaluable exposure off a dirt cheap stallion and broodmare. At some point, the horse has to belong to the sport as much as it belongs to you. Most owners who end up with special horses are grateful enough to understand this. These self-centered cranks have proven beyond a doubt they are not.

:tro:

cakes44 07-14-2014 05:43 PM

Would have been the most spectacular moment in recent TV history if he would have actually back-handed his wife when she was poking him during his post-Belmont interview. Not saying it would have been right, but he wasn't that far off, and it would have been part of TV lore for 50 years.

my miss storm cat 07-14-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 986983)
Would have been the most spectacular moment in recent TV history if he would have actually back-handed his wife when she was poking him during his post-Belmont interview. Not saying it would have been right, but he wasn't that far off, and it would have been part of TV lore for 50 years.

I am choking now! :D

helicopter11 07-14-2014 07:26 PM

Cant they get a California Chrome horse look-alike? Who would know the difference?

Aly-Sheba 07-14-2014 08:25 PM

Personally I think they can ask for what they want.
What's worse them asking for a 50k appearance fee or King Leatherbury asking for someone to put up his $100k to run in the Breeders Cup?

Merlinsky 07-14-2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 986997)
Personally I think they can ask for what they want.
What's worse them asking for a 50k appearance fee or King Leatherbury asking for someone to put up his $100k to run in the Breeders Cup?

You're kidding right? King wants to run a horse after getting the money. They want $50K to show their horse for a few minutes and thousands for themselves to sit in a tent and sign. Who would want their autographs after this attitude God only knows. If they wanted an appearance fee to come to Del Mar to run in a race, it'd be par for the course for horses at a certain level. Wooing with a bonus happens on occasion if a track is really interested in making it happen. If you don't want to parade your horse, say no and shut your piehole. Either it's too taxing or it isn't. $50K doesn't make it any easier on the horse, just on their pocket books. They've shown their true colors long ago. I don't see how anybody can give them the benefit of the doubt now. There was no recent loss of the Belmont to blame for the thought out statement made by Perry Martin.

Poor Art Sherman having to put up with these fools. People loved the story in the beginning, but they're a lot closer in temperament to owners we've wished would go away. It's a shame.

Here's Bobby Flay's comment on the situation: http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...ent-1483614937

Alabama Stakes 07-14-2014 10:16 PM

York Driving School. York Maine
 
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 986976)
Precisely.

People maybe are forgetting they are rednecks because they are wealthy.


they are not, nor will ever be wealthy. they might have a little money now, but wealthy is what the Vanderbilts, Whitneys, Phipps" are. do not confuse money with wealth.

Squirrels - enemy of the homeowner. good dog.

herkhorse 07-15-2014 07:08 AM


Big Peps 07-15-2014 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 986976)
Precisely.

People maybe are forgetting they are rednecks because they are wealthy.

Yep, lots of rednecks with money and no class, these guys are two of them. Disgrace to the sport, they just are. The behavior since the Belmont loss is deplorable. Either go to Delmar or don't but shut your trap.

Straight out of Yuba City

Seattleallstar 07-15-2014 07:21 AM

CC owner's thoughts and sentiments are fine and valid, but these are things you just don't blurt out in public. If they had a problem with Del Mar they should of taken it up with them privately, before going off again. This is part of the attitude that got him so popular in the first place, now its turning against him, making him look ungrateful and petty.

Gate Dancer 07-15-2014 07:28 AM

I have the ability to separate the horse from the owners............hard not to admire the horse AND the trainer. It's just a shame (and a lesson) that the owners don't seem to get it. Fine, you want a couple of bucks to drive the horse down, I'm sure something could have been discussed behind closed doors to settle things (Flay had it right). No, I can't imagine what it would be like to have had the highs and lows associated with Chrome. But I have to believe I would have been much more thankful and appreciative of the ride. I shudder to think what we would have been subjected to if Chrome had pulled it off. Adversity reveals character and it is apparent these guys have to reach up to get to the gutter. Since the horse can't talk we are subjected to the owners being the mouthpiece, which makes it awfully hard to root for Chrome. You can bet that if CC crushes in the Goodwood and makes it to the Breeders Cup we are going to be subjected to media overload regarding Coburn. We'll see if he's learned anything............or it could get real ugly! The story should be the horse and his accomplishments, he couldn't pick who his owners were going to be. Safe travels CC.

OldDog 07-15-2014 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gate Dancer (Post 987011)
I have the ability to separate the horse from the owners............hard not to admire the horse AND the trainer. It's just a shame (and a lesson) that the owners don't seem to get it. Fine, you want a couple of bucks to drive the horse down, I'm sure something could have been discussed behind closed doors to settle things (Flay had it right). No, I can't imagine what it would be like to have had the highs and lows associated with Chrome. But I have to believe I would have been much more thankful and appreciative of the ride. I shudder to think what we would have been subjected to if Chrome had pulled it off. Adversity reveals character and it is apparent these guys have to reach up to get to the gutter. Since the horse can't talk we are subjected to the owners being the mouthpiece, which makes it awfully hard to root for Chrome. You can bet that if CC crushes in the Goodwood and makes it to the Breeders Cup we are going to be subjected to media overload regarding Coburn. We'll see if he's learned anything............or it could get real ugly! The story should be the horse and his accomplishments, he couldn't pick who his owners were going to be. Safe travels CC.

Well said.

Pants II 07-15-2014 07:52 AM

Now Flay is in the mix.

I forgot to address this...

The owner said he was a racehorse. Well since he likes talking so much head...why is this "racehorse" scheduled for just 2 more races this year excluding the hilarious Japan Cup?

RocksLocks 07-15-2014 08:16 AM

These guys were thrown into the spotlight and they are OBVIOUSLY ill-prepared for the attention. They need to step back and let the horse do their talking for them.

pucknut 07-15-2014 09:28 AM

christian in front with the breather strip says it all
we are judged by the company we keep
and how we handle adversity

Indian Charlie 07-15-2014 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 987000)
they are not, nor will ever be wealthy. they might have a little money now, but wealthy is what the Vanderbilts, Whitneys, Phipps" are. do not confuse money with wealth.

Squirrels - enemy of the homeowner. good dog.

What's with the York, Maine thing?

You knew what I meant by wealthy.


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