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Ok so as expected, James has opted out of his deal. What happens next? My leading guess is that Wade and Bosh do the same and the Heat gets Anthony. If that doesn't happen, I think it's Houston or possibly the Clippers. Can anyone tell me why Philly is not a good choice? They have the space to get James and Anthony and adding those two to a team with Carter-Williams and Noel, along with two top ten picks, would instantly make that team the heavy favorite in the East. If Cleveland or Milwaukee takes Embiid, that means Philly could add Parker or Wiggins. If. Parker and Wiggins are gone, Philly would be a great team to take a shot with Embiid cause they could bring him along very slow. Maybe add a guy like McDermott with the 10th pick. What is it that I'm missing with this Philly scenario?

How about trading one of those picks in a package for Love?

Starting five:

carter Williams
LeBron
Carmelo
noel
Love

No? could they make the cap space work?

Well, for starters, we're Philadelphia, and $hit like this doesn't happen to us. :D


I've been saying "why not us" for the Lebron Sweepstakes since MCW emerged onto the scene early on in the season. All I ever hear as an answer is "we're too small of a market" (which grinds my gears).

This truly is a "make or break" moment for the 10,9,8,76ers. We need to walk away from the draft tomorrow (where we have 1/10th of the league's picks) with two studs. I don't care what "they" say, I want one of the top 3 guys with the 3rd overall pick and I would love any of Smart, McDermott, Stauskas, or Gordon with the 2nd first round pick.

Fingers crossed.

That's a pretty hilariously bad deal the Mavericks just made for Tyson Chandler and Raymond Fatman. Why would they give up both Calderon and Larkin? Oh and two picks in the deepest draft since 2003!

http://grantland.com/features/nba-dr...t-repick-1995/

LOL'd at the Thabeet reference in his rankings system.

Houston has traded Asik.

I think the James odds are:

Miami with Melo 2/5
Houston 6/1
LA Clippers 10/1
Dallas and Philly 12/1
Miami w/o Melo 20/1

Because James isnt going to put his future in the hands of a rookie who faded pretty badly towards the end of the season last year, and non-existent bench and Noel's knee.

They'd need to trade Thad Young and both picks to get love. That would leave them extremely thin with a huge question mark in Noel's knee. IMO this has no chance of happening but if it did I could see James and Bosh coming as opposed to getting Love. I'd rather see them have CW, James, Carmelo, Bosh, Noel, Young and some combination of Smart-Exum-Stakukus-McDermott-Harsis with the 4th pick.

I have no idea if they could do this with cap space since LeBron, Bish and Carmello would all be asked to take less than max.

They are trying to contend right away while Dirk is still standing. While fatboy was pretty horrible last year he'd be in a backup role here and Chandler is a far better player than Dalambert. The picks are 2nd rounders which are longshots and won't likely help right away which is what they are playing for. The jury is still out on whether Larkin can play especially since that pretty nasty injury. I mean they have to give up something for Chandler

I think pretty highly of Carter-Williams. I think he's more of a guy that can handle the ball than he is a natural point guard. Having guys like Melo and James there would get him much better looks and cut out a lot of the bad shots. He's already a pretty decent defender. I feel like he'd be a huge upgrade from Cole and Chalmers. I doubt even you would disagree with me that Anthony would be an upgrade over Wade at this point. So the question is would you rather have Anderson and Bosh or Noel and Embiid? I'd take the latter. I think lowest projections would say Noel and Embiid could get you 20-15 and the potenti is there for more. Bosh and Anderson already have hit their ceilings. At worst, Noel and Embiid could anchor the defensive middle. At best, you may be looking at 25-30 and 20 boards. Carter-Williams can guard the point guards and shooting guards and so he and James could be interchangeable. With that 10th pick, go out and try to draft a shooter. A guy like McDermott may be available and he and Young alone make for a better bench than Miami has.

My thinking is that if Anthony goes to Chicago, they become the favorites in the East just like that. With the way Wade is fading fast, Miami has a hard time staying above Indiana. James could go West and if he joined either Houston or the Clippers, that team becomes the favorite in the West but the road is still tougher than the East. Short of Anthony coming to Miami, the best chance of James making repeated trips to the finals is if he and Melo joined up in Philly.

Unless......the Heat can be in play for Gasol and maybe Lowry.

Now this is a woefully bad trade. What is New Orleans thinking? The pick is only top 3 protected or past 19 which is highly unlikely NO will be that bad or that good. While adding Asik is a good basketball move per se, the cost to get him is extremely high considering the strength of the West and the unlikely chance that they are anything but 1st round fodder even if they make the playoffs.

Embiid isnt going to get you anything this year which matters. The lesson of San Antonio isnt lost on James I'm sure. It isnt just a "big 3" that matters, teams have to have depth as well especially since james is looking to reduce regular season minutes. Plus who knows if he has any faith in the Sixers coach as well? While I don't have any idea what will hapen I can guarantee that James is not going to go into any question mark situations

Also, they still have space to go after James or Anthony. Either might be a long shot but I think Chandler makes them more attractive. Worst case is they are a little better than last year and then Chandler's deal is off the books next year when Love and Aldridge are free agents.

Chicago has to do a lot of maneuvering to get Anthony. Just don't see that happening. I keep seeing Anthony to Houston in a sign and trade for Harden. Harden and Anthony are not compatible because essentially they are the same guy.

From what I've read, Embiid is out 4-6 months which would put him back on the court come December or January.

Yeah I dont see it as a bad deal for Dallas. They traded a redundant guy in Calderone, Chandler makes them better defensively right away and his deal is short term. The other pieces are just throw-ins for cap space reasons and the Knicks needing live, cheap bodies.

No way is Houston trading Harden for Anthony. The only way is if they also sign James. Chicago doesn't have to do much to make the room.

From what I read there is little to no chance for him to play this season because teams will want him to be completely healed.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/joel...tress-fracture


“The younger you are, the better you heal. He’s still a growing kid. There’s no guarantee. You’re talking about an NBA team with millions of dollars on the line. … The longer the fracture’s there, the longer it can take to heal. … If I didn’t need the kid the first year … he might be worth a chance.”

That is coming from a guy with no skin in the game. The GM that takes him will have his ass on the line. Even if Philly had some sort of home run sht at James there is no way they take a injured, project at 3 and he likely wont be there at 10

Yeah Chicago has to strip down the roster/ To sign him outright w/no sign and trade they'd
1. Amnesty Boozer
2. Trade both 1st rounders this year
3. Trade Dunleavy, Gibson, Smith and Snell
4. Waive Mike James, Amundson and R. Brewer
5. and depending on what Mirotic is doing Butler might have to be moved as well.

Except Harden is better, is 5 years younger and has the best beard ever.

Harden has a great beard and is younger but isnt better. Amazingly his defense was so atrocious that he made Anthony a plus defender in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmrxxqKhM-E

They would no doubt trade Harden for Anthony if it meant getting James too.

Younger is about it. If you asked every GM which they would rather have Anthony would be unanimous choice.

That's not true. You can have Harden for 10yrs or Melo for 4.

How many GM's expect to be around in 10 years?

If your Phil and its a money grab, I mean they paid Phil 50 million and have no real chance to win in the next 3-5 years. So if your Phil you trade Melo for Harden w/out hesitation.

I have always been kind of a closet Philly fan. I have a Sixers fitted. Loved Iverson and really started getting into NBA betting when I caught Philly moneyline game 1 vs the Lakers in the finals...Call it a redboard but I destroyed that game, I was way young and thought I was rich and lost most of it back... Anyway the point is with the picks they have had the last 2 years I believe its been 2 of the worst drafts EVER. They have basically put there entire franchise into Noel and Embid. I think its insane. Last night I take Exum at 3, then Randall, McDermott or the kid from Indiana.... Whoever slipped to me at 10. Horrible 2 years of drafting from them.

They can win quickly. And Phil got 60 million. Believe me he isnt looking 5 years down the road.

They drafted the rookie of the year last year. I'd say that wouldn't qualify it as one of the worst drafts ever.

While taking Noel and Embiid is risky they have huge upsides. Noel may never be anything more than a rim protector and rebounder and defensive player but those guys are valued in the league. Embiid is a huge risk but Exum is too condiering that there is very little actual game coverage of him against real competition and the other guys listed are likely just guys. They get Saric who potentially is a star next year or the year after, they also get back another #1 pick in 2017. So basically they got the draft and stash guy they were looking for AND recover draft picks. They obviously want to be big players in next years lottery and are seemingly looking at 2016 to start the push. Yeah it is gonna be another bad year but if they can get all these guys on the court relatively healthy in the near future there might be a real contender in there.

As expected, Bosh and Wade opted out and Haslem joined them.

I guess, but that rookie of year was on the trade block this week. With 4 top 10 picks in back to back drafts how are you not ready to win now? In decent drafts... One of those picks cant play for 2 years. One of them sat out a year already and the other is going to sit out a year now. I cant see how anyone can defend this. Things would have to work out perfectly from here on out, do you believe they will? Now you want fans to wait another year? Is this serious?

You know he was on the block, how? One of your insiders?


And nice retort to Chuck's dismantling of your bad opinion....I guess.

And us real fans will wait as long as it takes. Hinkie has been upfront since the beginning about it being a long, arduous process. There will be plenty of room for you to hop back on the wagon in a few years when they're one of the best defensive teams in the league and add a bonafide scorer or two.

The rookie of the year was on the imaginary trade block. They are trying to hit a home run instead of being the Hawks. The idea that 4 rookies would make up an immediate contender is silly regardless of who they are.

Is it a risk? Sure but after trading for Bynum they needed to blow things up and why be 35-47 and picking 8th when you can be 24-58 and pick 1st or 2nd?

:tro:

I loved what they did, because if it works out, the Sixers will be one of (if not THEE) most exciting team(s) in the league. Hell, i'm STOKED!

I respect Chuck and I think he knows that. Legler and Chris B discussed MCW being on the trade block last week and how rare it would be to trade a ROY the next year.

The ESPN guys just stir the pot with less than factual rumors to create "news" that they can report on and create content for their 5 channels and radio outlets. Virtually every NBA player is on the trade block all the time with few very notable exceptions.

Hell it looks like J Kidd is going to be traded to Milwaukee and he isnt even a player anymore

Also the fact that Saric got on a plane to take part in the draft and then stayed just to take part in the Sixers introductory press conference shows that he wont be staying in Turkey for long. Not to mention how big he looks especially compared to Grant who measured 6'8" at the combine. Perhaps it is just the angle but he looks closer to 7 feet and has SF skill level. What if he closer to Dirk than Turkoglu?


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...hilosophy.html


Again it might not work, Embiid and Noel might never be 100% again, Saric might get stuck over in Euroleagues, a lot of stuff needs to happen to make this a success story but at the very least it is an interesting way of trying to build a team from the absolute ground up.

The potential is huge though
A very quiet acquisition is Pierre Jackson who won't be an NBA star because of his size but who absolutely blitzed the D league last year and looks like a Patty Mills type of instant offense off of the bench.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/suns-to...163546302.html

Dave how do you feel about this?