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NTamm1215 06-17-2014 09:31 AM

Breeders' Cups: 2015 - KEE, 2016 - SA, 2017 - DMR
 
Louisville Courier-Journal reporting it:

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...land/10660883/

freddymo 06-17-2014 10:04 AM

Time for NYRA to stage their own show 4 weeks in advance of BC. Screw BC

iamthelurker 06-17-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 983246)
Time for NYRA to stage their own show 4 weeks in advance of BC. Screw BC

100% agree.

Mike A 06-17-2014 10:26 AM

Looks like this year Oct 18th already has few stakes races, maybe NYRA can add a few or change some dates ala Belmont Day, race wise that seemed to go very well

tanner12oz 06-17-2014 11:03 AM

assuming dates would be October 31 and November first correct?

booner 06-17-2014 12:20 PM

I have been there on Bluegrass Stakes Day with 27k and it was a madhouse. I realize that Keeneland will exhaust every resource to accommodate a larger crowd, but I'm going to stay home and watch this first one they will host. Hope all goes well and it is the first of many....

booner 06-17-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 983253)
assuming dates would be October 31 and November first correct?

October 30 & 31 are the Friday and Saturday dates in '15.

tanner12oz 06-17-2014 01:34 PM

this 100% confirmed? this works out much better then nov 6-7

ne to socal 06-17-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 983246)
Time for NYRA to stage their own show 4 weeks in advance of BC. Screw BC

Did NYRA submit a proposal/application? They didn't the last couple of years...

OldDog 06-17-2014 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 983266)
this 100% confirmed? this works out much better then nov 6-7

I have not been able to confirm this anywhere.

Aly-Sheba 06-17-2014 09:39 PM

Repole should be coming out of the wood work soon on this one!

booner 06-17-2014 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 983253)
assuming dates would be October 31 and November first correct?

Quote:

Originally Posted by booner (Post 983262)
October 30 & 31 are the Friday and Saturday dates in '15.

I stated this as being the dates for Friday and Saturday, not the official days for the BC. Personally, I would think they fit good right here. Make it the last weekend of the Keeneland fall meet, then CD picks up the following Thursday. Would make sense for all involved.

VOL JACK 06-18-2014 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by booner (Post 983261)
I have been there on Bluegrass Stakes Day with 27k and it was a madhouse. I realize that Keeneland will exhaust every resource to accommodate a larger crowd, but I'm going to stay home and watch this first one they will host. Hope all goes well and it is the first of many....

I do not see how they could possibly come close to accommodating 60,000 or more.

ghartman02 06-18-2014 09:22 AM

Unfortunately, I think they'll have to limit tickets, it's the only solution I see. If they put temporary seats on the apron, and beyond the Clubhouse, I don't think they should sell any General Admission. The other thing is I hope it doesn't rain. Most of the parking around Keeneland are grassy areas and a few years ago it rained a solid week, and it was tough to find parking. I think this could be a great event (more for TV than in person), so it'll be interesting.

OldDog 06-18-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 983298)
Let us know when you can confirm this.

You bet.

joeydb 06-18-2014 02:11 PM

Still waiting for Parx to get a Breeders' Cup.

Kidding of course - won't happen. I would go though if it did.

my miss storm cat 06-18-2014 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 983271)
I thought that one of the criticisms of past Breeders' Cups at Belmont was the attendance.

Now that the Cup weekend will be at Keeneland, that criticism cannot be used again.

Not being a smart ass here... my favorite BC was at Belmont and I am sad every year when it's announced it won't be there again... but I'm curious as to what other criticisms there were as I thought the only one was (for some people with no spine) it's too cold.

my miss storm cat 06-18-2014 06:24 PM

Oh and I forgot to say this SUCKS.

my miss storm cat 06-18-2014 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 983431)
From the Breeders' Cup site, the reported temperatures for the four Belmont Park BC days were 43, 66, 50, and 46.

(I did not look at the Almanac for wind, which can be a factor, but I recall the last three days.)

The 50-degree day was comfortable enough, I thought, with abundant sunshine.

The last time was cold, no doubt.

Thank you for that.

I was more asking what the other criticisms were because of your wording...

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 983271)
I thought that one of the criticisms of past Breeders' Cups at Belmont was the attendance.

... but this was interesting. :)

NTamm1215 06-18-2014 09:27 PM

I've heard the attendance thing too with regard to Belmont, but that is ridiculous. There were more people at Belmont in 2001 and 2005 than there were on the Saturdays in 2003 (SA), 2004 (LS) and 2008 (SA). There were roughly the same amount there those days as there were in 2012 and 2013 at SA too.

my miss storm cat 06-18-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 983439)
I've heard the attendance thing too with regard to Belmont, but that is ridiculous. There were more people at Belmont in 2001 and 2005 than there were on the Saturdays in 2003 (SA), 2004 (LS) and 2008 (SA). There were roughly the same amount there those days as there were in 2012 and 2013 at SA too.

Well I don't get why they haven't tried to get it the past how ever many years but I sure hope that they do again cause it was the greatest.

helicopter11 06-18-2014 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 983246)
Time for NYRA to stage their own show 4 weeks in advance of BC. Screw BC

They could but can they really top the Breeders Cup in purses? It would hurt NYRA more than it would the Breeders Cup.

This years Belmont Stakes Card was stellar and at the appropriate time of the year.

parsixfarms 06-19-2014 08:15 AM

As much as I enjoy going to Keeneland, I am not a fan of the Breeders' Cup going to venues where there is heavy reliance upon temporary seating. In the past (Arlington and Lone Star, in particular), most attendees were denied access to the main track building, even when pricey seats were purchased. And it's not like Monmouth worked out well (although BC had no control over the weather). A November date in Kentucky is likely to come with pretty chilly weather, and if large numbers are fans are required to be outside in the elements all day, the customer experience is likely to be greatly diminished.

But on a positive note, I'm sure that it will look great on TV.

Cannon Shell 06-19-2014 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 983378)
Still waiting for Parx to get a Breeders' Cup.

Kidding of course - won't happen. I would go though if it did.

They'd take the races off the turf if there was a threat of rain or cancel races if it is "too cold"

GenuineRisk 06-19-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 983419)
Not being a smart ass here... my favorite BC was at Belmont and I am sad every year when it's announced it won't be there again... but I'm curious as to what other criticisms there were as I thought the only one was (for some people with no spine) it's too cold.

I think Steve has said that Breeders' Cup day is not usually a money maker for the track, so NYRA may not want the hassle. As a fan, and NY local, I also am disappointed it's not been here in a decade. :)

I went in 2005 and it was a great day. I didn't think it was cold, but I'm one of those who spends the day walking from the paddock to the window to the track, (repeat 12 times), so I was moving around which keeps you warm. The best part, though, was going out to the track early on Friday, to watch the last gallops and paddock schooling. Every time a horse came out with a purple BC saddle cloth, everyone would start whispering ("Who's that? Who's that?"). It was fun.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-19-2014 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 983452)
As much as I enjoy going to Keeneland, I am not a fan of the Breeders' Cup going to venues where there is heavy reliance upon temporary seating. In the past (Arlington and Lone Star, in particular), most attendees were denied access to the main track building, even when pricey seats were purchased. And it's not like Monmouth worked out well (although BC had no control over the weather). A November date in Kentucky is likely to come with pretty chilly weather, and if large numbers are fans are required to be outside in the elements all day, the customer experience is likely to be greatly diminished.

But on a positive note, I'm sure that it will look great on TV.

i was at arlington it was cold but in the temp seating i didnt have a problem getting food beer wagers .wagers 1/2 races before hand but thats expected on big days..cant wait for keeneland .was at s.a and churchill .sa was done very well..churchill was ok also..

Sightseek 06-19-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 983460)

I went in 2005 and it was a great day. I didn't think it was cold, but I'm one of those who spends the day walking from the paddock to the window to the track, (repeat 12 times), so I was moving around which keeps you warm. The best part, though, was going out to the track early on Friday, to watch the last gallops and paddock schooling. Every time a horse came out with a purple BC saddle cloth, everyone would start whispering ("Who's that? Who's that?"). It was fun.

This is how I spend my day as well. :) I hate seats and Belmont is such a great place if you enjoy walking about and being on the apron and paddock. I enjoyed the BC at Churchill, but my one strong criticism of the experience is that they don't open the track in the mornings for the week prior to the event. I haven't been to Santa Anita, but being able to watch the works every morning at Clockers' Corner sounds really grand.

HPFridays 06-19-2014 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 983419)
Not being a smart ass here... my favorite BC was at Belmont and I am sad every year when it's announced it won't be there again... but I'm curious as to what other criticisms there were as I thought the only one was (for some people with no spine) it's too cold.

I heard/read somewhere that NYRA no longer tries for the BC due partly to the date now coinciding with the NYC Marathon.

GenuineRisk 06-19-2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HPFridays (Post 983471)
I heard/read somewhere that NYRA no longer tries for the BC due partly to the date now coinciding with the NYC Marathon.

Well then it's clear to me that the NY Marathon needs to pick a different Sunday. Having attended both, the Breeders Cup is much more entertaining.

Stickhorse 06-20-2014 07:51 AM

Is Repole still crying in his Vitamin Water about no BC?

Let's see. He already has the best race meet of the year in Saratoga. Now Super Belmont Day looks like it has made its mark. Give it a rest.


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