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Kasept 04-17-2014 07:45 AM

Kentucky Oaks draws 13
 
Oaks Probables:

1. Untapable
2. Sugar Shock
3. Fashion Plate
4. My Miss Sophia
5. Rosalind
6. Got Lucky
7. Aurelia’s Belle
8. Ria Antonia
9. Kiss Moon
10. Unbridled Forever
11. Thank You Marylou
12. Empress of Midway
13. Please Explain

VOL JACK 04-17-2014 07:57 AM

WOW. Without going over the pp.'s, I thought Thank You Marylou and Unbridled Forever would be 2 of the top 5 betting choices.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-17-2014 04:58 PM

Anyone have the early P.P.'s ????? :D

bare it all 04-17-2014 06:07 PM

House Rules planning to go?

Kasept 04-17-2014 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 973547)
Oaks Probables:

1. Untapable
2. Sugar Shock
3. Fashion Plate
4. In Tune
5. My Miss Sophia
6. Rosalind
7. Euphrosyne
8. Room Service
9. Got Lucky
10. Aurelia’s Belle
11. Ria Antonia
12. Kiss Moon
13. Fiftyshadesofgold
14. Unbridled Forever


Desired Possibles (In order of preference):

15. Sweet Reason
16. Thank You Marylou
17. Empress of Midway


BRIS PP'S:
http://www.brisnet.com/brisnet_promo...4PointsPPs.pdf

tywizard 04-17-2014 09:45 PM

Projected ML for this field?

philcski 04-17-2014 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tywizard (Post 973702)
Projected ML for this field?

Untapable 2
Sugar Shock 10
Fashion Plate 10
Awesome Baby 15
In Tune 12
My Miss Sophia 8
Rosalind 6
Euphrosyne 30
Room Service 20
Got Lucky 20
Aurelia's Belle 30
House Rules 15
Ria Antonia 12
Kiss Moon 30

philcski 04-17-2014 10:12 PM

First time I've seen all the pp's on the same page and man there is a lot of speed in there. The very versatile Rosalind could be the beneficiary.

cakes44 04-18-2014 01:01 AM

Yeah tough deal for the MASTER. And by the MASTER, I mean Dallas Stewart,

Gate Dancer 04-18-2014 07:35 AM

Not that I want this but, has there ever been any talk of expanding the Oaks field to the 20 that the Derby has? Just curious..............

Danzig 04-18-2014 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer (Post 973712)
Not that I want this but, has there ever been any talk of expanding the Oaks field to the 20 that the Derby has? Just curious..............

Hope not

Id rather the derby field shrink than the oaks expand

RockHardTen1985 04-18-2014 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 973705)
Untapable 2
Sugar Shock 10
Fashion Plate 10
Awesome Baby 15
In Tune 12
My Miss Sophia 8
Rosalind 6
Euphrosyne 30
Room Service 20
Got Lucky 20
Aurelia's Belle 30
House Rules 15
Ria Antonia 12
Kiss Moon 30

No possible chance Rosiland is lower then Sophia.

philcski 04-18-2014 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 973742)
No possible chance Rosiland is lower then Sophia.

If Battaglia recognizes what even the most rudimentary handicapper will that the pace will be insane in this race she will be lower.

Sophia will be up the track.

Alabama Stakes 04-18-2014 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 973708)
Yeah tough deal for the MASTER. And by the MASTER, I mean Dallas Stewart,

I'm more help to a hoss sitting here. Master of what ?

Thunder Gulch 04-18-2014 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 973706)
First time I've seen all the pp's on the same page and man there is a lot of speed in there. The very versatile Rosalind could be the beneficiary.

Agree. And Got Lucky can get a piece on the back. Last year I was absolutely convinced a meltdown was coming and Princess would benefit. Unfortunately I didn't know how great Beholder was at the time, figuring she would be one of the ones that faded to the middle of the pack.

Alan07 04-18-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer (Post 973712)
Not that I want this but, has there ever been any talk of expanding the Oaks field to the 20 that the Derby has? Just curious..............

don't think there's enough room to put the aux gate on the oval (remember the outer rail bends back to accommodate the gate for the 1 1/4 distance.

jms62 04-18-2014 02:39 PM

Last year Andy sent out the Golden Tweet. Orb was my #1 in the Derby and Andy sent out a tweet stating that he thought the pace would melt in the Oaks and gave 3 horses including Princess. Put a $20 Saver Oaks/Derby Double on the 3 and Orb at the last second. Looking for the Golden Tweet again. Yes this is a redboard but I have shown enough beatdowns in the Selctions thread to get a pass. ;)

RockHardTen1985 04-18-2014 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 973749)
If Battaglia recognizes what even the most rudimentary handicapper will that the pace will be insane in this race she will be lower.

Sophia will be up the track.

Im not saying I like her or disagree with you about the pace, but it seems like you based your morning line off how you think the race will actually be run, and thats with a ton of speed. I dont think Sophia will be up the track, she is very talented. I think Got Lucky has a giant shot with a big pace in front of her.

RockHardTen1985 04-18-2014 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 973813)
Last year Andy sent out the Golden Tweet. Orb was my #1 in the Derby and Andy sent out a tweet stating that he thought the pace would melt in the Oaks and gave 3 horses including Princess. Put a $20 Saver Oaks/Derby Double on the 3 and Orb at the last second. Looking for the Golden Tweet again. Yes this is a redboard but I have shown enough beatdowns in the Selctions thread to get a pass. ;)

While we are talking about Andy, he seemed to love Sophia last time. I think he said a few times that she could be Untapable's main competition.

philcski 04-21-2014 09:49 AM

House Rules not going to run, so Fiftyshadesofgold looks to draw in.

Kasept 04-22-2014 08:18 AM

Euphrosyne passes on Oaks. Gyarmati-Treadway now in with Sweet Reason if they want in. Thank You Marylou next on deck and Ramsey desperate to get in with Mrs. Whitney tribute filly.

RockHardTen1985 04-23-2014 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 974492)
Euphrosyne passes on Oaks. Gyarmati-Treadway now in with Sweet Reason if they want in. Thank You Marylou next on deck and Ramsey desperate to get in with Mrs. Whitney tribute filly.

They should get in with Thank You Marylou. Nothing about Sweet Reasons races this year say she is even competitive in this race. She is a really nice filly, going 1 turn. They should do right by her.

GPK 04-23-2014 11:07 PM

I know I'm out of the loop, but did they move the Oaks to Thursday?

-BT- 04-23-2014 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 974652)
I know I'm out of the loop, but did they move the Oaks to Thursday?

(shaking head)

this whole no otb in Roanoke is killing you aint it?

it's still friday

-bt-

GPK 04-23-2014 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974653)
(shaking head)

this whole no otb in Roanoke is killing you aint it?

it's still friday

-bt-

But Byk has it as 5/1 and isn't that Thursday?

-BT- 04-24-2014 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 974654)
But Byk has it as 5/1 and isn't that Thursday?

touche


-bt-

tywizard 04-25-2014 04:33 AM

In Tune has been withdrawn.

Sightseek 04-25-2014 07:30 AM

Room Service will not run in the Oaks, will stay on grass.

FATPIANO 04-25-2014 09:14 AM

my Favorite Bet is the Oaks/Derby Double , it can be a great score

Rosalind is the horse to beat in the Oaks

RockHardTen1985 04-25-2014 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 974781)
my Favorite Bet is the Oaks/Derby Double , it can be a great score

Rosalind is the horse to beat in the Oaks

Im not using Untapable, Im going to try to beat her. But she is clearly the horse to beat. She is the fastest 3yr old in the country right now. Rosalind is a definite use for me though.

RockHardTen1985 04-25-2014 05:47 PM

Steve will the OAKs day pps be out Monday or Tuesday?
Is there definitely the Oaks-Woodford-Derby pick 3?
Thanks

Kasept 04-25-2014 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 974940)
Steve will the OAKs day pps be out Monday or Tuesday? Is there definitely the Oaks-Woodford-Derby pick 3?
Thanks

Oaks card draws Tuesday; Derby card draws Wednesday.

KO-WR-KD P3 definitely being offered: http://www.churchilldowns.com/racing...mes-wager-menu

Kasept 04-26-2014 06:16 AM

Bret Calhoun tells Zoe Cadman he's leaning towards Eight Belles with Fiftyshadesofgold..

Kasept 04-26-2014 06:19 AM

Oaks Probables:

1. Untapable
2. Sugar Shock
3. Fashion Plate
4. My Miss Sophia
5. Rosalind
6. Got Lucky
7. Aurelia’s Belle
8. Ria Antonia
9. Kiss Moon
10. Unbridled Forever
11. Thank You Marylou
12. Empress of Midway
13. Please Explain

RockHardTen1985 04-27-2014 08:24 PM

My Oaks thoughts.........
 
Untapable—X. Clearly the horse to beat, but I’ll try to beat her. She’s going to be 7-5 or lower vs a big field. She will be singled on 80% of the 2 day pick 3 tickets, that’s all Im looking to play Friday. If she wins I’ll be back for Saturday, if she gets beat I should be setup on some solid tickets.
Sugar Shock—X. Seems like one of many potential speeds, seems a bit slow to me. She might also have distance limitations as she lugged out badly 2 back.
Fashion Place—X. Another speed horse, she has gotten away with murder 2 starts in a row. Even if she was the loan speed I would not cover. Nothing wrong w/ a dual G1 winner, but she is not for me.
My Miss Sophia—A. Potential superstar. Has to improve to beat the top horse, but they all do. She feels like the 1 filly who can beat Untapable even if Untapable runs her good race.
Rosalind—B. I think she is clearly a better synthetic horse. She got a wicked pace in the BC Juvy Fillies, she should have blown by the leaders and kinda just plugged along. I don’t love her, but I think she gets the same pace again, and she’s doing well right now off of the big Keeneland dead heat. I think she was clearly best in that dead heat as Joel moved her early.
Got Lucky—A. On paper she’s not good enough. I get it, but I see excuses in her last 2. Both races were pace less, both races she appears to be getting scrubbed on early, both races she comes running a little for second. On paper the Oaks fast should be quick and she can be a player late. She’s like Rosalind w/ more upside.
Aurelias Belle—X. Consistent runner, another who is better on synthetics. Her dirt races are simply not good enough. If she was going 1st time dirt I would give her a look at 20-1, but she’s already proven to be just mediocre on dirt.
Ria Antonia—X. The worst BC Juvy Fillies winner ever, actually ran well last time out chasing an easy leader. Shes just not that good, even the GOAT cant get her home in this race.
Kiss Moon—X. Only 1 bad career race, but just seems overmatched to me. Working well, if I played in race exotics I would use her underneath.
Fiftyshadesofgold—X. Another speed horse. She would be much better off in the 8 Belles earlier on the card. I would give her a long look in that race on the cutback against the defending 2yr old filly champ.
Unbridled Forever—B. Not a fan of her trainer, but a huge fan of this filly. Her mom won this race at a huge price, not that that matters. Should sit a perfect trip as an overlay, everyone but the top 2 will be overlays in this race.
Thank You Marylou—X. Her trainer comes off a horrible Keeneland meet. She looks like a closing sprinter to me. Like We Miss Artie on Saturday I don’t think she belongs in this race, but is in because of her trainer and owner.
Empress Of Midway—X. She could be very talented, but this is asking a lot to soon. She is also another 1 who will be up on the pace.

A’s----- My Miss Sophia and Got Lucky
B’s----- Rosalind and Unbridled Forever
X's----- Everyone else

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-28-2014 04:38 AM

nice write up ....... I agree with your points :)

RockHardTen1985 04-28-2014 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 975467)
nice write up ....... I agree with your points :)

Good Luck this weekend.

Thunder Gulch 04-28-2014 08:33 AM

Been trying to make the case for Got Lucky moving forward. I think the pace will definitely be to her liking.

robfla 04-28-2014 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arizonadave (Post 975493)
any idea what the weather will be like on Friday-Saturday?


http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USKY1096


Fri May 2
Cloudy
63°
45°
Cloudy
Chance of rain:
10%
Wind:
WSW at 13 mph


Sat May 3
Partly Cloudy
65°
44°
Chance of rain:
10%

Wind:
WSW at 12 mph

zippyneedsawin 04-29-2014 06:51 AM

CD PR tweeted that Tom Proctor is entering Please Explain in the Oaks.


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