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Kasept 04-16-2014 02:37 PM

4/19 (CT): Charles Town Classic (G2), 5 undercard stakes
 
7th (7:45) Webb Snyder Charles Town Dash S.

4 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Uncle Todd Almodovar G 117 L
2 Star Harbour Garcia M 122 L
3 Poison Apple Pilares C P 117 L
4 Immortal Eyes Dunkelberger T L 124 L
5 Wizwit Rodriguez V 117 L



8th (8:15) Original Gold S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Ok Listen Up Villegas J 123 L
2 Penguin Heart Bocachica A 123 L
3 Raining Royalty Batista A X 123 L
4 Margaret High Ho W 123 L
5 Down Town Allen McGowan M C 123 L
6 Drink Responsibly Montano J 123 L
7 Autumn Affair Sanchez Jesus 123 L
8 Kluvyabye Whittaker D 123 L
9 Queen'o'daball Lopez A 123 L
10 Stuck Like Glue Crews K 123 L
AE Flirting Song Castro C L 123 L



9th (8:45) Confucius Say S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Rock Buster Villegas J 123 L
2 Late Caller Carrasco V R 116 Blk-On L
3 Figpenn Perez X 123 L
4 In the Fairway Montano J 123 L
5 Mister Brass McGowan M C 123 L
6 Perfect Cross Maldonado R 123 L
7 Paco Smart Batista L A 123 L
8 Wise Mac Acosta J D 123 L
9 Allegheny Jack Dunkelberger T L 123 L



10th (9:15) Robert Hilton Memorial S. presented by Budweiser S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Only I Know Ramgeet A R 118 FTL
2 Elevated Russell S 123 L
3 Rise Up Goncalves L R 123 L
4 Black Fighter (AZE) Jimenez A 118 L
5 Pure Habit Flores O 118 L
6 Cutty Shark Montano J 118 L
7 Open the Bank Batista L A 118 L
8 Germaniac Acosta J D 123 L
9 Interchange Carrasco V R 118 L



11th (9:45) Sugar Maple S. presented by CANTER Mid-Atlantic S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Wardelle Acosta J D 118 L
2 My Pal Chrisy Rosario J 120 L
3 Quiet Success Goncalves L R 120 L
4 Prize Winner Montano J 118 L
5 More Than a Cruise Pimentel J 123 L
6 Rusticana Pilares C P 118 L
7 Kalambaka Queen Lopez A 118 L
8 Flattering Bea Cruise G 118 L
9 Saturday Suprise Dunkelberger T L 118 L
10 Saturday Nthe Park Desormeaux K J 120 L
AE La Grey Zuliana Karamanos H A 120 L



12th (10:30) Charles Town Classic S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,500,000

1 Clubhouse Ride Baze T C 118 L
2 Moreno Rosario J 118 L
3 Game On Dude Smith M E 123 L
4 Ruler of Love Montano J 118 L
5 Long River Ortiz I Jr 118 L
6 Lucy's Bob Boy Bocachica A 118 L
7 Imperative Desormeaux K J 118 L

Sightseek 04-16-2014 03:18 PM

No Russell Road?

How about Immortal Eyes making his 4th start in the Webb Snyder?

RockHardTen1985 04-16-2014 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 973506)
7th (7:45) Webb Snyder Charles Town Dash S.

4 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Uncle Todd Almodovar G 117 L
2 Star Harbour Garcia M 122 L
3 Poison Apple Pilares C P 117 L
4 Immortal Eyes Dunkelberger T L 124 L
5 Wizwit Rodriguez V 117 L



8th (8:15) Original Gold S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Ok Listen Up Villegas J 123 L
2 Penguin Heart Bocachica A 123 L
3 Raining Royalty Batista A X 123 L
4 Margaret High Ho W 123 L
5 Down Town Allen McGowan M C 123 L
6 Drink Responsibly Montano J 123 L
7 Autumn Affair Sanchez Jesus 123 L
8 Kluvyabye Whittaker D 123 L
9 Queen'o'daball Lopez A 123 L
10 Stuck Like Glue Crews K 123 L
AE Flirting Song Castro C L 123 L



9th (8:45) Confucius Say S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $50,000

1 Rock Buster Villegas J 123 L
2 Late Caller Carrasco V R 116 Blk-On L
3 Figpenn Perez X 123 L
4 In the Fairway Montano J 123 L
5 Mister Brass McGowan M C 123 L
6 Perfect Cross Maldonado R 123 L
7 Paco Smart Batista L A 123 L
8 Wise Mac Acosta J D 123 L
9 Allegheny Jack Dunkelberger T L 123 L



10th (9:15) Robert Hilton Memorial S. presented by Budweiser S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Only I Know Ramgeet A R 118 FTL
2 Elevated Russell S 123 L
3 Rise Up Goncalves L R 123 L
4 Black Fighter (AZE) Jimenez A 118 L
5 Pure Habit Flores O 118 L
6 Cutty Shark Montano J 118 L
7 Open the Bank Batista L A 118 L
8 Germaniac Acosta J D 123 L
9 Interchange Carrasco V R 118 L



11th (9:45) Sugar Maple S. presented by CANTER Mid-Atlantic S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Wardelle Acosta J D 118 L
2 My Pal Chrisy Rosario J 120 L
3 Quiet Success Goncalves L R 120 L
4 Prize Winner Montano J 118 L
5 More Than a Cruise Pimentel J 123 L
6 Rusticana Pilares C P 118 L
7 Kalambaka Queen Lopez A 118 L
8 Flattering Bea Cruise G 118 L
9 Saturday Suprise Dunkelberger T L 118 L
10 Saturday Nthe Park Desormeaux K J 120 L
AE La Grey Zuliana Karamanos H A 120 L



12th (10:30) Charles Town Classic S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,500,000

1 Clubhouse Ride Baze T C 118 L
2 Moreno Rosario J 118 L
3 Game On Dude Smith M E 123 L
4 Ruler of Love Montano J 118 L
5 Long River Ortiz I Jr 118 L
6 Lucy's Bob Boy Bocachica A 118 L
7 Imperative Desormeaux K J 118 L


Hard for me not to LOVE Long River, especially with the presence of Moreno in here. Hopefully he handles this odd track.

10 pnt move up 04-16-2014 03:57 PM

Weird scratch last week in a relatively paceless Ark race to go 22 and 44 with game on dude, unless he plans on rating. either way good luck to that. may have to find a closer in this spot.

philcski 04-16-2014 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 973519)
Weird scratch last week in a relatively paceless Ark race to go 22 and 44 with game on dude, unless he plans on rating. either way good luck to that. may have to find a closer in this spot.

Got sick on the ship, according to DRF.

http://www.drf.com/news/game-dude-fa...s-town-classic

helicopter11 04-16-2014 11:39 PM

1.5 million and only 7 show up?

10 pnt move up 04-17-2014 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 973531)
Got sick on the ship, according to DRF.

http://www.drf.com/news/game-dude-fa...s-town-classic

well still an interesting spot unless he is rating.

jms62 04-17-2014 01:55 PM

Clubhouse Ride is the Washington Generals of Horse Racing. Always there to get pasted by Game On Dude.

asudevil 04-17-2014 04:05 PM

:tro::tro:

tywizard 04-17-2014 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 973595)
Clubhouse Ride is the Washington Generals of Horse Racing. Always there to get pasted by Game On Dude.

I see him more as a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning backup. No pressure and still collect a nice check.

jms62 04-18-2014 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tywizard (Post 973698)
I see him more as a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning backup. No pressure and still collect a nice check.

Nice Check? Have you looked at his last 7 performances. Not many nice checks there unless you consider a 25K check along with a lot of whiffs good business. I would think they would collect more "Nice Checks" in the Optional Claiming/Claiming/Allowance ranks.

Alabama Stakes 04-18-2014 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 973595)
Clubhouse Ride is the Washington Generals of Horse Racing. Always there to get pasted by Game On Dude.


Fred Neal was awesome from half court. Meadowlark Lemon's hook shots off the glass from 35 feet were priceless. Loved watching them paste the Generals.

RockHardTen1985 04-18-2014 07:32 PM

Im using only Clubhouse Ride and Long River to end the pick 3 and 4. I think they will be offer value in multis as Dude and Moreno will be bet. There is also a cheap ChuckTown speed horse to run with those 2, pace she be super hot.

Rudeboyelvis 04-18-2014 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 973888)
Im using only Clubhouse Ride and Long River to end the pick 3 and 4. I think they will be offer value in multis as Dude and Moreno will be bet. There is also a cheap ChuckTown speed horse to run with those 2, pace she be super hot.

Agree - I may fish for a price with Joan Scott's entry Ruler of Love as well - race 2 back was good enough here, 2nd off and can sit a trip - just don't know if he's getting 3 turns, but will be well north of the 20-1 morning line and not without a prayer.

-BT- 04-19-2014 09:37 PM

YES!!!!
 
get to hear Kent talk about how he's the greatest that is, and ever was..........



KABOOM!!!!!

*side note, must be nice to be Mike Smith, to take 1 mount a day at different tracks as the odds-on chalk and not win.......must be the equivalent of retirement for a jockey

-bt-

cakes44 04-20-2014 07:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOu_LF60ETQ


An all-time classic race call.

Revidere 04-20-2014 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974197)
get to hear Kent talk about how he's the greatest that is, and ever was..........



KABOOM!!!!!

*side note, must be nice to be Mike Smith, to take 1 mount a day at different tracks as the odds-on chalk and not win.......must be the equivalent of retirement for a jockey

-bt-

Because no other rider loses with an odds on horse.

Wouldn't throw dirt on Smitty just yet. Second in money won this year, over 13 million last year and averaging about $ 30,000 every time he gets into the gate. Oh, in about a third of the rides of Castellano, Rosario, Bejarano et al.

-BT- 04-20-2014 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 974228)
Because no other rider loses with an odds on horse.

Wouldn't throw dirt on Smitty just yet. Second in money won this year, over 13 million last year and averaging about $ 30,000 every time he gets into the gate. Oh, in about a third of the rides of Castellano, Rosario, Bejarano et al.

well, he get's not only grade 1 mounts but grade 1 horses in those races, so it's really no wonder he's making lots of money on them.
speaking of the 1/3 of the mounts as castellano, rosario and bejarano, yeah those guys are daily riders. Rarely do you see them at keeneland for ONE race, or chuck town for one race.
how many mounts did Smith have this weekend? 2?

-bt-

Revidere 04-20-2014 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974257)
well, he get's not only grade 1 mounts but grade 1 horses in those races, so it's really no wonder he's making lots of money on them.
speaking of the 1/3 of the mounts as castellano, rosario and bejarano, yeah those guys are daily riders. Rarely do you see them at keeneland for ONE race, or chuck town for one race.
how many mounts did Smith have this weekend? 2?

-bt-

Not sure how to interpret your post now. He is at the stage of his career where he is riding quality not quantity. Just like every rider his age has done. Also winning at a 21% clip.

RockHardTen1985 04-20-2014 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974257)
well, he get's not only grade 1 mounts but grade 1 horses in those races, so it's really no wonder he's making lots of money on them.
speaking of the 1/3 of the mounts as castellano, rosario and bejarano, yeah those guys are daily riders. Rarely do you see them at keeneland for ONE race, or chuck town for one race.
how many mounts did Smith have this weekend? 2?

-bt-

This is silly and uninformed. Just like your signature of a bet I posted 6hrs in advance. Keep up the good work though and Happy Easter.

-BT- 04-20-2014 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 974278)
This is silly and uninformed. Just like your signature of a bet I posted 6hrs in advance. Keep up the good work though and Happy Easter.

you ...... really need to stay out of conversations, like ALL conversations.

My point to Revidere was that he's riding quality, exactly. But, he's not winning on these quality mounts, at least he didn't this past weekend at Keeneland and Chuck Town. He's gift wrapped mounts on the best horses, unlike a lot out there. When he doesn't win i think people should be allowed to scrutinize, b/c he get's horse quality like none other out there

-bt-

cakes44 04-20-2014 04:22 PM

Obviously the guy can ride as evidenced by being in the HOF. But on a Thursday claimer with a horse that isn't a dead closer or hell-bent on the lead, I can think of 15-18 riders I'd rather have on my bet.

10 pnt move up 04-20-2014 07:16 PM

Ride as little as possible to make as much as possible.......when you can break your neck every time you ride a race it seems like the best possible situation for a rider?

Is the implication that Emollient or Game on Dude lost because of the ride?

Danzig 04-20-2014 07:48 PM

Id rather work just on big days...who wouldnt?

casp0555 04-20-2014 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 974363)
Id rather work just on big days...who wouldnt?

maybe less...if I could :D

Danzig 04-20-2014 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 974375)
maybe less...if I could :D

:)

No smith fan here, but he has paid his dues. Let the younger guys get the green horses in racing trim...

Like an old timer electrician told my husband years ago....you take all the calls. I need the rest, you need the experience.

-BT- 04-20-2014 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 974356)
Ride as little as possible to make as much as possible.......when you can break your neck every time you ride a race it seems like the best possible situation for a rider?

Is the implication that Emollient or Game on Dude lost because of the ride?

what are you talking about? are you saying he's riding less to diminish his chances of getting injured?

I didn't implicate anything about his rides on either. I said, it must be nice, to get choice, odds on mounts in big stakes, and have that be your weekend, no other mounts.

He looses on both, and forbid anyone from noticing or making a comment? i didn't know he was untouchable at this site. Zenyatta, Smith.... who's next that people can't offer a comment on

-bt-

10 pnt move up 04-21-2014 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974378)
what are you talking about? are you saying he's riding less to diminish his chances of getting injured?

I didn't implicate anything about his rides on either. I said, it must be nice, to get choice, odds on mounts in big stakes, and have that be your weekend, no other mounts.

He looses on both, and forbid anyone from noticing or making a comment? i didn't know he was untouchable at this site. Zenyatta, Smith.... who's next that people can't offer a comment on

-bt-


Your comment was so poorly written and with the odds on loss comment what would you expect?

There is no doubt statistically that riding more increases your chance of getting hurt. Why ride a 20 mdn claimer at 1/5 if you are Mike, Gary, or any "made" rider? So yes when you dont see those guys in those races its by choice with many reasons.

-BT- 04-21-2014 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 974399)
Your comment was so poorly written and with the odds on loss comment what would you expect?

There is no doubt statistically that riding more increases your chance of getting hurt. Why ride a 20 mdn claimer at 1/5 if you are Mike, Gary, or any "made" rider? So yes when you dont see those guys in those races its by choice with many reasons.

sorry i couldn't articulate my thoughts to you and your standards.

and, you certainly are wowing me with statistic like jockeys who ride less are less likely to get injured.

again, my point is the guy had two choice mounts this weekend, lost them both.....nobody is allowed to bring it up?

-bt-

bare it all 04-22-2014 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974448)
again, my point is the guy had two choice mounts this weekend, lost them both.....nobody is allowed to bring it up?

-bt-

Who would you put up on them instead? Emollient just didn't have it - that other pace horse kept on and won. I'm not sure the ride on her cost her the win. She just got beat. With Game On Dude - that horse just doesn't tend to win unless he's uncontested for the lead. Now the speed that went with him killed themselves and set it up for someone to come pick up the pieces. I'm not a smith fan myself but I think these were fair losses. Horses are overhyped and get bet accordingly.

10 pnt move up 04-22-2014 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bare it all (Post 974489)
Who would you put up on them instead? Emollient just didn't have it - that other pace horse kept on and won. I'm not sure the ride on her cost her the win. She just got beat. With Game On Dude - that horse just doesn't tend to win unless he's uncontested for the lead. Now the speed that went with him killed themselves and set it up for someone to come pick up the pieces. I'm not a smith fan myself but I think these were fair losses. Horses are overhyped and get bet accordingly.

jockeys are incredibly overrated.

helicopter11 04-22-2014 06:47 PM

There is a reason why Mike Smith gets all the choice mounts. He wins big on big days. When he starts consistently losing, the better mounts will be lost for him as well.

Unlike other professional athletes, jockeys dont have contracts and they do not automatically get the best mounts because of a multi-year contracts they signed with a trainer or owner. IF you can prove you can win the big races consistently, the calls will come your way. Plain and simple.

Danzig 04-22-2014 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 974497)
jockeys are incredibly overrated.

:tro:

Danzig 04-22-2014 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 974448)
sorry i couldn't articulate my thoughts to you and your standards.

and, you certainly are wowing me with statistic like jockeys who ride less are less likely to get injured.

again, my point is the guy had two choice mounts this weekend, lost them both.....nobody is allowed to bring it up?

-bt-

well...

but do you really think that both lost because of the ride? that it was smiths fault they lost? what jockey would have won with them, and how do you know that?
horses aren't robots. somedays are better than others.


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