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Kasept 03-05-2014 01:55 PM

3/8 (TAM): Tampa Bay Derby (G2), Florida Oaks, Hillsborough (G3's)
 
9th (4:25) Hillsborough S. (G3)

About 1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Donna's Fly Girl Allen M 116 L
2 Waterway Run Lezcano J 120 L
3 Gulsary (IRE) Castellano J J 116 L
4 Cloud Scapes Rodriguez E D 120 L
5 Thecushmaker Pedroza B 116 L
6 Riposte (GB) Leparoux J R 122
7 E B Ryder Allen R D Jr 116 L
MTO Liberated Boulanger G 116 L
9 Enchanted Party Serpa A 116 L



10th (4:55) Florida Oaks (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Kitten Kaboodle Castellano J J 122 L
2 Interrupted Serpa A 116 L
3 Babe's Ruler Centeno D E 116 L
4 Jerry Love Leparoux J R 116 Blk-On L
5 Spangled Banner De La Cruz F 116
6 Runway Giant Allen R D Jr 116 L
7 Annulment Boulanger G 116 L
8 Duff One Wilson E 116 L
9 Istanford Rocco J S Jr 116 L
10 Miss Besilu Bridgmohan S X 116 L
11 Ready's Legend Prado E S 116 L
12 Testa Rossi (FR) Lezcano J 122 L
AE Resistivity Leparoux J R 116 L
AE Grand Elmendorf Gallardo A A 116 L



11th (5:25) Tampa Bay Derby (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 Ring Weekend Centeno D E 116 L
2 Surfing U S A Lezcano J 116 L
3 Matador Leparoux J R 116 L
4 Coltimus Prime Boulanger G 116 L
5 Conquest Titan Bridgmohan S X 116 L
6 Vinceremos Prado E S 120 L
7 East Hall Leyva J C 116 L
8 Cousin Stephen Castellano J J 116 L
9 Hy Kodiak Warrior Saez G 116 FTL
10 Tuscan Getaway Rocco J S Jr 116 L

RockHardTen1985 03-05-2014 04:56 PM

Plus the long awaited return of Bobbys Kitten, race 6. Allowance race w/ Castellano riding.

GPK 03-05-2014 08:11 PM

Amazingly coincidental that my first Saturday off from work in 3 months coincides with this card. Didn't see that coming :rolleyes:

RockHardTen1985 03-05-2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 968213)
Plus the long awaited return of Bobbys Kitten, race 6. Allowance race w/ Castellano riding.

Just now getting a chance to look at the pp's. He has legit competition in this race. Global View can run.

lemoncrush 03-05-2014 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 968191)
11th (5:25) Tampa Bay Derby (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 Ring Weekend Centeno D E 116 L
2 Surfing U S A Lezcano J 116 L
3 Matador Leparoux J R 116 L
4 Coltimus Prime Boulanger G 116 L
5 Conquest Titan Bridgmohan S X 116 L
6 Vinceremos Prado E S 120 L
7 East Hall Leyva J C 116 L
8 Cousin Stephen Castellano J J 116 L
9 Hy Kodiak Warrior Saez G 116 FTL
10 Tuscan Getaway Rocco J S Jr 116 L

After one pass through the PP's, this looks like a nice betting race.
And at first glance, I'm kind of interested in Hy Kodiak Warrior.
Especially since I don't think anyone coming out of the Sam Davis is going to win this.

letswastemoney 03-05-2014 10:53 PM

The old version of Conquest Titan would have a very favorable scenario here, as there aren't any dominant early speed horses. I'm wondering if they use a bit of his old speed just for this spot.

Jay Frederick 03-05-2014 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 968241)
The old version of Conquest Titan would have a very favorable scenario here, as there aren't any dominant early speed horses. I'm wondering if they use a bit of his old speed just for this spot.

Don't Surfin USA, Coltimus Prime and Tuscan Getaway have early speed?

letswastemoney 03-05-2014 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Frederick (Post 968243)
Don't Surfin USA, Coltimus Prime and Tuscan Getaway have early speed?

I'm not too sure about Coltimus Prime's dirt speed, as the BRIS early paces figure for his synthetic races are just average. Maybe I'd expect the other two you mentioned to be dueling for the lead, if there is a duel, and maybe Cousin Stephen and Vinceremos.

The BRIS early pace figures for Conquest Titan's two dirt races before they switched styles are over 100. Right now, the best last race E1 early pace figure on BRIS is from Cousin Stephen at 93.

Jay Frederick 03-06-2014 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 968244)
I'm not too sure about Coltimus Prime's dirt speed, as the BRIS early paces figure for his synthetic races are just average. Maybe I'd expect the other two you mentioned to be dueling for the lead, if there is a duel, and maybe Cousin Stephen and Vinceremos.

The BRIS early pace figures for Conquest Titan's two dirt races before they switched styles are over 100. Right now, the best last race E1 early pace figure on BRIS is from Cousin Stephen at 93.

I can't see them messing with Conquest Titan's running style for this race.

Kasept 03-06-2014 08:13 AM

BRIS DERBY PP'S: http://www.brisnet.com/brisnet_promo...paBayDerby.pdf

pmayjr 03-07-2014 12:17 AM

I think there's plenty of early speed in this race which sets up perfect for Conquest Titan (not going out on a limb), but I think Ring Weekend might be sitting on a big one as well. This race isn't that strong, so I don't think he's in over his head.

theguarantee 03-07-2014 04:58 AM

I have a very high opinion of Conquest Titan. Think he'll be better at 1/8th to 1/4, but also think it was a wise move by Casse getting to Tampa. Kind of wish I didn't like him so much because this looks like a race where getting creative could get you paid. Vinceremos is a very :zz: horse to me. At face value I want to think he is a huge bet against...can't help but worry that he might just put it all together though. I kind of make this one Surfing USA or Conquest Titan depending on the pace scenario with East Hall and Hy Kodiak Cowboy the prices I give a bit of a shot.

GPK 03-07-2014 06:26 AM

Interrupted in the Oaks.

cakes44 03-07-2014 07:30 AM

Really excited about seeing two or three of these horses in the Kentucky Derby.

AlreadyHome 03-07-2014 09:05 AM

Bueler
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 968233)
Amazingly coincidental that my first Saturday off from work in 3 months coincides with this card. Didn't see that coming :rolleyes:

That's great:).enjoy your day off N have fun ,only in America.
Who do u like in the card@ TB

Rudeboyelvis 03-07-2014 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 968408)
Interrupted in the Oaks.

This has all the makings of a trap race in the sequence... Testa Rossi is going to go off at 4-5 or worse and is no lock at all; Miss Bessilu will be 5-2 and not much better...I'm not thin here - obviously either can and should win, but I like a couple others in here and expect to be 4-5 deep in this leg

my miss storm cat 03-07-2014 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 968191)
11th (5:25) Tampa Bay Derby (G2)

10 Tuscan Getaway Rocco J S Jr 116 L

Hope he does well... :)

Mike A 03-07-2014 06:27 PM

The PPs for #7 East Hall show lifetime 2 wins, shows breaking maiden last Oct, and no wins since then. I need a little help with this, thanks

herkhorse 03-07-2014 06:31 PM

he had a second win via dq ( of Hy Kodiak Warrior )

Mike A 03-07-2014 06:38 PM

Thanks herkhorse , just saw that in the fine print of both horses running lines

asudevil 03-07-2014 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 968427)
This has all the makings of a runaway race in the sequence... Testa Rossi is going to go off at 4-5 or worse and is a MORTAL LOCK

FTFY

-BT- 03-08-2014 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 968427)
This has all the makings of a trap race in the sequence... Testa Rossi is going to go off at 4-5 or worse and is no lock at all; Miss Bessilu will be 5-2 and not much better...I'm not thin here - obviously either can and should win, but I like a couple others in here and expect to be 4-5 deep in this leg

agree, this race is no slam dunk....I like Jerry Love. Excuses last two at speed favoring gulf, works are solid, first time shades, and there should be pace?
Lepoopooo to the rescuue



TB Derby is just as deep, East Hall and Hy Kodiak Warrior for a price

-bt-

asudevil 03-08-2014 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 968583)
FTFY

I'll field any questions.

cakes44 03-08-2014 04:37 PM

I still think Bobby's Kitten is the most talented 3-year-old in America.

RockHardTen1985 03-08-2014 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 968805)
I still think Bobby's Kitten is the most talented 3-year-old in America.

I dont even think hes the best 3yr turf horse. But to each his own, lots of money to be made for good grass horses...

pmayjr 03-09-2014 12:02 AM

Did anyone else chuckle when Centeno looked back at the field going into the final turn? I thought Ring Weekend had a chance, but as a closer. Was shocked he went to the front. Think it was necessitated by the rail post?

Bigsmc 03-09-2014 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 968887)
Did anyone else chuckle when Centeno looked back at the field going into the final turn? I thought Ring Weekend had a chance, but as a closer. Was shocked he went to the front. Think it was necessitated by the rail post?

It wasn't necessitated by the post at all. Nobody wanted to go and Centeno seized the opportunity. Instead of wrangling the horse back, he chose not to fight him and let him roll. The grab fest behind him won the race.

There is going to have to be some major improvement for any horse to come out of that race and do much of anything the rest of the year. Ugly group.

golfer 03-09-2014 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 968889)
It wasn't necessitated by the post at all. Nobody wanted to go and Centeno seized the opportunity. Instead of wrangling the horse back, he chose not to fight him and let him roll. The grab fest behind him won the race.

There is going to have to be some major improvement for any horse to come out of that race and do much of anything the rest of the year. Ugly group.

Sharp post! Welcome back!

pmayjr 03-09-2014 12:43 PM

It looked like there were a lot of front-running types on paper going into the race, and I didn't see Ring Weekend as one of them. But yeah... No one in that field has me all that scared... but Ring Weekend is still eligible for improvement. I hope Motion runs him one more time before the Derby

GPK 03-09-2014 01:18 PM

I tossed Ring Weekend immediately after Slip By and Grand Strand ran 5th and 6th in the 7th at Gulfstream yesterday. Nothing out of Ring Weekends maiden race has run well. Like Bigs said, the grab fest behind him is what won it.

philcski 03-10-2014 09:49 AM

I may be in the minority but I really like Ring Weekend going forward. I jumped on after his maiden win since it is so difficult to win at GP going 4 wide on the first turn. Don't love Tapit going 10F but I think there is enough bottom side pedigree to get the 10F, and I really like that he showed a new dimension in TB because adaptability is key for the Kentucky Derby.

declansharbor 03-10-2014 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 968889)
It wasn't necessitated by the post at all. Nobody wanted to go and Centeno seized the opportunity. Instead of wrangling the horse back, he chose not to fight him and let him roll. The grab fest behind him won the race.

There is going to have to be some major improvement for any horse to come out of that race and do much of anything the rest of the year. Ugly group.

Glad to see you post, Bigs!

Hope all is well -- and I'm sure you've won about 3-4 fantasy leagues since you last posted! :D

pmayjr 03-10-2014 12:02 PM

Privman tweeted today that Motion says 8 weeks is too long to train up to the Derby and will most likely will run in Calder Derby or Bluegrass (also said if it were 6 weeks, like Animal Kingdom he would've trained up to the Derby).

Kasept 03-10-2014 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 969089)
Privman tweeted today that Motion says 8 weeks is too long to train up to the Derby and will most likely will run in Calder Derby or Bluegrass (also said if it were 6 weeks, like Animal Kingdom he would've trained up to the Derby).

I think Graham Motion might have been on Steve's show today... Wonder what he had to say?

cakes44 03-11-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 968869)
I dont even think hes the best 3yr turf horse. But to each his own, lots of money to be made for good grass horses...

I am a little interested to hear which 3-year-old turfers are better. He destroyed Global View.


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