Andrew Luck
 

I don't see it with this guy. Not at all. Now way back in September I did Joey S top 10 quarterbacks list. I had him no where in the top 10..... So I'm not just basing him on how horrible he has looked tonight. I don't understand him one bit. I see nothing special, ever. Even when he makes these comebacks its usually because he tosses 2 or 3 interceptions. Anyone who saw First Take on Friday knows Skip Bayless does not love him either, and feels he is pretty overrated. He throws a ton of interceptions, 27 in two years. That's not counting the playoffs. Plus anyone who follows football knows the AFC south was by far the worst division in football this year, by FAR. The other 3 teams had a combined record of 13-35, 5 games worst then any other division. I would take Alex Smith all day over Luck with everything else being equal.

Peyton had 43 INTs in his first 2 seasons. Save this thread for a decade. And quoting Skip Bayless to prove anything is beyond stupid.

Skip Bayless is an emmy nominated sports personality.... Not sure why you and Chuck hate him.
Like I said I don't see it with Luck, not at all. And I'm a Texans hater but I expect a Kansas City like turnaround from them next year, so the Colts won't have those 6 freebees again.
As for you're Peyton argument another grossly overrated guy. I'm dealing in facts here, Peyton can go down as the best regular season QB ever, but his playoff performances have been shaky at best. Look through his playoff numbers, you find a lot of home losses as heavy favorites from Peyton Manning teams.

I think Luck will be just fine. He's not the first QB to take some lumps in his first couple seasons, and won't be the last either. Let's see how he plays when Wayne comes back opposite Hilton, and they improve that running game. Obviously Luck had overall a rough night, he did make a few throws that were terrific, in my opinion he seems like a smart kid who can grow from this seasoning and experiences bad and good in the last couple weeks.
Oh and regarding Skip Bayless, the few times I have heard the guy he sounds like an idiot in my opinion.

First, Andrew Luck had bad night. However, he still made some excellent throws, too. He does not get scared & keeps trying until final whistle. His time will come.

Second, Peyton Manning is already a Super Bowl winning QB. Through 47 Super Bowls, only 30 winning QBs exist. Very exclusive group.

Last, Skip Bayless was well-respected print journalist years ago. Now, he is fish monger one who will say anything to get noticed. Bayless still makes some excellent points from time to time. Luck and Peyton comments rate as pointless ones by him. His 'First Take' gig has made him a caricature.

this Jet fan would love to have Luck!

They were 2-14, then drafted Luck and went 11-5 while making the playoffs in the last 2 seasons. This year, they beat KC & SF on the road and while also beating Denver & Seattle at home. You couldn't be further off base here.
And for the record, Your Joey S's top 10 QB list, sucked balls.

Luck is a pretty super kid who will learn from his mistakes......And will win a super bowl or 2 in his day.....

2-14 with literally no QB because Peyton was hurt. Anyone competent would have improved them.
As for my list 7 of the 10 in the playoffs. 4 of top 5 still playing with only Rodgers out, barley out.

Didn't one of yor top QB's throw for 103 yards yesterday?

He mentions Luck's 27 int's in two years but either doesn't know about or fails to mention Peyton's 28 ints in his rookie year alone. 40+ picks in his first two yrs.

Andrew Luck is certainly on his way to being regarded as one of the best quarterbacks in the league, imo.

Stop it. One has 3 Super Bowls the other gets his first ring this year.

103 Yds passing would indicate a championship IN spite of instead of Because of. Kapeernick, RGIII, Wilson = Short Shelf life. Watch. Those of us that don't experience watching the greatest player ever on a DAILY basis realize it.

[quote=jms62;960629]103 Yds passing would indicate a championship IN spite of instead of Because of. Kapeernick, RGIII, Wilson = Short Shelf life. Watch. Those of us that don't experience watching the greatest player ever on a DAILY basis realize it.[/QUO

OK.

PG1985 + Skip Bayless = Andrew Luck 1st ballot Hall of Fame 2030 for sure

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This gets funnier by the minute. You put Tony Romo on San Fran or Seattle with those defenses and the are guarenteed Super Bowl Champs. Wilson and Kap are average quarterbacks on teams with very good defenses.

You mean it isn't Luck's fault that his team gave up more than 80 points in the 2 playoff games this year? Huh

Well hell he should have scored 81 right. Then he could have made RHT list :)

lol Tony Romo is a joke. Keep telling yourself this though, then act like I have the shitty opinion. Wilson and Kap are the future of the NFL. Not Luck and Romo.

You guys are crazy. Who tossed the interceptions?

3 playoff games

55% completion percentage
6 TD
8 INTs
1 win 2 losses

Look at the pieces he has around him. He has made TY Hilton. LaVon Brazill? Griff Whalen? A back-up RB who had to replace an ineffective starter?

The Colts had none of the necessary parts that the remaining teams have. NE is surging right now because their running game is ridiculously strong. In their last 3 games, Brady is 41-75 for 492 yds, 2TDs and 1 INT. They've beautifully transitioned into a power running team without Gronk. Seattle has a marquee RB, depth at WR and a solid TE. Luck never had the luxury of a strong running game or a set of dynamic receivers (SF and Denver both have these).

The job that he did this year, especially when they were in a tail spin following Wayne's injury, was terrific. They've also had 2 different offensive coordinators in his first two years. Give him another piece or two and another year in the system and just watch. Let's not even touch on their defense...

Based on talks I had here with a bunch of Pats fans I know, Bronco fans and Pats fans agree that Luck is one step away from being the next great QB.

Having watched a good bit of him in college and now in the NFL, I agree. I was at the Texans-Colts Sunday night game, and the comeback that he orchestrated is something that only a short list of current QBs in the NFL could do.

Won't take long for him to get it all put together. He will start to realize more quickly that the receiver and him didn't make the same read and not throw those balls anymore.

qb's, like presidents, get too much credit when things go well, and too much blame when things go poorly.
luck will turn out just fine. and don't forget, some second stringers looked good when playing in place of the starter, because of what team they were on.
what did matt flynn do once he left GB? what did he accomplish once he got back there? everyone, remember when brady missed a year? i do...where's that awesome QB now? backing up someone else, somewhere else.
dan marino was a heck of a qb, how many rings does he have? none, because you have to have players besides a qb.

A very apt analogy actually

Excellent post Nick :tro::tro: (especially the part when Reggie Wayne went down)

I actually LIKE Luck, but if he's going to get all the credit, he has to accept blame when he throws 3 or 4 picks.

Seattle has depth at WR and a solid TE? I'd take the Colts receivers over Seattle's. Baldwin is not a legit starting WR and even Tate is a number 2, at best. We really can't count Harvin because he's played about 3 quarters all season. I'll take Fleener over Zach Miller, who at best is average. And as for NE, they looked like a good running team against a poor run defense. If they somehow manage to beat Denver, and I don't think they will, Seattle or San Fran will completely shut down their running game.

I don't know where Luck did not accept blame. No one excused him from receiving blame, my point was that he is attempting to do more with less.

As far as individual personnel goes, there's no chance anyone would take the receiving corps that Luck had on Saturday night over what Wilson currently has, even without Harvin and Rice. Guys like Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin are proven commodities in the NFL. Zach Miller is a pro bowler who had 192 catches between 2008 and 2010 for 2268 yards catching passes from the likes of JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski, Jason Campbell, Kyle Boller, Daunte Culpepper, and Charlie Frye. He led the Seahawks in TD catches this year and missed 2 games. Fleener has incredible talent and is one you'd buy moving forward if given a choice between he and Miller, but Miller is absolutely a solid TE.

Tate and Baldwin combined for 114 receptions and 1676 yards this year, most of which was played without the team's two best receivers. That's depth.

LaVon Brazill's career high in receptions in one game was 3 prior to Saturday night. He didn't even play until Week 6 this year and had a total of 23 catches in his career coming into the playoffs. Whalen had 24 catches on the season coming into the playoffs. They got the typical 0 out of the oft-injured Hayward-Bey down the stretch. Whalen and Brazill had very similar stats to Jermaine Kearse, who is Seattle's 5th option at wide receiver when everyone's healthy.

All of this doesn't include the fact that Seattle has one of the best RBs in the league, while Luck had the god awful Trent Richardson and Donald Brown.

If you are going to use the Oakland QB argument with Zach Miller (and I understand that argument), you can make the case that Heyward Bey had the same QBs throwing to him. Heyward Bey's 2011 numbers are far superior anything Baldwin has ever done, and actually a little better than Tate's 2013 season. While Luck only had Wayne for half this past season, he is light years better than either Tate or Baldwin, and I'd still take him over Harvin.

I should've rephrased the part about Luck accepting blame. Actually he does. His fanboys are the ones in denial. He may be the best QB in the league in two or three years, but he still has to develop.

How many teams GM's would trade their QB for him right now? At least 25 and maybe more.

Every one based on age.

Probably at least 25. So what? GMs go strictly by potential, and Luck is loaded with potential. Nobody doubts that. But he has a gunslinger mentality. He's going to need to tone that down a bit.

So what? He has a pretty good track record already no? 22-11 with a playoff win. I wish my team had that kind of QB and record

Yeah but your team has Lauren Tannehill

No, see, it doesn't matter that he had virtually no running game in the playoffs and 2/3 of his primary receivers were basically practice squad guys. Oh, throw in that his defense was abysmal. He sucks because he's thrown 8 INTs and "only" gone 1-2 in three games where his team was an underdog, at least one of which came to the eventual Super Bowl champion.

I can honestly make say that only 2 QB's wouldn't warrant a trade.
. Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. As a GM I am looking at a 10 year horizon and Rogers and Foles are the only 2 that have a shot at being around then. Luck has proven he is never out of a game.. The Zenyetta of NFL QB's so to say ;)

That is Pure Poetry right there :tro:;):cool: