Penn National arrests
 

From twitter world. @raypaulick and @centerfarms just confirmed minutes ago.

FBI involved mmmm:confused:

Race Fixing
 

prelim story

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...ing_in_PA.html

This should be good

Wonder if NYRA will cut ties to Penn.

The over/under line on the Beatties is 2.
I will take the over

Chuck accounted for?

your gonna make Freddy cry.

All tied to those ongoing investigations that threatened these actions: David Wells, Trish Rogers, Sam Webb and an unnamed clocker.

A clocker? Hmmm.

Wells, Rogers and Webb along with Clocker Danny Robertson arrested on federal fraud charges - per Ray Paulick. Link to indictments:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...penn-national/

I'm hiding from CIA

Thank God. I'll send you a few 2 yr olds when I can

no wonder i never threw out a david wells horse, not as familiar with the others

what ever happened to scooter davis?

Witness protection

hmm, the Feds, an interesting dynamic since its not just a suspension from the local racing board that they can appeal and then just run in anothers name, this may actually scare a few of the cheaters out there if we are talking about jail time.

I would like to hear a lawyers take on arresting Rogers and Webb. Webb was caught injecting something (not sure what) in a horse he had running and the horse was scratched and he got 30 or 60 days from PA racing commission which he served. Rogers was caught by same investigators injecting additional 2 cc of lasix to horse in that day. I believe she is appealing. My question is can a violation of state rules be minor enough to only get relatively light license suspension be serious enough to qualify as Fraud in a Federal court? Especially in the Rogers case where the same med was used by every other horse in the race admittedly at a slightly lower level. I'd think you'd have a tough time convincing a judge that 2 cc of lasix would have enough of an influence being that you'd easily get a 100 credible witness to testify that it would likely have little effect on the results.

So the glove doesn't fit?

Another legal question would be do you think the Feds are avoiding dealing with the trainer responsibility rule seeing as they arrested Rogers wife and not him? Or would being spouse or him asking her to do it have any effect? Just wondering that if these cases wind up with convictions what would that do to the status of trainer responsibility? I know from my own point of view if I could be guilty of a felony because of a mistake of someone else or because of environmental contamination or an error in the testing lad I'd seriously consider a new line of work. As it is now we are in a tenuous position under the TR rule and I had an issue with a faulty lab before so it does happen.

What was the clocker injected with?

Supposedly took cash for phony works.

from what ive heard over the years published works are mostly a bunch of crap anyway, for varying reasons.
Thanks for letting me know that was Rogers wife, I dont throw out his horses either, Or yours either Cannon, but maybe for different reasons

the great majority of published works are accurate....the published final time of a work however only tells a small part of the story....was it slow early then quick late....what was the gallop out ....how much encouragement was the rider giving the horse....did the horse get out on the turn...lots of other factors other than published final time determine whether it was a good work

Agreed and that should be obvious to the class of handicapper here....at the same time, false times(or works of fiction) should be prosecuted.

there are too many of the works of fiction to make them believable

Respectfully disagree

I can't talk specifically about this situation, but I have a hard time believing the Feds would be interested in lasix, minor drug injections or holding someone responsible vicariously. The article says race fixing which I would have to think there is a lot more going on than just a few injections.

In general, the Feds don't move to arrest people in an ongoing scheme until they have enough evidence on them to prosecute them ten times over. They like to compile enough cases against people so that if one develops problems, they have nine other cases that are rock solid. I have to think that this investigation has been ongoing for a long time and they have some serious evidence which almost always includes having the accused on wires and possibly video talking about the criminal scheme they are engaging in.

Is 29% not considered high anymore?

I believe that his ex's axe to grind is probably his downfall. Thankfully all my exes live in Texas and still love me so.

I know at Monmouth and Delaware that is run of the mill, not sure about Penn these days.

Supposedly they have more coming though with the original group Webb and Rogers in particular it cant be a coincidence that they recently admitted to illegally treating horses.

Dont forget Laurel, winter home of many JT's

My former home track, which I've also abandoned.

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

Lets see if they can actually get anything accomplished with this one first!

Innocent until proven guilty folks this is Waterville Pa. not Antwerp

C'mon Fred...a little extra lasix and getting indicted, facing 50 years and a $500,000 fine? Why not go after the real cheaters to make a statement?

When did this story break? Cuz someone mentioned something about ongoing investigations in pa on another forum yesterday. Kinda ironic

perhaps.
feds got involved because of interstate crime. so, conceivably, any trainer busted at a track could face federal charges due to wagering being interstate commerce.