Pres. Administration Intentionally Lied
 

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/

nothing new. they've been saying since he first made the claim that it wasn't necessarily true-especially if you're under employer offered insurance.

Saddest story I've heard so far is a 42 year old woman who had a hysterectomy in her 20's battling cancer getting cancelled because her present policy excluded maternity care. Her policy was pretty steep almost $400 a month (maybe because of cancer) but now will jump to almost $750/month.

This same woman put herself through law school while working three jobs and now has a salary above $100K making her unqualified for any subsidies.

Meanwhile the woman who works one job at McDonald's, too lazy to finish even high school needs maternity care so screw the lawyer. She's lucky someone built the road she travelled on to law school and her three jobs.

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

BTW Who is 'they'? Republicans, FOX? Because the President certainly never said that and to the contrary repeated the lie, over and over.

He's in big trouble if NBC is now doing stories against ACA. It's all coming unravelled.......

When I was in my 20's, as a thin, healthy, nonsmoker, I had to pay $300 a month for my health insurance and I was making barely $30,000 a year. Forgive me if I am not weeping for a woman earning over $100K having to pay a lower percentage of her salary towards health care than I did.

Nice straw man, or rather, straw woman, you built out of thin air there at the end. My new dog is barking from that whistle.

I was talking about Shaniqua Davis. She's from the Bronx NY, works at McDonald's, never more than 40 hours, is on welfare, with a one year old child and an unemployed boyfriend who barely can afford taxi rides or her cable TV.

She's no straw woman she's Shaniqua Davis.

goodness, what kind of coverage/deductibles?
my son is 25 and a smoker, his didn't cost nearly that much-less than $100/month.

Will never happen. We're screwed. Just like Social Security - this mess isn't going anywhere. It will become more and more expensive and you'll receive less and less - but permanency it already has.

Thanks Democrats. Another stellar achievement. :rolleyes:

2014 will not be pretty for them.

Obamacare was designed to fail. It is a necessary rung on the ladder to single-payer, socialized medicine (Medicare for all). We will go from Obamacare, the last stand for health insurance companies, to a public option, where insurance companies bail out en masse, to the kind of universal coverage that just about every other western country provides its citizens. I won't live long enough to see it, but my children and grandchildren will.

That remains to be seen. There may be more government shutdowns ahead with the opposition's bloody fingerprints left behind as evidence.

Wait till the people who worked hard, sacrificed and saved in order to buy a home in a good neighborhood because of good schools find out they are being charged for doing so in the form of higher premiums.

That's right, families who live in the suburbs of Chicago are paying more than those near the Quad cities for the same health plans. Not because of health but because of where they live.

If Obama was a stable manager for a thoroughbred operation, the horses, the ones making money for the stable would go hungry while the feral cats, mice and rats got fat. All would share the vet's attention and treatment with the hungry horses paying for the whole bill.

How long would that last?

Insurers set the premiums, not the ACA. There's nothing new about the rate differences, other than the fact that they are now visible due to the "marketplace" that was set up.

Again, when you have insurance oompanies in the healthcare construct, you have to expect that they will act to make as much money as possible.

The ACA didn't create the problem, only exposed it.

the kind of universal coverage that SUCKS will be provided. In other words, equal access to virtually nothing.

with the way repubs are going, i doubt the dems have a lot to worry about. with the moves made on the shutdown, women's health care, voter rights, etc...i''m not about to vote for any of those R ass clowns.

THey are horrible too, no doubt...but when obama care gets going, I'm sure those clowns will get a pass.

no, they won't.

the biggest reason why the repubs tried so hard to get rid of aca with their shutdown is they don't want people to get it, get used to it, and like it, and want to keep it.
it's kind of funny...the same arguments repubs have used against obamacare are the ones that were used to fight medicare, medicaid, unemployment insurance and social security-among other things.
the current health care system sucks, frankly. aca sucks too. however, we've been subsidizing others health care for years-better they have to help pay then they get 'written off' and then i pay 5 X the going rate to help pay for those with no insurance, but who got care.


all that said, i guess i'll be voting more third party candidates..or leaving ballots blank in spots.

Obama is hardly the first politician or President to have lied about something. That being said, I think this is a major lie and I think people are going to be furious about it. This was about a topic that has a direct effect on practically every American. He promised everyone that they could keep their insurance and keep their doctors. This is a total lie and he knew it was a lie.

Now millions of people are realizing that they can't keep their present insurance or doctor. This is not the kind of lie that people are going to forgive. This is not like the "I didn't have sex with that woman" lie. The Clinton lie didn't affect people's lives.

Obama is a pretty smooth talker and he can usually talk his way out of most things. But I don't see any way he can talk his way out of this lie. I think you will see his popularity numbers plummet over the next few weeks.

one, i don't know why anyone would believe any politician, ever.
two, it's been said all over, including here (and linked from fact check among others) since he first made the claim, that there was NO guarantee you'd be able to keep your coverage. it was bs then, it's bs now, it's been bs all along.


the aca is the most convoluted clusterfu** to come out of d.c. in god knows how long-it may be the biggest mess of a law EVER. all the contortions being engaged in, in order to get health care for everyone.
i know some don't like the thought of single payer-it would have been the best way to handle it. that way, everyone was covered. no subsidies, no employer offered coverage, no website trying to link to every other bureau that has some say in if you get a subsidy, how much, if you qualify, are you a citizen, married, income, kids....oh, one moved mid-year..oh, you got a divorce. now you have to pay back part of last years subsidy....
oh, you're working for someone who offers group coverage? well, no subsidy for you-you can only get that if you buy thru an exchange.
how many people will want their employer to get rid of their healthcare plan, so they can get a subsidy?

what a mess. all to avoid single payer.
if you marry, divorce, a child graduates and moves out (goes in the service maybe?) you change jobs, maybe get a raise...all that figures in the following year for that years subsidy. and we all know that life doesn't only change on 12/31 of each year.

oh boy.


all i can say to those who are caught by surprise now-guess you shoulda been paying attention the last four-five years.

You are right. There were plenty of people who predicted this all along. Most Republicans claimed it all along. It was one of those things where Obama was claiming one thing and the Republicans were claiming the opposite. I think most conservative voters believed the Republicans and most liberal voters believed Obama. Most of the people in the middle probably weren't sure who to believe.

Anyway, the truth is finally coming out. It is probably no surprise to 40% of the population but I think it's a surprise to everyone else including the liberal media. Even NBC is making a big deal out of this (and I think they should).

I think this is a huge deal. There have been several little things that have happened over the last few years that have hurt both parties but I don't think any of those things compare to this. I think this is a deal changer. I think this will really hurt the democrats. I could be wrong. We will see what happens.

i wouldn't go so far as to say one party said one thing, the other party another. has more to do with common sense and reality, not party politics. and neither party seems to have much ability to exhibit common sense or delve into reality.

this is one of the reasons why they have the individual mandate. health insurers don't want to bail, don't wish to go out of business. it's a huge moneymaker, and there's a reason why health insurance providers stock immediately shot upwards when the scotus ruled that the aca wasn't unconstitutional.

we should have universal coverage-it's one of several glaring flaws in this country, and an embarrassment that other countries do a better job at providing health care than we do.

but hey, how 'bout that stealth destroyer. cool, isn't it?

That's why Saudi Kings, with all the money in the world, fly to New York for medical care.

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She's talking about health care for average Joe and Joan..not heads of state.:zz:

Exactly! We do a great job for the very poor, who can walk into an emergency room anywhere, and can't be turned away, and for the very rich, who can afford the best surgeons and other medical practitioners. It's those in the middle, whether insured or not, that are poorly served.

I am in good health, but my wife is not so fortunate, as she suffers from chronic illnesses like diabetes and endocrine problems that require her to see 5-6 different doctors. Thankfully, we have excellent insurance coverage, but it never fails to amaze me that these doctors NEVER talk to each other, and will prescribe medications for her that sometimes interact poorly with each other.

I don't rank football teams on how many players get to play, I rank them on what they're able to do with their best.

Similar to how I rank our healthcare compared to say Britain or Canada.

FTFY

Thank You

i shake my head every time i hear someone say 'i don't want to pay for someone else's care'. we've been doing it for years, because those with no insurance and no ability to pay paid nothing. those costs were tacked on to the bills of those of us with insurance.
we have made great strides in medicine, but not how it's delivered. our health care costs are astronomical compared to other industrialized nations-yet our life span is no longer, our health no better.

Your welcome:D..you would do the same for me.;)

;)

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four trophies? to celebrate that saudi kings can get medical care here, but a lot of our own citizens can't?

oh, bravo.

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repeat.

Our current health care system certainly isn't great. I would certainly like to see some reform. But overall, I think our health care is the best in the world. Yes, it is expensive but there is always going to be a trade-off. In other countries where it is cheaper, it's not as cheap as it appears because most of those countries have higher taxes, so you are still paying for it indirectly. Not only that, in many of those countries there are long waits to get fairly routine procedures. If I want to get an MRI right now, I'd rather pay $500 for it right now rather than have to wait for 5 months and and get it for free.

When you compare our health care to other countries, there are things better about ours and there are things better about theirs. But when you weigh all the pros and cons, I still think ours is the best.

By the way, I have no problem requiring everyone to have health insurance. In California, everyone has to have auto insurance. If auto insurance is required, I don't see a problem with health insurance being required.

Um - no - four trophies to celebrate that we have the best medical system in the world - the one that Saudi Kings - who can afford the best - come to in order to save their own lives.

Don't you think that's indicative of the quality and innovation that we had prior to this Obamacare BS? You think we just magically whipped up some great doctors and facilities for the once in a while that some bigshot comes into the country to get treated? Get real. We have made many strides in the access to healthcare, the technology of new treatments, medicines, and the like ever since "modern" medicine first started during the Civil War. That's 150 years of progress.

I should say we "had" the best because you're going to get your way - the medical industry will essentially be destroyed and we will be as mediocre as other nations. We'll get the UK's breast cancer survivability stats instead of our current, higher stats.

Look up the cancer survival statistics in general. Ours are the highest. Anything that adds delay to treatment is a bad idea, and that is exactly what will happen when the red tape gets in the way, and when doctors start retiring early, and when there are fewer applying to medical school. Do the math. Less supply meeting more demand equals longer delays in treatment. And, consequently - higher death rates. These aren't reported unless the person actually makes it to the hospital. Dying while waiting for an appointment or a surgery is easily ignored by the government statisticians.

Obamacare's biggest sin is that it is STUPID. You can't force "bending the cost curve" without DENYING service, and allowing whatever the consequences of that to manifest themselves on would-be patients.

And by the way - there is no such thing as "single payer". That is the name for socialized medicine, yes, but the payers are the same as always - all us suckers who work for a living. If 47% are paying no taxes, the other 53% are your "single payer".

It's time to stop drinking the Obama Kool Aid.