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Sightseek 07-25-2013 08:15 PM

7/28 (MTH) Haskell Day!
 
3rd (12:54) Teddy Drone S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Immortal Eyes Lopez P 119 L
2 Well Spelled Fragoso P 117 L
3 Hop Skip and Away Cotto P L Jr 119 L
4 Harbor Breeze Bravo J 119 L
5 Javerre Carmouche K 123 L
6 He Can Run Santiago V 117 L
7 M P Joe Coa K J 117 L



5th (1:50) Matchmaker S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Julie's Love (GB) Garcia Alan 118 L
2 Idle Talk Karamanos H A 116 L
3 Minakshi (FR) Serpa A 116
4 Naples Bay Bravo J 116 L
5 Starstruck (IRE) Napravnik R 116 Blk-On L
6 Parranda Saez G 116 L
7 Laughing (IRE) Stevens G L 123 L
8 Channel Lady Velazquez J R 123 L
MTO Welcome Guest Pennington F 116 L



6th (2:20) Molly Pitcher S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Wine Princess Bridgmohan S X 116 L
2 Successful Song Lopez P 120 L
3 Lady Samuri Mariano A 118 L
4 Funny Proposition Mena M 123 L
5 Winiliscious Carmouche K 116 L
6 Joyful Victory Napravnik R 123 L



9th (3:56) Monmouth Cup S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Small Town Talk Cotto P L Jr 116 L
2 Take Charge Indy Stevens G L 123 L
3 Big Sur Moya R F 118 L
4 Norman Asbjornson Rose J 118 L
5 Hymn Book Velazquez J R 116 L
6 Ponzi Scheme Napravnik R 116 L
7 Pants On Fire Lopez P 116 L



11th (5:02) Regret S.

6 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Glamour Puss Velazquez J R 121 L
2 Promise Me a Cat Cotto P L Jr 117 L
3 Same Cross Napravnik R 117 L
4 Ann's Smart Dancer Lopez P 119 L
5 Heir Stream Serpa A 119 L
6 My Place Anytime Mariano A 123 L
7 Irish Exchange Carmouche K 123 L
8 Geeky Gorgeous Bravo J 117 L
9 Ms. Lydian Ferrer J C 117 L
10 She's Ordained Rispoli M 119 L



12th (5:36) Oceanport S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Silver Max Albarado R J 118 L
2 Change of Command Bravo J 118 L
3 Glass Art Franco M 116 L
4 Tune Me In Lopez P 116 L
5 Swift Warrior Stevens G L 123 L
6 Hobbs Carmouche K 118 L
7 Decisive Moment Serpa A 116 L
8 Hudson Steele Velazquez J R 116 L
9 Two Notch Road Uske S 116 L
10 General Logan Rose J 116 L
11 Howe Great Garcia Alan 118 L



13th (6:18) William Hill Haskell Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Vyjack Lopez P 118 L
2 Pick of the Litter Castanon J L 118 L
3 Golden Soul Albarado R J 118 L
4 Power Broker Napravnik R 118 L
5 Oxbow Stevens G L 122 L
6 Micromanage Bravo J 118 L
7 Verrazano Velazquez J R 120 L

hondo 07-26-2013 05:25 AM

Thanks If most of these go there are some nice competitive fields there. Unfortunately wet weather is is in the forecast that could put a damper on the day.

Round Pen 07-26-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondo (Post 937144)
Thanks If most of these go there are some nice competitive fields there. Unfortunately wet weather is is in the forecast that could put a damper on the day.

I Know the forecast does not look good, I am here with one of our fillies. The last update I just looked at is calling for 60% chance of Rain :(

Alabama Stakes 07-26-2013 11:53 AM

the weather will be fine, don't sweat it.

cakes44 07-26-2013 03:43 PM

Love Oxbow as a horse...tough to take him with that training schedule though. Maybe he's just that much better?

cakes44 07-28-2013 05:28 PM

WOW...

10 pnt move up 07-28-2013 05:29 PM

150 and change, thats not all that quick at that track?

Horse ran off like the others just stopped. Almost a bit hard to believe.

cakes44 07-28-2013 05:33 PM

Very slow times all day from good horses. I'm guessing the Beyer comes up pretty big for this one.

Merlinsky 07-28-2013 05:39 PM

Geez, Gary Stevens is having a bad day. Oxbow walked off the track under his own power, but they initially brought out the ambulance. Overheated?

That Haskell time was the slowest since 1978 from what I can tell.

randallscott35 07-28-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 937802)
Very slow times all day from good horses. I'm guessing the Beyer comes up pretty big for this one.

Totally agree. Ultra impressive. Track was slow as ****. That was an awesome performance.

tanner12oz 07-28-2013 06:08 PM

Muddies the 3yr old picture that's for sure...awesome today

miraja2 07-28-2013 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 937809)
Muddies the 3yr old picture that's for sure.

How so? Hasn't it been pretty clear all year that he's one of the best in the crop?

Merlinsky 07-28-2013 07:25 PM

Oxbow's looking at a likely soft tissue injury to his right ankle according to NJ state vet Deb Lamparter. X-rays were negative. Stevens is saying he never felt comfortable, also that he walks sound but doesn't jog sound.

randallscott35 07-28-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 937817)
Oxbow's looking at a likely soft tissue injury to his right ankle according to NJ state vet Deb Lamparter. X-rays were negative. Stevens is saying he never felt comfortable, also that he walks sound but doesn't jog sound.

Sorry to hear that. Huge fan of Oxbow. Game animal.

tanner12oz 07-28-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 937816)
How so? Hasn't it been pretty clear all year that he's one of the best in the crop?

I don't think anyone was thinking eclipse award before today..
with a solid travers its a possibility

randallscott35 07-28-2013 07:42 PM

Beyerwise I'd guess a 107 (+ - 2)

randallscott35 07-28-2013 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 937822)
I don't think anyone was thinking eclipse award before today..
with a solid travers its a possibility

Will he be in the Travers for sure? Todd can be pretty conservative and he has other ones for that already...no sure thing he is in the gate.

Merlinsky 07-28-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 937824)
Will he be in the Travers for sure? Todd can be pretty conservative and he has other ones for that already...no sure thing he is in the gate.

Todd said after the race that they'd take a look at the Travers, but who knows what they'll actually end up doing with him.

MaTH716 07-28-2013 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 937824)
Will he be in the Travers for sure? Todd can be pretty conservative and he has other ones for that already...no sure thing he is in the gate.

I agree with this. I'm not sure that Pletcher would want to see Verrazano and Palace Malice slug it out for the first 3/4's of the Travers and have someone else benifit and pick up the pieces. I'd be suprised if both were in the gate for the Travers.

RockHardTen1985 07-28-2013 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 937824)
Will he be in the Travers for sure? Todd can be pretty conservative and he has other ones for that already...no sure thing he is in the gate.

I would cut him back for the Kings Bishop. If he pairs that up with today, he would be a solid contender for best 3yr old. Hard to imagine Orb not firing a big race for the Travers. And Palace Malice finally ran fast yesterday.

3kings 07-28-2013 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 937832)
I agree with this. I'm not sure that Pletcher would want to see Verrazano and Palace Malice slug it out for the first 3/4's of the Travers and have someone else benifit and pick up the pieces. I'd be suprised if both were in the gate for the Travers.

I agree, I'm guessing Verrazano to the PA Derby.

RockHardTen1985 07-28-2013 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 937824)
Will he be in the Travers for sure? Todd can be pretty conservative and he has other ones for that already...no sure thing he is in the gate.

I would cut him back for the Kings Bishop. If he pairs that up with today, he would be a solid contender for best 3yr old. Hard to imagine Orb not firing a big race for the Travers. And Palace Malice finally ran fast yesterday. Exciting rest of the year if they all stay healthy.

Sightseek 07-28-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 937839)
I agree, I'm guessing Verrazano to the PA Derby.

Running at Saratoga, especially for the Travers, is pretty high up on all owner's dreams. I doubt any of the owners want to bow out with their horse because Pletcher has another horse in there.

RockHardTen1985 07-28-2013 09:34 PM

Hard Spun won the Bishop and I think you can argue he was best of that class. No worst then second.

Scav 07-28-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 937847)
Running at Saratoga, especially for the Travers, is pretty high up on all owner's dreams. I doubt any of the owners want to bow out with their horse because Pletcher has another horse in there.

I think there will be other reasons. To me, it looks like Verranzo needs 45-60 days between starts to run his best race and continue to progress.

Ultimately it will come down to the owners, and if Verranzo was owned by Repole he would be in the Travers, but I agree, I would side with him skipping the Travers, run in the Penn Derby, and then a BC Race, which would probably be the Classic.

outofthebox 07-29-2013 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 937854)
I think there will be other reasons. To me, it looks like Verranzo needs 45-60 days between starts to run his best race and continue to progress.

Ultimately it will come down to the owners, and if Verranzo was owned by Repole he would be in the Travers, but I agree, I would side with him skipping the Travers, run in the Penn Derby, and then a BC Race, which would probably be the Classic.

I would have to think that Pletcher will take one look at Verrazano's rag number and give him the 45-60 days you mentioned...

tanner12oz 07-29-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 937832)
I agree with this. I'm not sure that Pletcher would want to see Verrazano and Palace Malice slug it out for the first 3/4's of the Travers and have someone else benifit and pick up the pieces. I'd be suprised if both were in the gate for the Travers.

didn't todd have something like 30% of the belmont field and like 25% of the derby field? i imagine some of them "slugged it out" with eachother...just sayin

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-29-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 937840)
I would cut him back for the Kings Bishop. If he pairs that up with today, he would be a solid contender for best 3yr old. Hard to imagine Orb not firing a big race for the Travers. And Palace Malice finally ran fast yesterday. Exciting rest of the year if they all stay healthy.

TODD HAS LOTS OF SPRINTERS...

MaTH716 07-29-2013 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 937930)
didn't todd have something like 30% of the belmont field and like 25% of the derby field? i imagine some of them "slugged it out" with eachother...just sayin

Fair point.

But I feel like the TC races (especially the Derby) are totally different situations.

3kings 07-29-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 937937)
Fair point.

But I feel like the TC races (especially the Derby) are totally different situations.

Part of my thinking is:
The owners are from right around Monmouth which is about an hour from Parx. Reportedly they have wanted to run close to home and had a huge turnout yesterday. He is probably better off at the PA Derby distance and the race spacing seems to fit the pattern of his best performances. He will be odds on in PA instead of bumping into another very good improving horse trained by Pletcher.

cakes44 07-29-2013 02:24 PM

Who else is gonna be in the BC Dirt Mile?

cakes44 07-29-2013 02:32 PM

Obviously, it's easy for me to say, but I'd prolly go PA Derby, BC Dirt Mile, then Cigar Mile, then regroup for next year, which would include running a 153 BSF in the Donn for Pletcher.

That being said, it will be Travers, BC Classic, then retirement.

NTamm1215 07-29-2013 02:33 PM

People think Verrazano shouldn't go to the Travers?

3kings 07-29-2013 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 937954)
People think Verrazano shouldn't go to the Travers?

Not shouldn't but why I wouldn't be suprised if/when he doesn't.

MaTH716 07-29-2013 02:47 PM

I think everyone is praying that he does go, unfortunately we are preparing ourselves with the possible excuses for when he opts out and shows up for the Penn Derby.

randallscott35 07-29-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 937954)
People think Verrazano shouldn't go to the Travers?

should and will are 2 different things

parsixfarms 07-29-2013 05:11 PM

Before yesterday's Haskell, was talking with a friend and put the over/under on races left in Verrazano's career at 1.5. Not sure if yesterday's result changes the equation.

Rileyoriley 07-29-2013 05:35 PM

Woodward, BC Dirt Mile, and Cigar. I don't think he wants 1 1/4 but voters might overlook that if he could beat older horses 2 or 3 times.

RockHardTen1985 07-30-2013 03:58 AM

Drf article says its the Travers. I dont care if he ran a 130 on Sunday. I dont want him going 10f in the Travers vs better horses. I love Oxbow as much as anyone and he did now show up at all Sunday, and was injured. Take him out there was no one in the Haskell. A lot of horses run fast races with easy trips when the competition is backing up not offering any resistance. Regarding the Travers I can only hope they destroy V at the windows off this 116 beyer. Im happy with Orb, Palace Mallice and the KMC entry that ran 1-2 in the Curlin.


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