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declansharbor 05-29-2013 09:48 PM

Canelo vs Money May
 
Sept 14th per Mayweather's twitter account. I'll be rooting for Alvarez more than any other boxer in history. I hope it's half the battle that they'll be making it out to be.

Alabama Stakes 05-30-2013 08:01 AM

Money May needs an exiting fight cause he is getting more boring than a 4 hour sox yankees game. Kessler v. Frosch was a REAL fight, and thats what the people want.

Clip-Clop 06-03-2013 09:56 AM

It had better be good. With Rios v. Pacquaio in the same timetable and whoever fights Mike Alvarado next (Bradley or Marquez?) Mayweather v. Alvarez fight just won't look as exciting.

Alabama Stakes 06-04-2013 08:27 AM

Bradley would leave feet first if he ever fought Alvarado. Ruslan the Siberian Rocky beat the sh!t out of him in their fight.

So In the fall bet on the Russian and against Bradley who will leave the undefeated ranks in his next fight, when the beat down the Russian put on him will show. Kind of like when Foreman beat Frazier. Ali did that to him, Foreman was in a good spot. Foreman was in a terrible spot against the bias when Ali decked him.

Clip-Clop 06-10-2013 11:00 AM

All signs pointing to Marquez/Bradley. Best option for Alvarado now is to get Provodnikov and find a way onto the Mayweather undercard. Though the likelihood of that being allowed is almost zero since no matter what happened in the main event it would not be even remotely as exciting.

Cannon Shell 06-10-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 931560)
All signs pointing to Marquez/Bradley. Best option for Alvarado now is to get Provodnikov and find a way onto the Mayweather undercard. Though the likelihood of that being allowed is almost zero since no matter what happened in the main event it would not be even remotely as exciting.

I think Alvarado had surgery after his last fight. Supposedly he is getting a hometown (Denver) fight probably against a tomato can.

Marquez looked shot against Mayweather a few years back, got claimed by a juice guy, looked like Mark McGuire against Pac man and suddenly is Earnie Shavers as opposed to the counter puncher he had been his whole career.

santana 06-10-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 931633)
I think Alvarado had surgery after his last fight. Supposedly he is getting a hometown (Denver) fight probably against a tomato can.

Marquez looked shot against Mayweather a few years back, got claimed by a juice guy, looked like Mark McGuire against Pac man and suddenly is Earnie Shavers as opposed to the counter puncher he had been his whole career.


Now there is a blast from the past....Shavers....
I saw Oliver Mccall last year in Houston...i think he was fighting for 1K and all you can eat at Burger King.

Cannon Shell 06-10-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by santana (Post 931653)
Now there is a blast from the past....Shavers....
I saw Oliver Mccall last year in Houston...i think he was fighting for 1K and all you can eat at Burger King.

Most state boxing commissions are worse than horse racing commissions. How some of these older guys are granted licenses to box is crazy.

Alabama Stakes 06-11-2013 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 931633)
I think Alvarado had surgery after his last fight. Supposedly he is getting a hometown (Denver) fight probably against a tomato can.

Marquez looked shot against Mayweather a few years back, got claimed by a juice guy, looked like Mark McGuire against Pac man and suddenly is Earnie Shavers as opposed to the counter puncher he had been his whole career.

Man you hit the nail on the head with this post. When I saw Marquez before that Pac Man fight. My first thought was he might kill him.. Bradley would be KO'd in the first. Score written all over this fight.

Trivia, who was the only guy that Earnie Shavers decked, who actually got up and knocked him out ? No fair google.

If you want to see a fight led that led to a huge score, watch Duran take apart a very tough Carlos Palomino before he fought Leonard the first time. Then go go watch Russian Rocky v. Bradley....Then imagine Bradley fighting Marquez and getting pummeled in the first.

I know it's not saying much, but I know much more about betting Boxing, than hosses, or at I'm better at it.

Clip-Clop 06-11-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 931633)
I think Alvarado had surgery after his last fight. Supposedly he is getting a hometown (Denver) fight probably against a tomato can.

Marquez looked shot against Mayweather a few years back, got claimed by a juice guy, looked like Mark McGuire against Pac man and suddenly is Earnie Shavers as opposed to the counter puncher he had been his whole career.

Mike cost himself the Pacman fight and a massive payday by not going to his PT after the surgery, hence it fell to Rios, who will almost definitely embarrass Manny. The guys at Delgado's (Alvarados local gym) were broken up pretty bad.

The word around here is, since yesterday anyway, that Provodnikov is very happy to fight Mike right here in Denver in Oct. Nov.

Cannon Shell 06-11-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 931697)
Mike cost himself the Pacman fight and a massive payday by not going to his PT after the surgery, hence it fell to Rios, who will almost definitely embarrass Manny. The guys at Delgado's (Alvarados local gym) were broken up pretty bad.

The word around here is, since yesterday anyway, that Provodnikov is very happy to fight Mike right here in Denver in Oct. Nov.

The Siberian Rocky is no tomato can. Would be a great fight

Clip-Clop 06-11-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 931711)
The Siberian Rocky is no tomato can. Would be a great fight

Could not agree more. Hope they can make it happen.

Alabama Stakes 06-12-2013 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 931711)
The Siberian Rocky is no tomato can. Would be a great fight

he laid a beating on Bradley. he's on the come.

Clip-Clop 06-12-2013 09:09 AM

"I think he is a great warrior. In order to beat him I would have to break his will. I think technically he is a good fighter with good power. I would have to use my power to discourage him and stop him." Provodnikov on Alvarado. 'break his will', 'discourage him' This will be fight of the year without question.

pmayjr 07-12-2013 01:32 AM

I'm hoping Gennady Golovkin and Sergio Martinez can get something worked out. Sergio running around and peppering Golovkin, and Golovkin landing those power shots. If Golovkin can get past Martinez, then we start talking super fight with Andre Ward. A man can dream right?

Alabama Stakes 07-12-2013 08:17 AM

Triple G is a bad man.....i don't think Ward wants any part of him. He knocked out Macklin without even trying. HBO and Showtime have the right idea giving us all these awesome fights for free. it makes you not mind paying once in a while to keep it going,. there haven't bbeen welterweights or middleweights this good since Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard. it's great to see. The fight crowd is still the coolest of them all.

pmayjr 07-12-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 934741)
Triple G is a bad man.....i don't think Ward wants any part of him. He knocked out Macklin without even trying. HBO and Showtime have the right idea giving us all these awesome fights for free. it makes you not mind paying once in a while to keep it going,. there haven't bbeen welterweights or middleweights this good since Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard. it's great to see. The fight crowd is still the coolest of them all.

Unfortunately for the sport but fortunately for us, I think the reason why we're getting all of these really good fights on hbo and showtime is due to the sport's complete lack of popularity these days. I think back in the 90s/early 2000s the Canelo/Trout fight would've been on ppv.

Another question, now that Bernard Hopkins most recent fight was canceled due to his opponent's visa issues, does Hopkins go for that last big payday by fighting Adonis Stevenson next? Hopkins would get killed, but still...

Also, they hype and money involved if GGG knocks out Sergio Martinez would be too much for Andre Ward to pass up. Ward can't duck triple G if he beats Martinez easily

Cannon Shell 07-14-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 934722)
I'm hoping Gennady Golovkin and Sergio Martinez can get something worked out. Sergio running around and peppering Golovkin, and Golovkin landing those power shots. If Golovkin can get past Martinez, then we start talking super fight with Andre Ward. A man can dream right?

I don't think there is much chance of Martinez fighting GGG. By the time Martinez could be ready GGG will most likely have cleaned out the division with the exception of Quinllen and the ridiculous Top Rank/Golden Boy feud.

Not to mention that I dont think Martinez has any prayer at this point. GGG will hunt him down and break him down. Sergio was a great champion but he has slipped, might have lost his last fight if he wasn't fighting at home and probably isnt gonna get any better. I can see one tomato can fight for him and then a rematch with JCC and ride off into retirement.

HBO doesn't want GGG and Ward until they have milked every drop from the 160 and probably 154 pound division. Neither can headline a huge PPV yet and Ward doesn't have much to gain by fighting him now. Plus if GGG were to move up and beat Ward there is no decent 160 pounder that will mess with him and we all know the 168 division is bare.

Cannon Shell 07-14-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 934749)
Unfortunately for the sport but fortunately for us, I think the reason why we're getting all of these really good fights on hbo and showtime is due to the sport's complete lack of popularity these days. I think back in the 90s/early 2000s the Canelo/Trout fight would've been on ppv.

Another question, now that Bernard Hopkins most recent fight was canceled due to his opponent's visa issues, does Hopkins go for that last big payday by fighting Adonis Stevenson next? Hopkins would get killed, but still...

Also, they hype and money involved if GGG knocks out Sergio Martinez would be too much for Andre Ward to pass up. Ward can't duck triple G if he beats Martinez easily

The reason that we are getting all these good fights is the sports popularity is on the rise. CBS and NBC have both been doing some cards and HBO and Showtime have been pouring money in which has led to more fights. Boxing is still very popular in Mexico and overseas in many places. The reason we havent seen that many PPV's is the Top Rank/Golden Boy feud which has killed off many great matchups. Eventually they will work it out one would assume but possibly not until Arum senior croaks.

I dont think Hopkins will get killed by anyone at this point. He may not make fights exciting but he is still pretty damn hard to hit cleanly.

Alabama Stakes 07-15-2013 09:05 AM

I agree. Boxing is on the rise for sure. It's the only sport you can watch with your wife or girlfriend and have them not complain. If you decide to take them to the fights, they'll be hooked forever.
The main thing is that they have a good product, many seem to realize that there is enough money to go around, so they are worrying about getting better and not worrying about the money.

Clip-Clop 07-15-2013 09:08 AM

Alvarado v. Provodnikov October 19th right here in Denver. Very excited, I will have seen live both candidates for fight of the year!

Clip-Clop 07-16-2013 03:06 PM

Lara Vs Trout Set For Mayweather Vs Canelo Undercard On September 14

Should be a good fight too.

Alabama Stakes 07-16-2013 07:14 PM

money to be made. Siberian Rocky, over Alvarado. Lara by KO, And Martinez by KO against undefeated Timothy Bradley in a mismatch of gigantic proportions.

pmayjr 09-14-2013 08:31 PM

Mayweather wins by controversial split decison I think.

Politics will give a close fight to Mayweather. B
There's wayyy more money in the rematch

RockHardTen1985 09-14-2013 09:10 PM

I'm betting Canelo @ plus 235 on 5dimes. $200 for $470.
Gl

Vegaskid 09-14-2013 09:50 PM

Money in a snooze fest!

This guy has carefully selected all his fights so that he remains unbeaten. It's sickening as a fan to watch.

This is why MMA has gained so much on the boxing game because they control who fights who, not the fighter and ultimately the fans get the fights they want and the fighters are in and out with no one fighter becoming bigger than the sport.

Cannon Shell 09-15-2013 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegaskid (Post 945551)
Money in a snooze fest!

This guy has carefully selected all his fights so that he remains unbeaten. It's sickening as a fan to watch.

This is why MMA has gained so much on the boxing game because they control who fights who, not the fighter and ultimately the fans get the fights they want and the fighters are in and out with no one fighter becoming bigger than the sport.

He obviously ducked Pacquio but who else out there do you want to see him fight?

Clip-Clop 09-16-2013 10:02 AM

I would like to sit next to the judge (114-114) and watch the tape of the fight so they can show which rounds were won by Canelo. That was a joke.

Cannon Shell 09-16-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 945715)
I would like to sit next to the judge (114-114) and watch the tape of the fight so they can show which rounds were won by Canelo. That was a joke.

She had him winning 4 out of the last 5

Clip-Clop 09-17-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 945726)
She had him winning 4 out of the last 5

i saw that, should never be permitted to judge again.

21-1 were the majority decision odds. Nice payday for those that "risked" it.

jms62 09-17-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 945804)
i saw that, should never be permitted to judge again.

21-1 were the majority decision odds. Nice payday for those that "risked" it.

Unreal

Seattleallstar 09-17-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 945553)
He obviously ducked Pacquio but who else out there do you want to see him fight?

there are only 4 boxers that I want to see him fight and possibly the only 4 that could beat him.

Sergio Martinez--hasnt been the same since the Chavez fight, but if he can pull off one last great fight if he fought Mayweather at a catch weight, he can get to him

Pacquiao--has power, smarts, footwork and speed to land one good shot on Money if he gets in and doesn't get picked off by him

Amir Khan--has the speed and skill to match with him, but land one good shot on him the glass chin and its over

The new current power puncher/bodybuilder Juan Manuel Marquez, this fight won't happen anymore since Mayweather already beat him handily. The current JMM would give Mayweather more problems than in their previous one

Clip-Clop 09-18-2013 11:35 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...varez/2829775/

The 64-year-old Ross' score started a whirlwind of criticism throughout the boxing world, which led to her decision Tuesday to email Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer, revealing that she is placing herself on indefinite leave.

"I will be taking some time off from boxing but will keep in touch," Ross said in her email.

Ross, who has been judging fights for 22 years, initially defended her scoring but has since decided that it is for the best of the sport and the commission for her to take a break.

"She feels bad the focus is on her, not Mayweather," Kizer said.

jms62 09-18-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 945876)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...varez/2829775/

The 64-year-old Ross' score started a whirlwind of criticism throughout the boxing world, which led to her decision Tuesday to email Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer, revealing that she is placing herself on indefinite leave.

"I will be taking some time off from boxing but will keep in touch," Ross said in her email.

Ross, who has been judging fights for 22 years, initially defended her scoring but has since decided that it is for the best of the sport and the commission for her to take a break.

"She feels bad the focus is on her, not Mayweather," Kizer said.

Were the odds really 21-1 on a majority decision for Mayweather? I find that unfathomable as a crooked judge can 100% of the time make that happen in a mismatch.

Clip-Clop 09-18-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 945878)
Were the odds really 21-1 on a majority decision for Mayweather? I find that unfathomable as a crooked judge can 100% of the time make that happen in a mismatch.

It was 21-1 yes. The other odd calls were 11-1 split for Floyd and 18-1 split for Canelo.

I was thinking this morning that 50K makes you a millionaire in that situation. Lots of pasta.

Clip-Clop 09-18-2013 12:17 PM

http://www.mmamania.com/2013/9/15/47...ime-boxing-ppv

"But, for some reason, CJ Ross scored it 114-114. She's the same judge who scored the Timothy Bradley vs. Manny Pacquoia fight 115-113 for Bradley. It's a completely indefensible scorecard and one that needs some investigation. Boxing isn't crooked, it's the people who can alter an outcome who are the problem.

And for those conspiracy theorists out there: A majority decision paid out 21:1 odds in Las Vegas."

Clip-Clop 09-18-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dugout (Post 945883)
Same judge who scored the Creed-Drago fight a draw.

:tro:

pmayjr 12-30-2013 07:26 PM

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...canelo-alvarez
Cotto turns down a chance at more money to fight Canelo. After getting beaten easily by Mayweather in May 2012, I guess he figures his best chance at becoming relevant again is moving up in weight? A match with Sergio Martinez is intriguing, and if he were to beat Sergio... maybe that would mean Andre Ward or Gennady Golovkin in the latter part of 2014?

Cannon Shell 12-30-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 958884)
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...canelo-alvarez
Cotto turns down a chance at more money to fight Canelo. After getting beaten easily by Mayweather in May 2012, I guess he figures his best chance at becoming relevant again is moving up in weight? A match with Sergio Martinez is intriguing, and if he were to beat Sergio... maybe that would mean Andre Ward or Gennady Golovkin in the latter part of 2014?

Martinez is a logical fight for him. He holds legit belts, isn't a big puncher anymore, didn't look great in his last fight, is coming off a long layoff and injury and Cotto gets a huge homefield advantage.

He will never fight Ward who is simply far too big for him. If he were to beat Martinez it could set up a huge rematch with Mayweather who would love to grab the middleweight titles.


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