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ateamstupid 04-25-2013 04:50 PM

Joel Rosario
 
Smashed the KEE spring meet win record today with a five-win card. He's definitely ridden a number of Ramsey/Maker cinches that he just needed to stay aboard, but he's still schooling the other jocks daily and his confidence is through the roof right now. I'd be shocked if he didn't win the BEL spring riding title with Dominguez still on the shelf.

pointman 04-25-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 925192)
Smashed the KEE spring meet win record today with a five-win card. He's definitely ridden a number of Ramsey/Maker cinches that he just needed to stay aboard, but he's still schooling the other jocks daily and his confidence is through the roof right now. I'd be shocked if he didn't win the BEL spring riding title with Dominguez still on the shelf.

He is riding at an incredibly high level and made jocks look like fools out there. It sure looked to me like he baited Garcia to make a fool of himself in the 5th. His ride in the stake in the 8th was terrific.

Vegaskid 04-25-2013 05:00 PM

I remember not to long ago when he made the move east a lot of people were saying he wasn't going to excel in that group of top riders. How quickly he has made people recognize how good he is, and he is still getting better. If he wins the KY Derby he would just solidify being the best!

Aly-Sheba 04-25-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegaskid (Post 925199)
I remember not to long ago when he made the move east a lot of people were saying he wasn't going to excel in that group of top riders. How quickly he has made people recognize how good he is, and he is still getting better. If he wins the KY Derby he would just solidify being the best!

I agree with you. Besides the west has always has had the better riders, so its not like really he was going up in class.

Dahoss 04-25-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925225)
I agree with you. Besides the west has always has had the better riders, so its not like really he was going up in class.

You think there are better riders on the west coast right now than the east?

blackthroatedwind 04-25-2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925225)
I agree with you. Besides the west has always has had the better riders, so its not like really he was going up in class.

A pie should have flown out of your computer and slammed you in the face when you hit the submit reply button.

Aly-Sheba 04-25-2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 925229)
A pie should have flown out of your computer and slammed you in the face when you hit the submit reply button.

Maybe now with California (TOC) doing a doing a poor job with running horse racing and with the short fields you can argue. But look Rosario went out there and has showed how good he is. Him along with Bejarano are the two top jocks in the country.

Dahoss 04-25-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925230)
Him along with Bejarano are the two top jocks in the country.

An argument could be made Rosario is the best rider in the country, especially with Dominguez being injured. Although he has had the luxury of getting into some barns who seemingly can't lose the first few months of the year. He's a fantastic rider though, no denying it.

There is no way Bejarano is even in the top 5 if you watch racing everyday.

Cannon Shell 04-25-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925230)
Maybe now with California (TOC) doing a doing a poor job with running horse racing and with the short fields you can argue. But look Rosario went out there and has showed how good he is. Him along with Bejarano are the two top jocks in the country.


What do short fields or the TOC have to do with jockeys ability?

Aly-Sheba 04-25-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 925234)
What do short fields or the TOC have to do with jockeys ability?

Just that with a owner/horse shortage the top jocks are most likely going to leave or not come out because of less opportunitys . Does not have anything to do with ability.

jms62 04-26-2013 08:05 AM

In baseball they term someone a 5-Tool player if they excel at basically every facet of the game. IMO Rosario would be a Jockey version of a 5-Tool player. He is equally adapt on Dirt, Turf , All-Weather, Sprints or Routes. He can come from off the pace with exact timing or he can win on the front end nursing his speed. This IMO is very rare as I think jocks have their area of expertise. Leparoux for one IMO is way more effective on Turf coming late. He is a great play against on a favorite needing the lead. Desourmeux of old used to be the same way.

Aly-Sheba 04-26-2013 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 925251)
In baseball they term someone a 5-Tool player if they excel at basically every facet of the game. IMO Rosario would be a Jockey version of a 5-Tool player. He is equally adapt on Dirt, Turf , All-Weather, Sprints or Routes. He can come from off the pace with exact timing or he can win on the front end nursing his speed. This IMO is very rare as I think jocks have their area of expertise. Leparoux for one IMO is way more effective on Turf coming late. He is a great play against on a favorite needing the lead. Desourmeux of old used to be the same way.

I agree and Bejarano has the same tools, plus they both put their horses in positions to give there horses a shot to win.

Dahoss 04-26-2013 09:24 AM

I think it is important to remember that Julian Leparoux won every Keeneland meet from 2010-present doing the exact same thing Rosario has done. He's riding the Maker/Ramsey horses.

I actually think it will be interesting to see how he does at Belmont. No doubt he will have a fine meet, because he'll ride good horses and is a great rider.

But, there will be some adjustment when you ride 4-5 horses everyday for a month that can't lose. He won't have that at Belmont.

Calzone Lord 04-26-2013 10:37 AM

Nice to see Kevin Krigger doing well in Southern Cal.

It wasn't long ago that he was battling away at Thistle Downs and Emerald Downs...and he vanished for a while.

ateamstupid 04-26-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 925271)
Nice to see Kevin Krigger doing well in Southern Cal.

It wasn't long ago that he was battling away at Thistle Downs and Emerald Downs...and he vanished for a while.

Don't forget Agapito Delgadillo and Edwin Maldonado. Surely they would be having even more success against no-names like Dominguez, Castellano, Velazquez, Lezcano, Prado, etc.

Alabama Stakes 04-26-2013 11:59 AM

tee hee :D

Danzig 04-26-2013 12:15 PM

rosario, wins the dubai world cup, loses ride on animal kingdom:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ngdom-at-ascot

Vegaskid 04-27-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 925251)
In baseball they term someone a 5-Tool player if they excel at basically every facet of the game. IMO Rosario would be a Jockey version of a 5-Tool player. He is equally adapt on Dirt, Turf , All-Weather, Sprints or Routes. He can come from off the pace with exact timing or he can win on the front end nursing his speed. This IMO is very rare as I think jocks have their area of expertise. Leparoux for one IMO is way more effective on Turf coming late. He is a great play against on a favorite needing the lead. Desourmeux of old used to be the same way.

Agree!

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925253)
I agree and Bejarano has the same tools, plus they both put their horses in positions to give there horses a shot to win.

Bejarano is good, but not sure he could have done what Joel has done moving east.

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 925262)
I think it is important to remember that Julian Leparoux won every Keeneland meet from 2010-present doing the exact same thing Rosario has done. He's riding the Maker/Ramsey horses.

I actually think it will be interesting to see how he does at Belmont. No doubt he will have a fine meet, because he'll ride good horses and is a great rider.

He won't have that at Belmont.

Leparoux, JJ, Jr would be the guys I would say have top jockey skills right now. Rick Dominguez would be if healthy. But Joel has proven himself so quickly back east and now is better than he was in Cali and getting better. He will kill it at Belmont.

keithting 04-27-2013 09:45 AM

I had the opportunity to meet Joel at Saratoga 2012....

he is a fine young man and one heck of a rider...

By the way, the other big jockey story in 2013 (as Steve has brought up) is the comeback of Mr. Prado...

I remember getting into an argument with some Gulfstream railbirds back in 2011 who said that Edgar's career was over.

Great to see him back at the top of his game again......

Dahoss 04-27-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegaskid (Post 925448)


Leparoux, JJ, Jr would be the guys I would say have top jockey skills right now. Rick Dominguez would be if healthy. But Joel has proven himself so quickly back east and now is better than he was in Cali and getting better. He will kill it at Belmont.

Who is Rick Dominguez?

blackthroatedwind 04-27-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 925466)
Who is Rick Dominguez?

As if you didn't already know he was clueless.

gamblin4ever 04-27-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 925284)
rosario, wins the dubai world cup, loses ride on animal kingdom:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ngdom-at-ascot

I agree with the move back to JV. He has ridden @ Ascot before while JR hasn't.

Danzig 04-27-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever (Post 925477)
I agree with the move back to JV. He has ridden @ Ascot before while JR hasn't.

yes, i saw that in the article. but i'd have to think rosario could come to grips with riding on a straightaway.

Vegaskid 04-27-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 925466)
Who is Rick Dominguez?

Ramon. My phone auto corrected spelling.

Aly-Sheba 04-27-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 925284)
rosario, wins the dubai world cup, loses ride on animal kingdom:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ngdom-at-ascot

Another Dick move by Barry imo. Why are there so many good horses owned by a Dick?

declansharbor 04-27-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925504)
Another Dick move by Barry imo. Why are there so many good horses owned by a Dick?

Wealthy Dick.

pointman 04-27-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegaskid (Post 925499)
Ramon. My phone auto corrected spelling.

Did it auto correct Leparoux in the sentence before that as well?

ateamstupid 04-27-2013 10:11 PM

Rosario won 5 more tonight on opening night at Churchill.

Kasept 04-28-2013 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 925284)
rosario, wins the dubai world cup, loses ride on animal kingdom: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ngdom-at-ascot

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever (Post 925477)
I agree with the move back to JV. He has ridden @ Ascot before while JR hasn't.

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 925504)
Another Dick move by Barry imo. Why are there so many good horses owned by a Dick?

I'm pretty critical of Irwin generally, but this situation involved factors other than his usual peccadilloes. It involves some tensions between the Animal Kingdom 'camp' and Rosario agent Ron Anderson.

Kasept 04-28-2013 04:21 AM

As to Rosario overall, coupled with Anderson's famously outstanding 'agentship', he's sure elevated himself to the top of the rider pecking order nationally.

Danzig 04-28-2013 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925654)
I'm pretty critical of Irwin generally, but this situation involved factors other than his usual peccadilloes. It involves some tensions between the Animal Kingdom 'camp' and Rosario agent Ron Anderson.

i did note in the article that they had concerns about workouts.

i don't agree or disagree with the change, just found it odd-and i didn't buy it being just about experience at ascot.

freddymo 04-28-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925655)
As to Rosario overall, coupled with Anderson's famously outstanding 'agentship', he's sure elevated himself to the top of the rider pecking order nationally.

By riding Ramsey's Rockets? Rosario is terrific but lets not too excited about wins on horses that were primed to excel. Surely any competent jock would have been able to be carried to the finish line by those "well meant" animals.

Danzig 04-28-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 925709)
By riding Ramsey's Rockets? Rosario is terrific but lets not too excited about wins on horses that were primed to excel. Surely any competent jock would have been able to be carried to the finish line by those "well meant" animals.

isn't that what he meant by agentship?

bigjag0716 05-01-2013 07:28 PM

World class rider that I have been a fan of since he was riding here in the Bay Area a few years back. The dude just rides so calm and cool, you usually don't get cheated with a sub-par ride when he rides a horse you bet on.

tywizard 05-01-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 925654)
I'm pretty critical of Irwin generally, but this situation involved factors other than his usual peccadilloes. It involves some tensions between the Animal Kingdom 'camp' and Rosario agent Ron Anderson.

Definition: a slight offense

Thought I'd save some others from having to look up...

Bet you're hard to beat at scrabble.

Danzig 05-02-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tywizard (Post 926204)
Definition: a slight offense
Thought I'd save some others from having to look up...

Bet you're hard to beat at scrabble.

i'm sure if i used that work around here, people would think i was talking about a box of armadilloes.
i used the word 'lucrative' at work one day, the boss said we don't use big words around here. i didn't know lucrative was a big word....

Clip-Clop 05-02-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 926233)
i'm sure if i used that work around here, people would think i was talking about a box of armadilloes.
i used the word 'lucrative' at work one day, the boss said we don't use big words around here. i didn't know lucrative was a big word....

Arkansas right? 8 letters too. :)

santana 05-02-2013 12:59 PM

The rides that Rosario just gave in race 2 and 3 at Churchill were pretty Awesome.....Reminds of the days when Cordero would lose the lead and nail em at the wire...:tro:

ateamstupid 05-04-2013 05:44 PM

Very happy for Shug/Joel. Two guys who do all the dirty work to be as great as they are.

mclem0822 05-04-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 926886)
Very happy for Shug/Joel. Two guys who do all the dirty work to be as great as they are.

Well said :tro:


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