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FATPIANO 04-25-2013 09:58 AM

Doug O'Neill says "I'll Have Another" -- Barred from BC '14
 
Derby winner in my barn next week, when Goldencents kicks clear in the stretch and WINS The 139th Kentucky Derby.............:D:D:D

my miss storm cat 04-25-2013 11:02 AM

Sorry but he can't see into the future.

Now if he had a crystal ball or an Orb or something, maybe.

Danzig 04-25-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 925101)
Sorry but he can't see into the future.

Now if he had a crystal ball or an Orb or something, maybe.

:D

my miss storm cat 10-02-2014 09:52 AM

I'll Have Another...

Suspension.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live....024&category=0

Pants II 10-02-2014 10:14 AM

Oh how convenient...right after the BC.
This sport is just horrendously bad.

It promotes evil thugs. Period.

These disciplinarians are nothing more than crony-appointed sissies. No balls.

IRS nowhere to be found. Fraud committed daily. Takeout raised to support these criminal scumbags.

Pants II 10-02-2014 10:23 AM

I have a question.

Any person with half a brain knows that Dutrow Jr. is really Michelle Nevin.

Is there anything being done to catch this criminal? Wire-tapping...anything.

It's an insult to fans of this sport that this **** is being allowed.

Rudeboyelvis 10-02-2014 10:32 AM

The comments are priceless:

>>>As an ex racing man I cannot believe how this O''neill git has still got a licence , banned for 45 days, ah what a bother, his horses will still be trained and he can go on holiday. with a record like his he should be barred for life habitual cheater<<<


Of course in Brittan pesky little things like "multiple drugs overages" and "failing to ride your mount to the best possible finish" are taken seriously as they appear to impact the integrity of the sport

my miss storm cat 10-02-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1000365)
The comments are priceless:

>>>As an ex racing man I cannot believe how this O''neill git has still got a licence , banned for 45 days, ah what a bother, his horses will still be trained and he can go on holiday. with a record like his he should be barred for life habitual cheater<<<

:tro:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1000364)
I have a question.

Any person with half a brain knows that Dutrow Jr. is really Michelle Nevin.

Is there anything being done to catch this criminal? Wire-tapping...anything.

It's an insult to fans of this sport that this **** is being allowed.

It's alright, Coachie, it's not happening!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IBnfkcrsM

Kasept 10-02-2014 10:43 AM

More detailed story from Grening/DRF: http://www.drf.com/news/oneill-suspe...ing-commission

Pants II 10-02-2014 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 1000366)
:tro:



It's alright, Coachie, it's not happening!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IBnfkcrsM

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

Pants II 10-02-2014 11:04 AM

"Fool me 20 times well...uh...when would you like to serve your suspension, Doug O'Neckbeard? *cowers* Oh god I hope I don't offend the wrong master! I've got a mortgage to pay!"

my miss storm cat 10-02-2014 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1000368)

!!!!! :tro:

10 pnt move up 10-02-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1000367)
More detailed story from Grening/DRF: http://www.drf.com/news/oneill-suspe...ing-commission

Its amazing how all these trainers say they have no idea how this happened and its a mistake.

God would you want to entrust your money and investments with that type of response.

helicopter11 10-02-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1000388)
Its amazing how all these trainers say they have no idea how this happened and its a mistake.

God would you want to entrust your money and investments with that type of response.

Dont forget the owners too. Ahmed Zayat played dumb and put on a phony rage charade on Twitter following the Assmussen debacle. When you spend millions of dollars on horses and say you have no idea whats going on in the stables of a Trainer you employed is not believable.

skyfire 10-02-2014 08:56 PM

Huh?
 
:confused:And of course he can run in the Breeders Cup:zz:

Danzig 10-03-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by skyfire (Post 1000447)
:confused:And of course he can run in the Breeders Cup:zz:

yeah, that's one of the highlights of these occurrences-they give the suspensions around big days, that'll really hurt. :rolleyes:

isn't the point of a suspension that it's harsh?

as for ahmed and others like him-these owners purposefully seek these trainers, because the adage says 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying'. they want to win, they don't necessarily want the best horse.

I do have to give points tho...instead of a 'do you think I'm stupid' defense, he went with the 'I wasn't there' defense...cause goodness knows that there's no way to communicate via that new-fangled phone contraption.

jms62 10-03-2014 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1000475)
yeah, that's one of the highlights of these occurrences-they give the suspensions around big days, that'll really hurt. :rolleyes:

isn't the point of a suspension that it's harsh?

as for ahmed and others like him-these owners purposefully seek these trainers, because the adage says 'if you're not cheating, you're not trying'. they want to win, they don't necessarily want the best horse.

Those owners donate to horse related charities so they are horse loving people. :rolleyes:

Danzig 10-03-2014 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1000478)
Those owners donate to horse related charities so they are horse loving people. :rolleyes:

:D

yeah, buying indulgences is a time-honored tradition.

Kasept 10-03-2014 11:25 AM

Statement from Breeders' Cup Ltd., President and CEO Craig Fravel

“Due to the recent administrative action by the New York State Gaming Commission, Breeders' Cup Limited has informed trainer Doug O'Neill, and has notified the California Horse Racing Board, of the provisions of the Breeders' Cup Convicted Trainers rule. Under that rule, adopted in 2010 and amended in 2012, Mr. O’Neill will not be permitted to pre-enter horses in the 2014 Breeders’ Cup World Championships.”

The Breeders’ Cup Convicted Trainers Rule states the following: No person may participate as a trainer of a horse pre-entered or entered in a Breeders’ Cup World Championships race if that person, during the twelve months preceding the Breeders’ Cup World Championships, has been found by any racing regulatory agency, whether a governmental agency or a non-governmental regulatory body, to have violated a racing regulation prohibiting the possession or use of any substance listed under Class 1, carrying Category “A” or “B” penalties, or Class 2, carrying a Category “A” penalty, in the Association of Racing Commissioners International Uniform Classification Guidelines for Foreign Substances or a racing regulation prohibiting the possession or use of steroids and the appeal periods for such finding shall have expired or all appeals, if any, will have received final disposition (a “Drug Conviction”).

jms62 10-03-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1000512)
Statement from Breeders' Cup Ltd., President and CEO Craig Fravel

“Due to the recent administrative action by the New York State Gaming Commission, Breeders' Cup Limited has informed trainer Doug O'Neill, and has notified the California Horse Racing Board, of the provisions of the Breeders' Cup Convicted Trainers rule. Under that rule, adopted in 2010 and amended in 2012, Mr. O’Neill will not be permitted to pre-enter horses in the 2014 Breeders’ Cup World Championships.”

The Breeders’ Cup Convicted Trainers Rule states the following: No person may participate as a trainer of a horse pre-entered or entered in a Breeders’ Cup World Championships race if that person, during the twelve months preceding the Breeders’ Cup World Championships, has been found by any racing regulatory agency, whether a governmental agency or a non-governmental regulatory body, to have violated a racing regulation prohibiting the possession or use of any substance listed under Class 1, carrying Category “A” or “B” penalties, or Class 2, carrying a Category “A” penalty, in the Association of Racing Commissioners International Uniform Classification Guidelines for Foreign Substances or a racing regulation prohibiting the possession or use of steroids and the appeal periods for such finding shall have expired or all appeals, if any, will have received final disposition (a “Drug Conviction”).

Would be nice if they don't allow a O'Neill by Proxy trained horse to run.

Danzig 10-03-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 1000513)
Asmussen must have been horrified to learn that the horse he claimed had raced with a forbidden substance.

:D

Danzig 10-03-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1000514)
Would be nice if they don't allow a O'Neill by Proxy trained horse to run.

they should perhaps add a rule that a horse in the barn of a trainer under suspension can't enter under another's name unless he's been moved for at least 14 days-or something along those lines.

Aly-Sheba 10-04-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1000518)
they should perhaps add a rule that a horse in the barn of a trainer under suspension can't enter under another's name unless he's been moved for at least 14 days-or something along those lines.

Yes that would be a good start. Until they start putting a lot of pressure on the owners, these trainers will continue.

Danzig 10-04-2014 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 1000667)
Yes that would be a good start. Until they start putting a lot of pressure on the owners, these trainers will continue.

except it really doesn't matter the more I think about it.

trainers have friends in high places, the owners. along with others in the industry. so, when someone breaks a rule, they all defend said trainer. he would never, he's a nice guy, etc. so, the supposed powers that be really don't do much, because they don't want the owners to leave the game, thus taking away their money. so, they don't do anything.

so, why bother with the testing and other protocols? just say, forget it. because they spend time and money, and pretend to want to change things....but only some really want to change it. plenty of others want to win at all costs, and they have the money and power.
but hey, let's all bash on Lasix, the poster boy of drugs...while turning a blind eye to horses mysteriously developing medical issues, dying in a trainers barn at a high rate, etc. nothing to see there, move along.

ontheoutside 10-05-2014 11:35 AM

does that mean no oniels horse can run?
 
i understand barring the trainer
but what about the owners
kind of not fair to them
can they switch toanother trainer so they can run?

Danzig 10-05-2014 05:56 PM

Not fair to them? They hired him, knowing his record.

casp0555 10-05-2014 09:22 PM

DON statement from DON Racing website.

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state.html

Rupert Pupkin 10-06-2014 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheoutside (Post 1000958)
i understand barring the trainer
but what about the owners
kind of not fair to them
can they switch toanother trainer so they can run?

They won't need to switch trainers. In most of these cases, the horses just run in the assistant trainer's name. I'm sure that is what will happen here.

Rupert Pupkin 10-07-2014 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1001031)
They won't need to switch trainers. In most of these cases, the horses just run in the assistant trainer's name. I'm sure that is what will happen here.

I think I spoke too soon. In this particular case, the horses will not be allowed to simply run in the assistant's name, at least not in New York. The question is whether other states will reciprocate on that specific part of the ruling.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...in-california/

pointman 10-09-2014 05:00 PM

O'Neill suspended again for probationary violation.

http://www.drf.com/news/probation-vi...her-suspension

Apparently, the CHRB doesn't understand what a "stay" means despite the fact that they originally gave one to O'Neill.

But, you know, it must have been the hay that was in the stall before his horse was put there.

cmorioles 10-09-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1001411)
O'Neill suspended again for probationary violation.

http://www.drf.com/news/probation-vi...her-suspension

Apparently, the CHRB doesn't understand what a "stay" means despite the fact that they originally gave one to O'Neill.

They stayed 90 of the stay. You can't make this stuff up. And on top of that some it (19 days) will run concurrently with New York suspension.

pointman 10-09-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 1001412)
They stayed 90 of the stay. You can't make this stuff up. And on top of that some it (19 days) will run concurrently with New York suspension.

I thought that States honor each others suspensions. If so, why is he not suspended for the entire term of each suspension in both jurisdictions?

10 pnt move up 10-09-2014 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 1001412)
They stayed 90 of the stay. You can't make this stuff up. And on top of that some it (19 days) will run concurrently with New York suspension.

Its awesome isnt it.

Racing.

cmorioles 10-09-2014 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1001413)
I thought that States honor each others suspensions. If so, why is he not suspended for the entire term of each suspension in both jurisdictions?

Because it is horse racing? I can't answer, I just shake my head.

Danzig 10-09-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1001413)
I thought that States honor each others suspensions. If so, why is he not suspended for the entire term of each suspension in both jurisdictions?

That's how it used to be. Seems tho that asmussen served two separate sentences simultaneously a few years ago.
Like I said, they say they want a clean sport.....but we all know actions speak louder than words,don't they?

Danzig 10-10-2014 10:51 AM

The CHRB and O'Neill entered into a stipulated agreement, under which the controversial trainer is suspended for 135 days—90 days of which are stayed—and placed on probation for 18 months for violation of a board decision May 24, 2012.

and why did they stay 90 days?! it's not as tho he's been clean as a whistle until now.
absolutely ridiculous.

Pants II 10-10-2014 11:12 AM

O'Neill ran into PVal after the hearing...


casp0555 10-10-2014 04:54 PM

most recent statement from DON posted on Team O'Neill Racing website

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state2.html

cmorioles 10-11-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1001521)
most recent statement from DON posted on Team O'Neill Racing website

http://www.dougoneillracing.com/state2.html

That letter sums up everything that is wrong...OUR TEAM. There is no punishment in reality, just business as usual with O'Neill getting some vacation time.


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