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Kasept 03-13-2013 12:57 PM

3/16 (OP): Rebel S. (G2), Azeri S. (G3)
 
9th (5:13) Azeri S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Tiz Miz Sue Rocco J S Jr 113 L
2 Holy Heavens Ocampo I 113 L
3 She's All In Quinonez L S 119 L
4 Songs and Sonnets Gomez G K 115 L
5 Keiai Tokyo Homeister R B Jr 113 L
6 Don't Tell Sophia Albarado R J 119 L
7 My Miss Aurelia Nakatani C S 119 L



10th (5:48) Rebel S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $600,000

2 Carve Nakatani C S 117 L
1 Treasury Bill Talamo J 115 L
3 Texas Bling Berry M C 119 L
4 Delhomme Gomez G K 115 L
5 Hardrock Eleven Thompson T J 115 L
6 Den's Legacy Albarado R J 119 L
7 Will Take Charge Court J K 122 L
8 Stormy Holiday Bell D C 115 L
1A Title Contender Quinonez L S 115 L
9 Oxbow Smith M E 122 L
10 Super Ninety Nine Bejarano R 122 L

A-Coupled: Treasury Bill and Title Contender

FATPIANO 03-13-2013 03:00 PM

It Will Be The Old 6/9
Den's Legacy Over Oxbow

lemoncrush 03-13-2013 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 919146)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $600,000

2 Carve Nakatani C S 117 L
1 Treasury Bill Talamo J 115 L
3 Texas Bling Berry M C 119 L
4 Delhomme Gomez G K 115 L
5 Hardrock Eleven Thompson T J 115 L
6 Den's Legacy Albarado R J 119 L
7 Will Take Charge Court J K 122 L
8 Stormy Holiday Bell D C 115 L
1A Title Contender Quinonez L S 115 L
9 Oxbow Smith M E 122 L
10 Super Ninety Nine Bejarano R 122 L

A-Coupled: Treasury Bill and Title Contender

5 West coast jockeys are coming to Oaklawn Saturday? Nice to give some other jockeys a chance to win a race back at Santa Anita on saturday. :)

geojr130 03-13-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 919165)
5 West coast jockeys are coming to Oaklawn Saturday? Nice to give some other jockeys a chance to win a race back at Santa Anita on saturday. :)

How many left coast horses won the derby in the last 10 years? I think two? I'll have another and the guy that had the crutches horse?

cakes44 03-14-2013 07:36 AM

Is that 3 for DWL in there or has one of those horses changed hands?

NTamm1215 03-14-2013 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 919239)
Is that 3 for DWL in there or has one of those horses changed hands?

Just two. Oxbow and Will Take Charge.

Dahoss 03-14-2013 08:43 AM

What's up with the undercard at Oaklawn on Saturday? Pretty weak.

cmorioles 03-14-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 919243)
What's up with the undercard at Oaklawn on Saturday? Pretty weak.

They save most of the good stuff for the Festival of the South or whatever it is called.

Conrad 03-14-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by geojr130 (Post 919223)
How many left coast horses won the derby in the last 10 years? I think two? I'll have another and the guy that had the crutches horse?

Don't forget Giacomo

Calzone Lord 03-14-2013 09:03 AM

Mine That Bird was a Canadian horse as a 2yo and prepped exclusively at Sunland.

Dahoss 03-14-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 919244)
They save most of the good stuff for the Festival of the South or whatever it is called.

I know but it's a month away. How about an allowance race or two? I guess on the bright side the fields are big, which is good.

Calzone Lord 03-14-2013 09:54 AM

Eoin Harty and Casner continue to refuse to give Right To Vote lasix. He goes in the last race on that OP card.

I know they're trying to prove a point and all, or something, but that horse would probably benefit from the medication judging by the way he's stopped so suddenly in his last two races.

I guess they're trying not to look hypocritical or whatever... but are you really hypocritical saying you're against something, and using it, if using it is legal, widely used, and prevents a specific horse or two from a disadvantage?

NTamm1215 03-14-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 919255)
Eoin Harty and Casner continue to refuse to give Right To Vote lasix. He goes in the last race on that OP card.

I know they're trying to prove a point and all, or something, but that horse would probably benefit from the medication judging by the way he's stopped so suddenly in his last two races.

I guess they're trying not to look hypocritical or whatever... but are you really hypocritical saying you're against something, and using it, if using it is legal, widely used, and prevents a specific horse or two from a disadvantage?

Endorsement has slid into oblivion also, and his performances look like they have a lot to do with him not taking medication.

As far as these races go, Don't Tell Sophia is poised to exploit the overrated My Miss Aurelia. Don't Tell Sophia's last two races were excellent.

cakes44 03-14-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 919240)
Just two. Oxbow and Will Take Charge.

My bad...got title contender mixed up with titletown five. Thanks.

PatCummings 03-15-2013 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 919487)
Agreed.

The 7th Race is for $16,000 claimers.

Seven races into a big card and this is what Oaklawn delivers, when its next big card is four weeks away?

Also, the big fields are great, but it's not as if you can play Pick 3s out of the box; you have to wait until Race 4, I believe.


If NYRA offered this...

I'm waiting to see how many races can go off at the same time or within two minutes of Gulfstream, Aqueduct, Fair Grounds, Santa Anita. I'll set the line at 6.5

herkhorse 03-16-2013 07:12 AM

What a bunch of whiners. :zz: Unless you live in Illinois, there's not really anything to b.itch about.

NTamm1215 03-16-2013 09:42 AM

I don't mind the cheaper races since the fields are big. However, Oaklawn's wagering menu is deplorable.

herkhorse 03-16-2013 09:52 AM

I don't know about deplorable, but it's definitely old school. Other than adding rolling DD's and 3 more pick 3's, it seems pretty normal to me. Maybe the $ just isn't there.

NTamm1215 03-16-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 919520)
I don't know about deplorable, but it's definitely old school. Other than adding rolling DD's and 3 more pick 3's, it seems pretty normal to me. Maybe the $ just isn't there.

It's not normal to regularly have fields of 8+ where there's no superfecta. They only have supers on the 4th, 6th, and 9th on a regular weekday card. On a day like today, they have no super on the 1st (9 horses), 2nd (11 horses), 3rd (12 horses), 5th (11 horses), 7th (12 horses), and 8th (12 horses). That's lunacy.

They have only one Pick 4 and limited Pick 3s, as you referenced. The two daily doubles per day are well behind the times.

Oaklawn's biggest problem is they cater FAR too much to the local customers. That's nice of them, but it ignores racing in the modern day and goes a long way towards why 1/3rd of their handle on weekends is on-track.

They regularly handle less than Fair Grounds and Tampa Bay on Saturdays because they do a HORRIBLE job of managing their post times and have limited wagering options.

I like Oaklawn, but is a grossly mis-managed racetrack.

herkhorse 03-16-2013 12:16 PM

Fair enough, maybe part of the problem is they run their operation out of Aberdeen Mississippi.

my miss storm cat 03-16-2013 01:13 PM

Treasury Bill to win, Super 99 off the board. (Using Carve and Den's Legacy underneath).

Oxbow is very pretty (oh be quiet I had to say that) but today won't be his day (now watch him win). :rolleyes:

pointman 03-16-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 919536)
It's not normal to regularly have fields of 8+ where there's no superfecta. They only have supers on the 4th, 6th, and 9th on a regular weekday card. On a day like today, they have no super on the 1st (9 horses), 2nd (11 horses), 3rd (12 horses), 5th (11 horses), 7th (12 horses), and 8th (12 horses). That's lunacy.

They have only one Pick 4 and limited Pick 3s, as you referenced. The two daily doubles per day are well behind the times.

Oaklawn's biggest problem is they cater FAR too much to the local customers. That's nice of them, but it ignores racing in the modern day and goes a long way towards why 1/3rd of their handle on weekends is on-track.

They regularly handle less than Fair Grounds and Tampa Bay on Saturdays because they do a HORRIBLE job of managing their post times and have limited wagering options.

I like Oaklawn, but is a grossly mis-managed racetrack.

I agree with this completely. I enjoy playing Oaklawn when I am on track which is about once a year, but really find it hard to play it otherwise. Would it kill them to have rolling doubles? How about just having a double between the Azeri and the Rebel? Seems to me that modernizing their wagering options would go a long way to increasing handle.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-16-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 919575)
Treasury Bill to win, Super 99 off the board. (Using Carve and Den's Legacy underneath).

Oxbow is very pretty (oh be quiet I had to say that) but today won't be his day (now watch him win). :rolleyes:

Hopefully, Treasury Bill will only run good enough to get a big-day money jock put up on him. Pity the connections that have this jock on a huge day.

herkhorse 03-16-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 919240)
Just two. Oxbow and Will Take Charge.

:D
:tro:

"I felt pretty good 100 yards from the wire" Lukas said.

letswastemoney 03-16-2013 07:54 PM

The form of the Remsen horses doesn't seem to match the solid speed figure they earned.

HaloWishingwell 03-17-2013 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 919240)
Just two. Oxbow and Will Take Charge.

Nice pick

NTamm1215 03-17-2013 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell (Post 919725)
Nice pick

Funny, I was only answering Herk's question about how many Lukas entrants were in the race. If only it were that easy!

JJP 03-17-2013 10:16 AM

Virtually identical final times in the Azeri and Rebel yet a giant difference in the fractional times. Once again, Oxbow didn't win, but ran a superior race to the winner. As for the Azeri, how could a closer overcome the 1:14 1/5 pace and run down the two heavy chalks? My Miss Aurelia just isn't as good as many thought.

GenuineRisk 03-17-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 919729)
Funny, I was only answering Herk's question about how many Lukas entrants were in the race. If only it were that easy!

And this has been today's example of why context is important. If only the media could grasp this. :D

Calzone Lord 03-17-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP (Post 919735)
As for the Azeri, how could a closer overcome the 1:14 1/5 pace and run down the two heavy chalks? My Miss Aurelia just isn't as good as many thought.

Tiz Miz Sue's performance was quite alarming. Hard to believe she was able to circle around the two favorites and win, both of them laid way off of the very slow early pace.

I wonder what kind of odds she would have traded at with four furlongs to go if we had In-Race Exchange betting.

Calzone Lord 03-17-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 919709)
The form of the Remsen horses doesn't seem to match the solid speed figure they earned.

Technically speaking, that figure is solid ... the top three just haven't handled the long layoffs.

The Remsen figure was very fast the year To Honor and Serve beat Mucho Macho Man.

To Honor And Serve was a soundly beaten 3rd in each of his next two starts in Derby preps at Gulfstream. He was sixth in the Amsterdam in his next start after that. Ended up winning a pair of Grade 1 races later on, but was certainly no superstar.

Mucho Macho Man was 4th in the Holy Bull as a beaten favorite in his comeback. He was 2nd in last years BC Classic and has proven a very good horse on his day.

In more recent history, there are a lot of form reversals both ways with early season 3-year-olds. We've already had a 100/1 longshot win a major prep at FG. Will Take Charge was beaten 18 lengths by Super Ninety Nine a few weeks ago under a lot of very different circumstances -- It'smyluckyday was nowhere with a clear wide trip in the Delta Jackpot, he's blitzing them in Florida now.

Form can get pretty fickle with these delicate young horses.

Calzone Lord 03-17-2013 04:15 PM

http://www.drf.com/sites/default/fil...nd%20Serve.pdf

http://www1.drf.com/tc/kentuckyderby...MachoManPP.pdf

Mountain Town, who finished 3rd in that Remsen, never ran another race.


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