Hunters Are Awesome
 

The hunter who killed the world's most famous wolf must be so proud of himself. There is something wrong with our laws when it is legal for some scumbag to murder a wolf, just for kicks.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192609281.html

Was the wolf shot illegally?

nope.

and 'murdered'?! murdered. :rolleyes:

Nothing like people SHOVING their beliefs down your throat AND painting an entire group of people (hunters) with a broad brush.

I cried:confused:

Well, according to the article, there were an estimated 1700 wolves in the Rocky Mountain area, and since opening them up to being shot, hunters have already killed over 250 of them. At this rate, it's not likely to be an issue for very long. The good people of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming will have killed them all in four years or so.

No, she wasn't shot illegally. That was part of the point. Why should it would be legal for someone to shoot a wolf, just for fun?

The other thing that is so amazing is that anyone would want to kill an animal for fun. If someone hunts and they are going to eat what they kill, that is one thing.

With regard to your assertion that I was shoving my beliefs down your throat, this has nothing to do with beliefs, any more than if I said that a guy was a bad guy who murdered a little girl. Both things are no-brainers. There is no justification for either act. I'm not saying anything controversial. What possible justification could there be for killing (or murdering or whatever you want to call it) a beautiful animal for fun? Just because it is legal, that doesn't make it moral. In some muslim countries, they behead people for converting to other religions. Since it's legal, does that make it ok?

I am strongly against governments beheading people for leaving Islam. Since I strongly condemn that, would that be another example of me shoving my opinion down your throat?

So many animal species we've lost or nearly lost because someone needed a trophy on their wall.

It is so very unfortunate that they have lost their protection.

Just because it's an animal, it's not murder? If I shot a person for fun, it would be murder.

If I shot a person for fun but did it in a way so that it was legal (such as pretending that it was self-defense), would that be murder?

Why do you think it's alright to kill an animal for fun? I know you don't think it's alright to kill a person for fun. Is it just a matter of you thinking that animals have no rights? In other words, since they are only animals and we are humans (and we are superior), we should be able to kill them for fun?

Yes, thats right. Killing an animal isnt murder, which is defined as a person killing another person. I dont think one should kill for fun, but i also dont thnik that an animal killing rises to the level of murder.
Hell, the cowboy who drove drunk and wrecked, causing the death of his friend wasnt even charged with murder, but with manslaughter.

The guy on the Cowboys didn't do it intentionally. When it's an accident, I usually wouldn't consider it "murder".

With regard to killing an animal for fun, I know it's not considered murder in a legal sense. I know a person can't get charged with murder for killing an animal. However, I still think it's appropriate to call it "murder". If I had a dog and some guy poisoned my dog or shot my dog, is there really a big difference whether I use the word "killed" my dog vs "murdered" my dog? I think both words pretty much have the same meaning to most people.

the fact it was a dui tends to make it rather less than accidental.

i ate shrimp for dinner; does that mean i'm an accessory to murder? the wolf was killed legally-it's not murder. it's not a human, no law was broken.

Hunting is perfectly legal and you are most certainly shoving your beliefs down our throat. You putting it on the same par as beheading is beyond laughable and is a new level of absurd even for you.

I never said it's the same as beheading people. I was giving you an analogy. I was simply saying it is perfectly legal to behead people for leaving Islam in some muslim countries. Who cares whether it is legal or not. Is the legality what you rely on to decide whether something is moral?

As I said, there is no possible justification for killing a wolf, just for fun. How can you defend it on any level? Maybe I'm missing something. Tell me what I'm missing. If you have a good argument explaining why there is nothing wrong with shooting a wolf for laughs, I'd love to hear it.

Rupert, I think you are labeling all hunters as rednecks, which they are not.

Rednecks are all rednecks. Hunters are not.

It's the redneck that likes to kill for kicks.

Few things are more disturbing than walking into a house full of "trophies" of dead animals.

Isnt that exactly what an analogy is? The justification is they are partcipating in a legal activity and dont need to justify anything to you or anyone. An activity that has been around since man has been able to stand erect and walk. And saying they do it for "laughs" is demeaning. Saying they are "murderers" is demeaning and patently absurd to the tenth degree. Again jamming your values down our throat but of course AS ALWAYS, you will do that and then post that you were not doing it. Do racing fans need to justify what they do because after all because animals sometimes die during this sport? Is fishing also murder? I trapped a mouse in my attic am I now a confessed murderer? Should the government ban hunting? If you say yes then you have wildly hypocritical views for such a conserative, less government UNLESS it is something You want more government for. Sadly typical of your ilk.

:tro:

mentioned to someone that we had a black fox squirrel living in our yard. he said 'you ought to shoot it'. i asked why? so that i could have it mounted, so i could see it. i said 'but i can see it now, in my yard'.

seems that people in that area wanted wolf hunting so as to protect their flocks, their herds. yeah, it's all 'just for fun'. no other reason then for kicks.

and if you had fun trapping that mouse, you're no better than ted bundy.

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet, it's not even close.

All persons,rednecks,non-rednecks,hunters,non-hunters, et al that are found quilty of shooting animals 'for fun' shall have all firearms removed and never again allowed to own any weapon...problem solved...NRA files protest of course..:rolleyes:

hay!! :D

The analogy was that there are plenty of examples of things that are legal yet still totally wrong. If I give you an example of one of those things, it doesn't mean I'm saying that the thing is the exact same thing. It means I'm saying here is an example of another thing that is legal that is wrong (immoral).

You guys are the ones who are totally hypocritical. If there is an activity that you are ok with, then your justification for the activity being ok is that the activity is legal or it's been around for a long time. But if it's an activity that you're not ok with, then whether it's legal is irrelevant. Even if your views are correct and mine are wrong, your debating skills definitely need work. You can't justify something as being ok because it's legal or because it's been around for a long time, if you're not going to use that same reasoning for other activities that you disapprove of.

I guess we should never change laws. If something is legal and it's been around for a long time then I guess it's ok. Why would need to change it.

I never said that all hunting should be banned. I'm certainly not a fan of hunting and I can't imagine how anyone would get pleasure out of killing a beautiful animal. Despite that, I probably wouldn't advocate a total ban. But I think the laws should be much stricter and if someone wants to kill something there should have to be a very strong justification for it. If a person is going to eat it, then fine. But then there should be a strict limit on the numbers.

that simply isn't true. some people sport hunt. i don't. it's not my thing. i don't think it should be made illegal because i personally don't understand it. it's like marijuana. i would never use it, even if i wanted to, because it's illegal. however, if they made it legal (which i think they should) i still wouldn't use it, because i'm just not interested. but i think everyone should be free to decide for themselves. just like hunting. because it's legal, you still don't have to engage. if the wolf hunting causes a decline in numbers, they'll halt it again-but other hunting would continue.
and it's got nothing to do with debating skills. hell, romney 'won' a debate-it meant nothing because his ideas are still bad. besides, each activity must be judged on its own merits. and sometimes it is easiest to just say, hey, it's legal.
and you're the one who initially brought up legalities-that wolf hunting should be illegal, because you disapprove. but now you're rambling on about hypocrisy and legality. yeesh.

It wasn't a straw man argument in the least bit. I was simply saying that using the legality argument to justify something doesn't work because there are plenty of things that are legal (in this country and other countries) that shouldn't be legal. And that is why laws are often changed.

The reason I don't think you can compare marijuana use is because it's not hurting anyone if I use marijuana. If I smoke marijuana in the privacy of my own home, how is that hurting anyone? How does that affect you? It has no affect on you. But if I kill the most famous wolf in Yellowstone National Park, that affects a lot of people. Nobody will ever see that wolf again. I've taken something that's not mine and robbed every tourist and visitor of the joy of seeing that beautiful animal.

Can you not see the difference between an activity that affects other people as compared to an activity that doesn't? There used to be laws on the books in many states against certain sex acts. I believe oral sex was illegal in many states. That is obviously absurd because it is none of anyone's business what two people want to do with each other behind closed doors. On the other hand, if I want to cut down a big tree at the park, that is other people's business because other people may like that tree and they may not want that tree to disappear. I should not be able to cut down that tree and there should be a law against it. That is completely different from something I do behind closed doors that has no affect on anyone.

a friend of mines dogs were recently murdered. He went to get food, came home and his two dogs had their throats slit and disembowled. If that isnt murder, I dont know what is. Whoever did that should never be a free person ever again.

ouch!..that one hurts..:tro: let's play fair now.

easily

Candice Berner, 32, female March 8, 2010 (discovered) Berner, a teacher and avid jogger, was found dead along a road near Chignik Lake, Alaska, a village about 475 miles southwest of Anchorage, Alaska. Snowmobilers found her mutilated body with wolf tracks in the adjacent snow. The Alaska State Medical Examiner ruled that her death was caused by "multiple injuries due to animal mauling."
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It's kill or be killed damn it!!

I declare war on all wolves!! Matter of fact, I'm murdering all foxes, dogs, jackals, coyotes, and even ferrets... You just never know

Yes they are just gentle creatures

http://trib.com/news/state-and-regio...cf54ab7de.html

http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011/...darby-montana/

http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.as...rticleID=15962

http://www.cookcountynews-herald.com...by_wolves.html

http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/h...ilbraham-horse

at first i wondered why his one leg was so long and then i slowly began to understand that i shouldn't be looking at this on my work computer.

if we're lucky, richard will join us with a tribute to this magnificent creature.

Just when i had convinced myself it was a LEG and it was just maybe a matter of viewpoint....

There is truly nothing more disgusting than seeing a straw man in a state of arousal!!

wolves are dangerous mofo's.

I'd never hunt them for sport.

But if i was out in the wilderness and came across a wolf pack, I'd sure hope i had an automatic weapon on me.

"In the past 100 years, there have been only two incidents in North America, in 2005 and 2010, where wolves have allegedly killed a human being. In comparison to deaths caused by other large carnivores, this is an extremely rare rate of occurrence.
Wolves usually have a natural fear of people that is only eroded when they learn to associate humans and human settlement with opportunities to find food."

http://www.livingwithwolves.org/AW_question1.html

You have a 1000x times greater chance of being killed by a dog. In the US, there are usually over 20 people killed every year by dogs.

Check out this amazing video of the Warriors and Wolves program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFLCctF0pj8

Thanks for the sobering statistics showing now besides the maiming, disfiguring of our pets , the destruction of our lifestock and game that it is now gotten to the alarming point that within the last seven years wolfs are not only attacking people and maiming them, they are actually killing them. I think those in charge of conservation have indeed done the right thing. Dismissing Bleeding Heart Liberals such as yourself and doing what is right for the wildlife population and human population. I am glad they don't see life as a Disney movie but the reality that it is. I have all the confidence in the world once they curtail the exploding wolf population (if that ever happens) they will once again shut down the hunting season. Thank god for hunters, they truly are Awesome. Disclosure. I am not a hunter however I respect their right to hunt and will continue to defend them against Bleeding Heart Liberals trying to interject more government into our lives and take away that right.

http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_003.htm

This.
Except I am a hunter, though wolves have yet to make it this far South it has become an increasing concern.