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Kasept 11-14-2012 07:17 AM

11/14: Aqueduct ($89k Dbl C/O)
 
Despite enjoying a nice snapback Sunday after a poor Saturday, pair of 4/6 carryover attempts was maddening. HollyPark sequence went to 2 clever players for $235k each, but a residual $89,500 double C/O is in place at the Big A this afternoon. As discussed with Andy Serling on Tuesday ATR, there could be enough spots for narrowing to enable appropriate spreads in the quandary events.


AQUEDUCT


POST-SCRATCHES


4th: MDN CLM, 3+, 1m (P6, P3, DD)

$89k double P6 C/O starts here..

As Andy said, there's a lot of 'go to' karma involved on Jason Servis & Jose Lezcano with Magic Harbor (SCR'D). He's the most consistent player in this weak group, but it's always distressing to lean on a maiden that runs similar races in MCLM ranks that they did v. MSW foes and still lose. Drops to lowest level, moves T2D and adds top pilot. Now or never. Doubt I've used two many Persaud runners in P6's, but can't help but notice that Know This turned into an actual horse when getting Lasix first time 2 weeks ago. Will be ignored.

Best Value: #10 Crushin Rock 10-1 6th
Next Best: #8 Praetorian Guard 4-1 WON ($5.80)
Exotics Use: #11 Know This 10-1 2nd
Super Add: #5 Tactical Saenz 6-1 4th


5th: NYSS, 3+, 7f (G/S, P3, DD)

You almost have to live and die with Sportswriter to build affordable tickets, but 7f is a different animal and strange things happen to pure three quarter types at this testing trip..

Most Likely: #2 Sportswriter 1-4 WON ($2.40)
Best Value: #7 Maggie's Hadder 10-1 3rd
Next Best: #1 Game Token 8-1 4th
Exotics Use: #5 Frisky Warrior 6-1 5th


6th: NY-MDN CLM, 2yo-F, 6f (P4, P3, DD)

As Andy and I mentioned, this is a weird agglomeration of misfit fillies including 3 nondescript FTS and 6 second time starters which exit 4 different races. Watch if the AE's get in as the 13 and 14 are as viable as the rest of this whatnot..

Best Value: #6 Wild Child 15-1 7th
Next Best: #2 Dee Dee's Comet 12-1 10th
Exotics Use: #4 Boldchildsrevenge 7-2 5th
Super Add: #7 T C Lane 3-1 9th


7th: OC/C, F&M-3+, 6f (P3, DD)

Solid set and agree wholeheartedly with Andy that with no shortage of speed lined up, Royal Sighting should get an ideal stalk and go trip under Ramon..

Most Likely: #4 Royal Sighting 3-1 WON ($9.10)
Best Value: #5 Funky Munky Mama 8-1 5th
Next Best: #8 Natalie Victoria 5-2 4th
Exotics Use: #7 Catinatree 6-1 3rd


8th: NY-OC/C, 3+, 1m (DD)

There are races that you look at and you feel like you aren't going to figure it out confidently no matter what you do. This is one of those for me. Roaring Conquest isn't anything special but feels like the most likely with anything close to the off turf win at Belmont two back. Southbeachsandy is a consistent sort but 0/7 at the trip, albeit with 4 placements. Bullnose Brick is preposterous, but he knows how to win, has races at FL and HOO that fit and may get an advantageous set up..

Most Likely: #7 Roaring Conquest 5-2 8th
Next Best: #5 Southbeachsandy 3-1 4th
Best Value: #1 Bullnose Brick 15-1 3rd
Exotics Use: #9 What's the Record 6-1 WON ($8.50)


9th: NY-MSW, 2yo, 8.5f-T

Turf listed as 'good' to start the day..

Best Value: #8 Captain Gaughen 8-1 3rd
Next Best: #7 Gulltopper 7-2 DNF
Exotics Use: #1 Ego Friendly 4-1 6th
Super Add: #2 Noosh's Tale 30-1 WON ($111.50)


<$150 P6 Play:

4: 4-5-8-9-10-11
5: 2
6: 2-4-6
7: 4
8: 5-7
9: 7-8

3x1x3x1x4x2 = 72 x $2 = $144


<$75 P4 Play:

6: 2-4-6-7
7: 4-5
8: 1-5-7
9: 1-2-3-5-7-8

4x2x3x6 = 144 x .50 = $72


Good luck!
Steve

Bogey 11-14-2012 07:31 AM

BOL Steve, I'm taking a stab as well. PK6 - 5 / 2 / 3 7 / 2 4 7 8 / 2 / 5 8 = $32

Kasept 11-14-2012 10:13 AM

AQU SCR/CHG'S

Huge SCR's as #3 Magic Harbor comes out of the 4th and #6 Face the Race exits the 9th...

ADJMK 11-14-2012 01:56 PM

That was quick. Showing the head on replay as they post the official sign.
Of course or old friend Randy P. jumps up and finally wins a race.

Kasept 11-14-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADJMK (Post 902024)
That was quick. Showing the head on replay as they post the official sign. Of course or old friend Randy P. jumps up and finally wins a race.

Was prepared for Persaud's Know This in the 4th, who ran well, but not for this one in the 6th.

Kasept 11-14-2012 03:23 PM

$126,543.00 for the P6..

$8,293.75 (.50) for the P4..

knickslions2 11-14-2012 03:34 PM

9th: NY-MSW, 2yo, 8.5f-T

Turf listed as 'good' to start the day..

Best Value: #8 Captain Gaughen 8-1 3rd
Next Best: #7 Gulltopper 7-2 DNF
Exotics Use: #1 Ego Friendly 4-1 6th
Super Add: #2 Noosh's Tale 30-1 WON ($111.50)

Very nice!!! Hope you had a taste of this one.

blackthroatedwind 11-14-2012 11:18 PM

In what galaxy are 4th choices "great selections?"

Kasept 11-16-2012 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arizonadave (Post 902068)
Steve, if you have time could you tell me what you saw in Noosh's Tale in the last race. Great selection.

Dave.

As Bos mentions above, discussed on radio Wednesday that strictly from a pedigree standpoint and as a big price, Noosh's Tale was a horse you probably wanted to include in your plays somehow. As a half to Yield Bogey he had plenty of license to put it together at some point and the prior two starts were not to be held against him with the off turf and saddle slip incident. As Andy points out, I hardly expected him to win and didn't bet him straight, but since it was a modest field, it was a good place to tinker and use a seemingly impossible type.

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 06:38 AM

Black Pot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 902091)
In what galaxy are 4th choices "great selections?"



when they pay $111.50 and you go 4 deep it would be the Milky Way galaxy.


From the guy who puts out 5 or 6 hosses in most races ? Too much time using public transportation, which in Boston, is for people who don't own a car.

jms62 11-16-2012 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902302)
when they pay $111.50 and you go 4 deep it would be the Milky Way galaxy.


From the guy who puts out 5 or 6 hosses in most races ? Too much time using public transportation, which in Boston, is for people who don't own a car.

Really classless to bust anyone about losing picks. It is a tough game in which we participate.

dino 11-16-2012 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 902305)
Really classless to bust anyone about losing picks. It is a tough game in which we participate.


Are you kidding me. Andy makes fun of everyone that disagree's with his opinion. I have never figured out if just his shtick or if he's really as arrogant as he comes across. Either way what goes around comes around.

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 902305)
Really classless to bust anyone about losing picks. It is a tough game in which we participate.


how is that busting someone about losing picks ? Surly was downplaying Byks awesome spotting of a 50-1 shot, who he had as an exotics use, just because he was 4th on the 4 hoss totem pole. Meanwhile he lists 5 or 6 hosses every race.

Oh and it's not schtick, he was that arrogant even as a teenager.

MaTH716 11-16-2012 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902302)
when they pay $111.50 and you go 4 deep it would be the Milky Way galaxy.


From the guy who puts out 5 or 6 hosses in most races ? Too much time using public transportation, which in Boston, is for people who don't own a car.

Have you even watched the show?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 902305)
Really classless to bust anyone about losing picks. It is a tough game in which we participate.

J, what do you really expect from a guy that rocks :rolleyes: cornro.....I mean Artisan Braids with a Tom Brady jersey......... :zz:

Dahoss 11-16-2012 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902320)
how is that busting someone about losing picks ? Surly was downplaying Byks awesome spotting of a 50-1 shot, who he had as an exotics use, just because he was 4th on the 4 hoss totem pole. Meanwhile he lists 5 or 6 hosses every race.

Oh and it's not schtick, he was that arrogant even as a teenager.

Andy doesn't list 5 or 6 horses a race, which you know. But aren't you the mook that advised boxing 5 horses in triples every race?

I'm confused.

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 09:09 AM

spending $30 and boxing 5 hosses in 12-14 hoss fields can be very profitable./

just went on talking hosses website. For friday in races 1 3 4 5 6 8 he has 5 selections, in race 9 he has 6. Care to respond mr. Hoss ?

MaTH716 11-16-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902328)
spending $30 and boxing 5 hosses in 12-14 hoss fields can be very profitable./

just went on talking hosses website. For friday in races 1 3 4 5 6 8 he has 5 selections, in race 9 he has 6. Care to respond mr. Hoss ?

Watch the 11:35 show and get back to us.

blackthroatedwind 11-16-2012 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 902324)
Andy doesn't list 5 or 6 horses a race, which you know. But aren't you the mook that advised boxing 5 horses in triples every race?

I'm confused.

He's too stupid to realize I am just doing my job, and giving extra picks to facilitate things for people in the TV truck in the case of scratches, as those picks are sent in at least two days in advance. Of course, I don't even give myself credit when I pick winners, much less EVER pat myself on the back for 2nd through 4th choices that might win. I am doing what is required for my job. Personally, I wouldn't give out choices at all, as the actual point is to stimulate discussion of the races, but the customers want picks, 1-4 for superfecta races, and the customer's needs come first.

blackthroatedwind 11-16-2012 09:44 AM

I wish people would go back and listen to Tuesday's show when this horse came up. Steve didn't endorse him, I talked about how I had lost money on the horse, and said that it hadn't shown an ability to run, something proven in its pps. NEVER did anyone either pick him or condemn his chances, he was merely mentioned as a part of the race, a race where the horse I selected was SCRATCHED.

The haters in this thread are laughable. Sorry if some of you have never argued about races with your friends ( we know at least one in this discussion has none ). I've done it all my life....and I'm not about to stop because some jealous crybabies in this thread don't like it. Judging by our audience for Talking Horses, many people that actually bet ( our intended audience ) would disagree with the haters here. To each their own.

Dahoss 11-16-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902328)
spending $30 and boxing 5 hosses in 12-14 hoss fields can be very profitable./

just went on talking hosses website. For friday in races 1 3 4 5 6 8 he has 5 selections, in race 9 he has 6. Care to respond mr. Hoss ?

My response is you have no idea what you're talking about and if you were showing a profit boxing 5 horses a race, you wouldn't have been on my nuts for 2 years begging me for my opinion.

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 04:11 PM

your opinion ain't what it used to be hot shot. I can show you black numbers for the last 2 years with expressbet, which is more than you can say.

freddymo 11-16-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902437)
your opinion ain't what it used to be hot shot. I can show you black numbers for the last 2 years with expressbet, which is more than you can say.

Can you take some of the earn and go pay the barber to fix your head

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 902331)
He's too stupid to realize I am just doing my job, and giving extra picks to facilitate things for people in the TV truck in the case of scratches, as those picks are sent in at least two days in advance. Of course, I don't even give myself credit when I pick winners, much less EVER pat myself on the back for 2nd through 4th choices that might win. I am doing what is required for my job. Personally, I wouldn't give out choices at all, as the actual point is to stimulate discussion of the races, but the customers want picks, 1-4 for superfecta races, and the customer's needs come first.



at least 2 days in advance ? who's the stupid one. You mean to tell me that you can't email your picks or post them yourself on your own website ? They must be real geniuses in the truck. who's kidding whom? Byk has no problem doing twice as much. Just a bullshit excuse. look at all your posts. you have nothing good to say about anyone or anything. It's just sarcasm and venom. A guy said having a cup of coffee and listening to ATR was as good as it gets. Of course you had your snide little comment. Funny thats what we used to say watching you in the morning at saratoga every year, and it was true (except when you blabbeed double digit hooses we like to the masses. He has a big priced winner and you had your snide comment. it's a pattern. I wonder what it feels like to have so many people hate you. And I'm not even one of them. It's much cooler to be universally loved like myself, by my many friends and followers.

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 902442)
Can you take some of the earn and go pay the barber to fix your head


donating it to locks of love tomorrow. satisfied ? (the hair, not the money)

freddymo 11-16-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902444)
at least 2 days in advance ? who's the stupid one. You mean to tell me that you can't email your picks or post them yourself on your own website ? They must be real geniuses in the truck. who's kidding whom? Byk has no problem doing twice as much. Just a bullshit excuse. look at all your posts. you have nothing good to say about anyone or anything. It's just sarcasm and venom. A guy said having a cup of coffee and listening to ATR was as good as it gets. Of course you had your snide little comment. Funny thats what we used to say watching you in the morning at saratoga every year, and it was true (except when you blabbeed double digit hooses we like to the masses. He has a big priced winner and you had your snide comment. it's a pattern. I wonder what it feels like to have so many people hate you. And I'm not even one of them. It's much cooler to be universally loved like myself, by my many friends and followers.

Nobody works harder the Serling and nobody has a better opinion. The reason I know this is before he became the single most important public handicapper in America he used to do it for his friends for FREE. He worked just as hard and never took a red cent for hours and hours of study. If you know Serling the way Byk Dahoss and many others in the sport do you would realize how incredibly stupid your post is. For years and years now Serling has worked tirelessly to promote gambling on racing thru educating people and developing real fans of the sport. He has taught thousands and thousands and its at a point now that he has no time to do anything but work when he is at work. I wish I could show you the money this man has helped so many earn with simply giving of himself selflessly. Dude you are so far off its incredible.

This isnt about who is better Steve or Andy Frankly I doubt Steve believes his knowledge of pure handicapping approaches Serlings nor does it remotely matter as they have mutual respect for each others talents but for you to come on here and suggest that Serling is anything but a huge positive to the sport is simply ridiculous.

You won 462.68 in 2 years and you think you are something special please

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 04:58 PM

why is he so mean spirited then ? any reason for the venom ?

didn't compare them as cappers, they're both outstanding, but if Steve can do a show and still get his stuff up on DTpre and post scratches, why would LAS have to get his stuff in 2 days in advance? oh yeah move that decimal point to the right a little

freddymo 11-16-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902455)
why is he so mean spirited then ? any reason for the venom ?

didn't compare them as cappers, they're both outstanding, but if Steve can do a show and still get his stuff up on DTpre and post scratches, why would LAS have to get his stuff in 2 days in advance? oh yeah move that decimal point to the right a little

If you like Steve Byk and respect him realize he would have someone on his show that wasnt solid. Use your head not everybody in this world is soft spoken and sweet 24 7.. Whats wrong with a little edge..

South Beach Luv 11-16-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902455)
why is he so mean spirited then ? any reason for the venom ?

He was real mean spirited when my wife asked on another forum about visiting Belmont on a dark day. Andy saw the thread, PM'ed her about it and not only set up a tour but got us a special escort to see Ruffian's grave.

Then at Saratoga gave us paddock passes and offered to get us seats.

MaTH716 11-16-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 902450)
Nobody works harder the Serling and nobody has a better opinion. The reason I know this is before he became the single most important public handicapper in America he used to do it for his friends for FREE. He worked just as hard and never took a red cent for hours and hours of study. If you know Serling the way Byk Dahoss and many others in the sport do you would realize how incredibly stupid your post is. For years and years now Serling has worked tirelessly to promote gambling on racing thru educating people and developing real fans of the sport. He has taught thousands and thousands and its at a point now that he has no time to do anything but work when he is at work. I wish I could show you the money this man has helped so many earn with simply giving of himself selflessly. Dude you are so far off its incredible.

This isnt about who is better Steve or Andy Frankly I doubt Steve believes his knowledge of pure handicapping approaches Serlings nor does it remotely matter as they have mutual respect for each others talents but for you to come on here and suggest that Serling is anything but a huge positive to the sport is simply ridiculous.

You won 462.68 in 2 years and you think you are something special please

Great post Freddy, he just has no idea. :tro::tro:

my miss storm cat 11-16-2012 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 902446)
donating it to locks of love tomorrow. satisfied ? (the hair, not the money)

You do know that to donate hair it has to be at least 10 inches long, right?

Alabama Stakes 11-16-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 902467)
You do know that to donate hair it has to be at least 10 inches long, right?


you have seen the braids right ? 10 inches of hair I got, other than that, not even close. :o. Still got the girl though :{>::D

my miss storm cat 11-16-2012 08:05 PM

Yes I've notice the avatar. I'm pretty sure most of us have.

When they say ten inches what they mean is you take your hair and make a pony tail and that part has to be ten inches which is rather long.


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