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Aly-Sheba 11-01-2012 10:48 PM

What is going to be the Sunday headline for the BC
 
I think Steve Byk should have Contest for who predicts the best headline for the BC before the races are run and he could let winner guest host one day on his show for a day!! What do you say Steve?!!

Here is my headline:

"Richard's Kid comes from nowhere, to Rule the Day!!!"

Rob from the Az

Indian Charlie 11-02-2012 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba (Post 899811)
I think Steve Byk should have Contest for who predicts the best headline for the BC before the races are run and he could let winner guest host one day on his show for a day!! What do you say Steve?!!

Here is my headline:

"Richard's Kid comes from nowhere, to Rule the Day!!!"

Rob from the Az

If you get that right, I agree, Byk should have you host.

Aly-Sheba 11-02-2012 12:25 AM

Yea I took a little bit of a shot. I didn't want to use an obvious one like "Baffert dominates the Cup!!"

King Glorious 11-02-2012 10:21 AM

"Game Over Dudes. Baffert star locks up Horse of the Year title with dominating win in Classic."

atolunch 11-02-2012 10:30 AM

Rosario Flat Out dominates Breeders Cup Day!

Calzone Lord 11-02-2012 10:38 AM

It's not going to be the headline obviously ... but I was startled by the fact that I had a very hard time tossing out a DWL horse in a couple spots.

He had that brutal triple digit run of consecutive losers in graded stakes run going earlier in the year.

Hamazing Destiny looks really competitive in the Sprint on CJ's numbers -- I had to really obsess over the fact that he's trained by Lukas and in off a layoff to not like him.

I don't even remember the last Lukas horse I gave a serious look to in the BC. Probably Orientate was the last one.

Sightseek 11-02-2012 11:45 AM

Mott Dominates the Classics -- Again!

dagolfer33 11-02-2012 01:37 PM

Smith spoils for the second year in a row, Game on Dude beat by a Nose.

FATPIANO 11-03-2012 08:43 AM

Mucho Macho Man...........Much The Best Today

rpncaine 11-03-2012 09:51 AM

It's Bill Mott's world...we're just training in it.

King Glorious 11-03-2012 06:45 PM

Not to take away from Wise Dan but what I came away from that race thinking was "what might have been?" had Animal Kingdom not been injured so much of the time. I've always underestimated his talent but it's clear that he's a very, very good horse.

Indian Charlie 11-03-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 900356)
Not to take away from Wise Dan but what I came away from that race thinking was "what might have been?" had Animal Kingdom not been injured so much of the time. I've always underestimated his talent but it's clear that he's a very, very good horse.

Agreed. B.I. should be allowed to take a baseball bat to that jockey in the Belmont that got AK hurt.

cmorioles 11-03-2012 08:30 PM

Rock Hard Ten guides Trinniberg and Little Mike to victory.

GPK 11-03-2012 08:45 PM

Associated Press reports that Brian Hernandez, Jr. "rides mostly in racing's minor leagues at Ellis Park and Kentucky Downs."

29 racing days at Ellis and 5 at Kentucky Downs. Must sit on his ass the other 11 months.:rolleyes:

blackthroatedwind 11-03-2012 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 900416)
Rock Hard Ten guides Trinniberg and Little Mike to victory.

I need to take him off ignore ( and read more here ). If I knew he knocked Trinniberg, I would have tripled my bet.

Hmmmm, $1000 vs having to read his posts....

....nah, I made the right choice.

dalakhani 11-03-2012 08:50 PM

"larned the hard way"

Great performance by the winner. Is it just me or did Baffert look like he could have killed bejerano?

Bogey 11-03-2012 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 900418)
I need to take him off ignore ( and read more here ). If I knew he knocked Trinniberg, I would have tripled my bet.

Hmmmm, $1000 vs having to read his posts....

....nah, I made the right choice.

Yeah, you made the right choice.

Indian Charlie 11-03-2012 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 900418)
I need to take him off ignore ( and read more here ). If I knew he knocked Trinniberg, I would have tripled my bet.

Hmmmm, $1000 vs having to read his posts....

....nah, I made the right choice.

for 2 weeks a year.................

cal828 11-04-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 900420)
"larned the hard way"

Great performance by the winner. Is it just me or did Baffert look like he could have killed bejerano?

Good one. In retrospect, "Baffert blanked/Euros tanked" might have been a good one, but who would have believed it. Obviously, in the Breeders Cup you have to expect the unexpected. On second thought, Maybe that applies to all of horse racing. And yes Baffert did look like he wanted to kill Bejarano and he said something about telling him not to let other horses get the jump on him out of the gate, in a post race interview.

Indian Charlie 11-04-2012 09:58 AM

Game Over Dude.

citycat 11-04-2012 11:54 AM

Bejarano found on the take....

Coup Verville 11-04-2012 05:19 PM

I'm pretty sure in big letters it will say "New Zenyatta Doc on HRTV." And then somewhere at the very bottom of that article, mention that Fort Larned won this year's Classic.

alysheba4 11-05-2012 07:23 AM

east coast DOMINATION.

Coach Pants 11-05-2012 07:43 AM

The best is yet to come: Fort Larned retired

geeker2 11-05-2012 07:59 AM

Frankel - Good not Great.

GPK 11-05-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 900592)
Frankel - Good not Great.

Goodest Of All Time?

Calzone Lord 11-05-2012 12:54 PM

Frankel is great -- he beat St. Nicholas Abby and Excalibration (over and over) with absolute devastating ease... the fact that those two finished 3rd and 4th in the BC doesn't take anything away from his claim to greatness.

Maybe it highlights that it wasn't a good year for the quality of Euro's outside of him ... but he buried them all and it's not as easy to bury horses on turf as it is on dirt.

I wasn't that impressed with the Euro's who came here when I evaluated them. George Vancouver and St Nicholas Abby were the only two Euro's I picked on top in the BC this year.

blackthroatedwind 11-05-2012 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 900592)
Frankel - Good not Great.

Wrong.

geeker2 11-05-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 900614)
Wrong.

Tongue in cheek ;)

King Glorious 11-06-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 900606)
Frankel is great -- he beat St. Nicholas Abby and Excalibration (over and over) with absolute devastating ease... the fact that those two finished 3rd and 4th in the BC doesn't take anything away from his claim to greatness.

Maybe it highlights that it wasn't a good year for the quality of Euro's outside of him ... but he buried them all and it's not as easy to bury horses on turf as it is on dirt.

I wasn't that impressed with the Euro's who came here when I evaluated them. George Vancouver and St Nicholas Abby were the only two Euro's I picked on top in the BC this year.

I'm sure you know this but the history of QE II winners coming over here for the BC Mile is abysmal. None have ever won both races while several that lost in England have come over to win here, including Miesque, Barathea, and Ridgewood Pearl. The ones that won in England and came here and lost have burned a lot of money. Remember Zilzal, Warning, Markofdistinction, Mark of Esteem, Desert Prince? More recently, several runners from that race have come over and done well in the Classic. Giant's Causeway, Raven's Pass, and Henrythenavigator come to mind. Even Falbrav ran well in the Turf. Interestingly, the same kind of history can be seen between the Arc and the BC Turf. No horse has won both but several Arc also rans have won the Turf.

My belief is that because the QE II and the Arc are basically the end of season championships over in Europe, horses are trained to be at their very best for those races and asking them to keep their form and come over here to face American horses that are primed to give their best performances in the BC is very tough. How many times to we see the horses that win BC races come back in races like the Cigar or the Clark or any other late season race? When we do see them come back, we often see them lose.

Another thing to think about is something I heard a long time ago from a very prominent American trainer. He said that because of the course layouts for some of those European tracks, the races are more tests of stamina than they are for speed like here in the states and because of that, when horses come over from Europe, their best American distance is at least a furlong further and often more than that. This seems to be especially true when you look at horses that run well at Ascot.


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