McKee Blew it!
 

This horse will be much better off with a diffrent jock. I watched this horse in the derby and he did the same thing. He runs off up the backside and McKee and he cant get him to relax. He gave him too many commands in a short amount of time. he finally gets the horse to slow down and then the race is just starting so he got to start askin him right after he was chokin him. I bet the horse is confused:confused:

No chit ... thought my mom was driving LR for a moment there. Don't like riding with her and I'm guessing the ride with McKee is just as scary.

I don't think it matters who rides him , just wants to be in front and run. We saw the same thing at Arkansas Derby when he pushed his way to the front.
Point Determand is a cut below and I hope we don't have to hear about him betting real good horse again.

As soon as I saw the hammer lock on LR, I said hes screwed. WTF was McKee doing? That horse should have won today...

Let him run, if he wants to, pinhead! Put 10 lengths on the field and make them come and get you. Won't use up more energy than that wrestling match did. How much was he beaten, a length? Should have had more than that in hand.

Holthus is an old-school guy, you know, loyal to his folks. But there has to be a limit, like when bone-head plays cost the owner a big purse.

The best horse won. LR can't rate and SC can. The jockey wins 90% of the time with the horse but when he loses it is his fault. Ever think the Derby horses and SC are faster. LR has never been that fast.

Point Determined
 

PD is sad. How has this horse dropped so far so fast.

As for McKee ride is was McAweful, although I has SC. Lost several lengths in a toppsy turvy ride.

Maybe he beats bad horses if he just runs out there, but he could never beat a quality horse doing that. He either learns to rate or will always be the overhyped horse he is now.

Blame the trainer. The horse wont rate. The only jockey that I would use on Lawyer Ron is P Val. He would sit on him like a sack of potato and hang on.

You obviously didn't watch the Rebel S or the St. Louis Derby. Ron rated quite nicely in those races. Even was off the pace until the far turn in the Arkansas Derby. He wouldn't rate today for some reason and his jock tried to MAKE him; always a mistake.

He never was very good. He started his career as a 100k claimer and won against poor west coast compition.

Yea but then you would lose all aerodynamics

I agree with you that LR has alot of talent ,but we saw this trend start a Keenland. He wont rate.

I was serious about P val riding LR. You never see him fight a horse to place him, he's real good at not wasting your horse.

Exactly. I had Ron keyed on top in the super with SC, the horse that showed, Costa and PD. Bah!

LR actually rated fine in his last race. He came from 7 lengths back that day. I don't know why he was so rank today. I saw the same thing happen to him in another race. I think it was in the Arkansas Derby where McKee slightly asked him going into the first turn just to try to get a slightly better position, and the horse totally took off and dragged him all the way up to the lead.

I guess with this horse you can't ask him until you really want him to run because once you slightly step on the gas, he wants to run off.

If he would have relaxed today, he would have had a good chance to win the race. He just went a little bit too fast. That's not to take anything away from Strong Contender. He ran a good race too.

I am not a fan of PD at all. I never liked him. He never ran in a $100 claimer though.

Sounds like we're talking about Funny Cide and Santos, lol. Just substitute the 2 for LR and McKee.

Strong Contender is a distance runner, beautifully bred to be so. I think he is improving at the right time and could factor in the BC Classic if he's nominated.

I didn't see his last race. Was he out side of horse with nothing in his face?

He's just not fast enough
 

I like LR, but I don't think he is fast enough to compete at the top level. How about turf>

If i remember correctly, in the ARK. Derby, he was off the pace until midway round the CLUBHOUSE turn, and took command at the 6 furlong, and tugged McKee with him. Basically was a carbon copy of the ARk derby today, just didnt win.

I only saw the race once so I can't remember exactly. I think he may have taken a little dirt early on and then swung out on the far turn. I can't remeber if he cricled the field or came between horses. He was way back early. The Form shows he was 5th, 8 lengths back at the first call. At the 2nd call he was 5th, 6 1/2 lengths behind. He was 2nd, a length back at the 3rd call.

It's something to keep in mind. I think the 12F will be no problem, he is improving. I don't know what his limitations are yet.

sorry, i meant 10 f. today was 9f. :D

i guess point determined didn't like cajun cookin'

I love Lawyer Ron. He is a nice, gutsy horse that you can't help but root for. I agree with DaHoss in that I think Lawyer Ron is a very nice Grade II horse, but doesn't belong at the top. Neither one of the top two horses were slow today as the final time of the race was very nice, and Lawyer Ron ran under 47 seconds for the opening half mile. He was also expending a lot of energy, and was very rank. After watching the race, I think that LR might could have held off SC for the win had LR been able to settle. It would have been close though. I really don't think that LR is a mile and a quarter horse. I also don't think that is would be wise to send LR to the BCC this year. He would definitely be overmatched in that race.

SC is definitely improving. I think that Ward should definitely take the gamble and send this horse to the BC Classic. I loved the way be accelerated and galloped down the stretch today. Beautiful moving horse. It looks as if a mile and a quarter isn't going to be a problem for him...

just showered and was thinking in the shower that holthus needs to get a new rider for this guy. it's a shame. had he not fought with him, taking some of his energy, he might have had enough left at the end. no quitter in that one for sure. but that ride....yikes.

exactly!!! argh....not saying that strong contender wouldn't have caught him anyway, but damn.

lol overhyped??? horse is well inside the top ten in earnings for the year. he's a mule alright.

Lava Man last year Pacific Classic!

With all due respect, PD only had a step to fall down, he was never that good, my opinion

I know he was entered in a maiden 100k claimer, he may of scratched out of the race, but I am pretty sure he ran. It was his first race at Santa Anita. Oh well it really doesn't matter.

you're right , nobodys perfect.

I know i am just being a hard a s s he does move horses up more than most jocks.:D

Of all the things to be thinking about while in the shower you're thinking about Bob Holthus???

:D :D

lol

not bob holthus...hell, no telling what will cross your mind in a free moment....my brain runs constantly, it's annoying at times, like when i'm trying to sleep and i can't shut down. i can't just sit. if i'm in a car, but not driving, i have to have something to read, or write, or do. in the shower i think...it's freaky.

I don't think it was all McKee's fault, this is the second time that LR has run off like that, I don't know why he does it sometimes and sometimes not, he's kind of a strange horse. I think Rupert has the right idea any time you ask the horse he's go go go and no tractibility. He should have won that race yesterday, but he went too fast too early and maybe he's a little distance challenged to go that fast that early and win at a distance. Take nothing away from Strong Contender, he's a nice horse and he did what he should to win...I think both LR and SC ran very good races yesterday, there was a ton of lengths back to the other horses...When I saw that SC had that big Beyer, I thought that was inflated, but the Sheets gave him a -3 for that race, that's Bernardini-like. I am really curious to see what the #'s will be coming out of this race, because I think they will be respectable for both of them. Point Determined is not as good of a horse as LR or SC, but he's not that bad, he had to get hurt...I see no reason why both should not go on to the BC and they'll have plenty of time between races, I give both of them a big chance to run 2-3 in the BC...

Congrats Gander, I know you said you were loading up on SC, I made my first bet since the opening week of the Spa, keyed LR in a super, it was a small bet on my part, so no big loss. You said you were going big and when I saw SC getting to LR, I actually started cheering him on...

And to whoever said that LR should try turf, you might want to open up a Racing Form and look at his pp's....