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Kasept 08-15-2012 03:31 PM

8/18 (AP): Million, Bev D., Secretariat (G1's), St. Leger, Hatoof (2)
 
5th (2:15) Hatoof S.

About 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Direct Breeze Contreras A L 116 L
2 Ann of the Dance Sanchez D 116 L
3 Zapper Belle Hill C 116 L
4 Soft Whisper Albarado R J 118 L
5 La Tia Roman C 121 L
6 Awesome Gisel Martinez S B 116 L
7 Julia's Star Leparoux J R 116 L
8 Clear Danger Court J K 116 L
9 Nayarra (IRE) Dominguez R A 116 FTL
10 Banded Thornton T 116 L



7th (3:14) American St. Leger S.

1 11/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Vertiformer Leparoux J R 119 L
2 Helicopter Meier B 119 L
3 Lemonade Kid Torres F C 119 L
4 Lumberyard Jack Gutierrez Mario 121 L
5 Lake Drop Dominguez R A 121
6 Suntracer Perez E E 121 L
7 Game Ball Espinoza J L 119 L
8 Jakkalberry (IRE) O'Donoghue C 119
9 Lethal Felix J E 119 L
10 Zuider Zee (GER) Buick W 119 FTL
11 Ioya Bigtime Sanchez J 123 L
12 Bridge of Gold Fallon K 119 FTL



8th (3:48) Secretariat S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Handsome Mike Gutierrez Mario 119 L
2 Summer Front Dominguez R A 123 L
3 Cozzetti Bridgmohan S X 123 L
4 Finnegans Wake Lezcano J 119 L
5 All Stormy Homeister R B Jr 119 L
6 Daddy Long Legs O'Donoghue C 123 L
7 Bayrir (FR) Lemaire C P 121
8 Silver Max Albarado R J 126 L



9th (4:23) Hatoof S.

About 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $65,000

1 Imposing Grace Geroux F 116 L
2 Leading Astray Perez E E 118 L
3 Lady Candidate Mena M 118 L
4 Toxis Bridgmohan S X 118 L
5 Starship Duchess Thornton T 116 L
6 Lady Micaela Martinez S B 116 L
7 Silver Hustler Leparoux J R 116 L
8 Freedom Reigns (IRE) Graham J 116 L
9 Drama Drama Court J K 116 L
10 Soonerette Dominguez R A 118 L



10th (5:02) Beverly D. S. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Kapitale (GER) Demuro M 123 FTL
2 I'm A Dreamer (IRE) Turner H 123 L
3 Romacaca Torres F C 123 L
4 Upperline Graham J 123 L
5 Mystical Star Lezcano J 123 L
6 Up (IRE) O'Donoghue C 117 L
7 Aruna Dominguez R A 123 L
8 Marketing Mix Leparoux J R 123 L
9 Stars to Shine Solis A 123 L
10 Joviality (GB) Buick W 123 FTL



11th (5:44) Arlington Million S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Rahystrada Leparoux J R 126 L
2 Boisterous Lezcano J 126 L
3 Afsare (GB) Fallon K 126 FTL
4 Little Mike Dominguez R A 126 L
5 Colombian (IRE) Buick W 126 FTL
6 Treasure Beach (GB) Spencer J P 126 L
7 Willcox Inn Graham J 126 L
8 Wigmore Hall (IRE) Turner H 126 L
9 Crackerjack King (IRE) O'Donoghue C 126 FTL
10 Cherokee Lord Torres F C 126 L
11 Vertiformer Sanchez J 126 L

Sightseek 08-15-2012 07:05 PM

A thread not about politics!! :tro:

What an excellent day of racing.

OldDog 08-16-2012 07:38 AM

...and, for those of us lost souls who live in dark states, WGN is going to carry some of it.

10 pnt move up 08-16-2012 09:34 AM

Where did this "American St Leger" Stakes come from at 2 miles for 400k?

South Beach Luv 08-16-2012 09:51 AM

My username in all her glory finishing 2nd in the 1st division of the Hatoof Stakes in 2009 at 12/1 :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BegCFMYldk0

no audio :(

miraja2 08-16-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 883530)
10th (5:02) Beverly D. S. (G1)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Kapitale (GER) Demuro M 123 FTL
2 I'm A Dreamer (IRE) Turner H 123 L
3 Romacaca Torres F C 123 L
4 Upperline Graham J 123 L
5 Mystical Star Lezcano J 123 L
6 Up (IRE) O'Donoghue C 117 L
7 Aruna Dominguez R A 123 L
8 Marketing Mix Leparoux J R 123 L
9 Stars to Shine Solis A 123 L
10 Joviality (GB) Buick W 123 FTL

I'm just not that impressed with the probable favorites here, and I honestly don't see why Romacaca can't run the same race she ran in the Modesty and win this at a price.

GBBob 08-16-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 883845)
I'm just not that impressed with the probable favorites here, and I honestly don't see why Romacaca can't run the same race she ran in the Modesty and win this at a price.

What was she last time....4-1?? I hope to get that again, but it's Calabrese so who knows

PatCummings 08-16-2012 01:59 PM

For the Bev D - I'm a Dreamer seems best of the Euros (her third in the Brigadier Gerard the best overall Euro race in the field, and she defeated Up), and Kapitale has to be used, especially with Demuro coming in for the ride, and Joviality won't get soft ground. Marketing Mix just isn't top-top-shelf it would seem, so the rest of the Americans seem relatively balanced. Has the look of a spread race.

miraja2 08-16-2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 883849)
What was she last time....4-1?? I hope to get that again, but it's Calabrese so who knows

She's 15/1 ML but yeah, I don't think there is any way a Calabrese horse, coming off a win in the Modesty, with a very good record at AP, who appears to be working just like she did before her last win goes off at that price against these horses.
Obviously Mystical Star, Marketing Mix and the Euros will take a lot of money, but I don't see them as being a lot more likely to win.

But then again it seems like every year I convince myself that some particular horse who ran well on Preview Day is going to win on Million Day....and it never works out.

Fulla Sheets 08-16-2012 08:12 PM

Isn't there some crazy stat about the winners of the Modesty not winning the Beverly D. the same year?

Fulla Sheets 08-16-2012 08:46 PM

I just looked it up. No Modesty winner has ever won the Beverly D. in the same year, but only 11 have tried. Of the 21 years when both races were run, only 4 Beverly D. winners ran in the Modesty.

PatCummings 08-16-2012 08:53 PM

Tentatively...

Jakkalberry w Bayrir/SilverMax w ALL w ALL w Crackerjack King

Then backup plays focusing on Kapitale/Joviality/I'mADreamer in the 4th leg

Fulla Sheets 08-16-2012 09:33 PM

While I'm at it, Arlington Handicap winners are 0 for 16 in the Arlington Million of the same year. Of the 29 years when both races were run, 0 Million winners ran in the Arlington Handicap. But 10 were Europeans and didn't prep in the US.

dpkovalesky 08-16-2012 10:20 PM

Am I crazy for thinking Upperline is going to run huge and have a shot in the Beverly D? I know stidham said before the modesty was a prep going in, or is she just a cut below these?

hockey2315 08-17-2012 08:16 AM

I probably complain about this too much, but how idiotic is the positioning of these races? Rather than put the Secretariat in the pk4, we get a $7500 claimer to close out the sequence. Nothing like going from a $1 million race to a $12,000 race.

PatCummings 08-17-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 884044)
I probably complain about this too much, but how idiotic is the positioning of these races? Rather than put the Secretariat in the pk4, we get a $7500 claimer to close out the sequence. Nothing like going from a $1 million race to a $12,000 race.

You do have a $100k guar p5 with 15% takeout from R7 to 11

my miss storm cat 08-17-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 883530)

11th (5:44) Arlington Million S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Rahystrada Leparoux J R 126 L
2 Boisterous Lezcano J 126 L
3 Afsare (GB) Fallon K 126 FTL
4 Little Mike Dominguez R A 126 L
5 Colombian (IRE) Buick W 126 FTL
6 Treasure Beach (GB) Spencer J P 126 L
7 Willcox Inn Graham J 126 L
8 Wigmore Hall (IRE) Turner H 126 L
9 Crackerjack King (IRE) O'Donoghue C 126 FTL
10 Cherokee Lord Torres F C 126 L
11 Vertiformer Sanchez J 126 L

I'm stuck between Wigmore Hall and Little MIke on top.

Rahystrada is my favorite horse here, of course, and I will do a win bet on him just because I'm a sentimental moron but basically those two on top with Wilcox Inn and Boisterous underneath and i guess the old man can be at the bottom of my tri and super.

I am not seeing any monsters here and the Euros look pretty weak to me anyway.

hockey2315 08-17-2012 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 884074)
You do have a $100k guar p5 with 15% takeout from R7 to 11

True. . . I'd just rather have both options. And I'd rather have the three main races in a row for a pk3.

Scav 08-17-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 884119)
True. . . I'd just rather have both options. And I'd rather have the three main races in a row for a pk3.

Its because of the Hi5. They were hoping for a huge carryover but the DQ in yesterdays race caused it to be hit. There should be a nice p6 and p9 carryover tomorrow though. Card looks tough today

Danzig 08-17-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 883774)
Where did this "American St Leger" Stakes come from at 2 miles for 400k?

it's the inaugural running. 1 11/16 over the turf.

Arletta 08-17-2012 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 884102)
I'm stuck between Wigmore Hall and Little MIke on top.

Rahystrada is my favorite horse here, of course, and I will do a win bet on him just because I'm a sentimental moron but basically those two on top with Wilcox Inn and Boisterous underneath and i guess the old man can be at the bottom of my tri and super.

I am not seeing any monsters here and the Euros look pretty weak to me anyway.

I feel the same, and it's Boisterious for me.

JJP 08-17-2012 03:30 PM

If Boisterous is the best the US has, we are even worse than I thought. Euros will dominate exacta and probably the tri as well.

jms62 08-18-2012 06:15 AM

Anyone willing to give an EDUCATED speculation on Turf conditions for today?

jwkniska 08-18-2012 07:17 AM

I look for the turf to be GOOD. It'll be dry, but cooler, as it's only in the 50's here now and high in the mid 70's.

South Beach Luv 08-18-2012 08:10 AM

Some input from Alastair Donald.

Quote:

Q. You obviously know the invading horses coming in for Million Day. Any horses people should watch for?

A. I think the Million this year is quite a wide-open race. I don't think there's a European superstar. I think they can all run well, but they're all beatable. In the Secretariat, I think Daddy Long Logs — forget his run in the Kentucky Derby; I think he's a turf horse — I think back here on turf he could run a very formidable race. And I think the French horse (Bayrir) is very solid. I think they could run 1-2 in the Secretariat.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...rts/708159948/

(you will have to answer 2 quick questions to read it :rolleyes: )

robfla 08-18-2012 09:32 AM

Quote:

In the Secretariat, I think Daddy Long Logs — forget his run in the Kentucky Derby; I think he's a turf horse — I think back here on turf he could run a very formidable race. And I think the French horse (Bayrir) is very solid. I think they could run 1-2 in the Secretariat.
I laughed! Bran diet?

Merlinsky 08-18-2012 05:32 PM

Heads up to anybody with WGN. It's airing the Arlington Million. It never occurred to me to check so I missed the first 30 minutes of coverage (and I assume the Beverly D).

cakes44 08-18-2012 05:56 PM

Jesus.

Ocala Mike 08-18-2012 06:07 PM

I Didn't Have Enough On Him
 
Horseplayer's lament. The leading rider at Saratoga goes to Chicago to ride the ONLY SPEED in a 1-1/4 mile turf merry-go-round to pay 7/2. Probably the bet of the year, but at least he got me out for the day.

Great for the Florida breeding program (what's left of it), too.

GPK 08-18-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 884506)
Jesus.

Like Espinoza and The Tin Man all over again.

golfer 08-18-2012 06:30 PM

I'm sorry, but that was PATHETIC. Little more than a glorified workout for Little Mike?? I realize it was foreseeable he was lone speed, but come on? Inexcusable.

helicopter11 08-18-2012 06:52 PM

How much did you have on him?

my miss storm cat 08-18-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 884102)
I'm stuck between Wigmore Hall and Little MIke on top.

Rahystrada is my favorite horse here, of course, and I will do a win bet on him just because I'm a sentimental moron but basically those two on top with Wilcox Inn and Boisterous underneath and i guess the old man can be at the bottom of my tri and super.

I am not seeing any monsters here and the Euros look pretty weak to me anyway.

Even with Little Mike on top and my boy in the 3rd spot I found a way to screw it all up (shoot me) BUT I'm very happy for Rahystrada's connections.

He's such a nice horse. Glad to see him do well. :tro:

Dahoss 08-18-2012 10:55 PM

I haven't seen him ride a lot, because I just don't follow European racing all that close....but that was a flawless ride Christophe Lemaire gave Bayrir in the Secretariat.

Even though he missed the break, he was able to get him to the rail, relaxed before they hit the turn. He gradually moved up while covered up and while Colm O'donoghue was doing his Jaime Spencer impression, Lemaire sat and watched it all go down. Then he had a decision to make. Summer Front was beginning to move and instead of follow Handsome Mike with him and go 5 or 6 wide, he took him back just a tiny bit so he could instead move inside. This enabled him to avoid going out in the parking lot and effectively kept Finnegan's Wake pinned in as he was hitting his best stride.

Quite refreshing to see someone actually make adjustments in a race and not panic.

PatCummings 08-19-2012 07:55 AM

I completely botched the Million and thought two things pre-race - A - Rahystrada would have to pace-press given how he won the local prep, and B - ONE of the hopeless longshots was going to go forward in Hero of Order-esque fashion to inspire a Dale-Romans-turns-Dr-Hansen moment. Not really, but you get it...

B never happened, and nine jocks watched Dominguez toy with them.

A...well, does Julien Leparoux EVER EVER go to the lead in a turf race. I should've figured Rosario off and JuLep on was the kiss of death for anyone making Little Mike work.

Ruined the day.

10 pnt move up 08-19-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 884616)
I completely botched the Million and thought two things pre-race - A - Rahystrada would have to pace-press given how he won the local prep, and B - ONE of the hopeless longshots was going to go forward in Hero of Order-esque fashion to inspire a Dale-Romans-turns-Dr-Hansen moment. Not really, but you get it...

B never happened, and nine jocks watched Dominguez toy with them.

A...well, does Julien Leparoux EVER EVER go to the lead in a turf race. I should've figured Rosario off and JuLep on was the kiss of death for anyone making Little Mike work.

Ruined the day.

I would argue it wasn't anything Dominguez did but a bunch of jocks reading a racing form and getting a little too cute. They all let that horse walk because they had no fear of him going 10f.

You give me any horse allowed to set uncontested fractions and they easily can go 10f, or distances normally beyond their scope. I hear stuff like "well that does not matter on turf", which I disagree with as well.

That being said playing that angle at 3/1 (which he was most of the post) is beyond a bad bet.

People made a bad bet on this horse at those odds but got rewarded with a little bit of luck.

cmorioles 08-19-2012 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 884650)
...a bunch of jocks reading a racing form and getting a little too cute. .

You are giving them too much credit.

10 pnt move up 08-19-2012 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 884653)
You are giving them too much credit.

I think most read the form or have someone who looks at the races for them. Its not like they are doing what we do but they look at the races they are in.

Dahoss 08-19-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 884658)
I think most read the form or have someone who looks at the races for them. Its not like they are doing what we do but they look at the races they are in.

Most? They certainly don't ride like they can or do read a form.

10 pnt move up 08-19-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 884665)
Most? They certainly don't ride like they can or do read a form.

Maybe its just tougher to do than it appears, if most of them cant do it? Kinda like hitting a golf ball, does not seem like its that hard, expect most cant do it very well.


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