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dellinger63 08-11-2012 07:19 AM

And the Nominee is:
 
Paul Ryan WI. :tro::tro::tro:

Very conservative on econmomic issues and middle of the road on social ones. A man elected to the House of Rep at age 29 from Janesville ( a democratic leaning, blue collar, mixed race district)

Great nominee and fantastic for whoever wins the Republican senate primary this Tues.

lord007 08-11-2012 09:09 AM

Now watch them squirm...:$:::p;):D

geeker2 08-11-2012 09:09 AM

Strong pick!

That should be some debate between Ryan and Biden :)

The race now begins.

Rileyoriley 08-11-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 882482)
Paul Ryan WI. :tro::tro::tro:

Very conservative on econmomic issues and middle of the road on social ones. A man elected to the House of Rep at age 29 from Janesville ( a democratic leaning, blue collar, mixed race district)

Great nominee and fantastic for whoever wins the Republican senate primary this Tues.

:) Very happy with his pick!

dellinger63 08-11-2012 09:37 AM

Just looked up his financial disclosure forms (required by all house and senate members) and using the UNICEF model demonstrating the U.S. is second among the industrialized nations (Latvia beat us) for defining poor children we find out Mr. Ryan is actually poor among house members as his net worth is less than half the median among house members. Compared to Senate members he'd be homeless and starving. Geez his poor kids ;)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDs...4357&year=2010


My lord take a look at Nancy Pelosi. She's caked. Why doesn't she give some cash to poor Ryan.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDs...7360&year=2010

GBBob 08-11-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 882482)
Paul Ryan WI. :tro::tro::tro:

Very conservative on econmomic issues and middle of the road on social ones. A man elected to the House of Rep at age 29 from Janesville ( a democratic leaning, blue collar, mixed race district)

Great nominee and fantastic for whoever wins the Republican senate primary this Tues.

A Catholic who opposes gay rights and abortion..yep..that's middle of the road, Republican style

oh yeah...and he's a hunter so I'm sure a card carrying member of the NRA

dellinger63 08-11-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 882514)
A Catholic who opposes gay rights and abortion..yep..that's middle of the road, Republican style

A Catholic who is true to his faith.

Since Danzig proved 9/10 Americans don't really believe in God (secretly) his faith should be the weak spot to hit him on.

Obama should just come out and admit he secretly doesn't believe in God and religion is all bullshiat. ;)

Thepaindispenser 08-11-2012 10:59 AM

I am shocked that Riot hasn't started her character assassination on Ryan yet.

Just like I predicted, the VP choice would be a lot more intelligent than Biden, although anyone who he choose would have been a lot smarter than that idiot Biden. Do you think Biden will have guts to debate Ryan? I hope so, Ryan will destroy that moron.

DaTruth 08-11-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 882501)
Strong pick!

That should be some debate between Ryan and Biden :)

Lyin' Joe Biden will make things up as he goes along.

Riot 08-11-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 882514)
A Catholic who opposes gay rights and abortion..yep..that's middle of the road, Republican style

oh yeah...and he's a hunter so I'm sure a card carrying member of the NRA

Catholic "Nuns on the Bus", and the Catholic Bishops, have made public statement after public statement, and have said negative things about Paul Ryan for over a year, due to the Ryan Budget's terrible treatment of the poor. No, Ryan is not "true to his faith" at all, Dell. He throws Jesus' teachings under the bus, actually.

Today the Romney camp already released a statement trying to separate Mitt from the Ryan Budget (yes, I"m dead serious)

No, Ryan isn't "middle of the road" on social issues at all, and the Catholic Church has generously spent the last year pointing out they don't agree with Mr. Ryan's non-Catholic positions on harming the poor, elderly and needy.

This was a panic pick, a result of Mitt's terrible weak of plummeting in the polls. Thursday Mitt publicly requested Obama stop asking him about Bain - LOL

Romney has given in to the screaming ultra-conservative wingnut base of his party, who bullied him into this pick over the past 4 days, a pick so "important" it was rushed into release late on a Friday night newsdump after 11:00pm, highlighted at 5:30 am pacific time, in the middle of the Olympics?

This was a pure panic move of Romney trying to save his candidacy with his wingnut base who can't stand him.

The Obama camp is literally salivating at the prospect of hanging the Ryan budget "end Medicare as we know it, have a voucher and a $6,000 increase in your costs, everyone" around the neck of every single congressional Republican race this fall.

Danzig 08-11-2012 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 882516)
A Catholic who is true to his faith.

Since Danzig proved 9/10 Americans don't really believe in God (secretly) his faith should be the weak spot to hit him on.

Obama should just come out and admit he secretly doesn't believe in God and religion is all bullshiat. ;)

And you wonder why other posters think youre an idiot. You take what people post and add your own bs to it. Do you feel it adds credibility to your incoherent rants?

Riot 08-11-2012 01:34 PM

Paul Ryan, Catholic, actively attacked as against Church teachings by the Church
 
Paul Ryan Budget attacked openly by Catholic Church, since release, as being against Church teachings.

BTW, Joe Biden is Catholic.

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The Catholic Church is already under immense stress. Just Friday (August 11), the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents most Catholic nuns in America, formally rejected the Vatican takeover of their organization and its accompanying Bishop overseers.

These nuns have been accused of emphasizing work with the poor and not focusing enough on issues such as abortion and gay marriage. Some of them participated in the media-friendly Nuns On A Bus tour, during which they traveled to nine states protesting the budget proposal of Rep. Paul Ryan. Sister Simone Campbell was quoted as saying that Ryan's budget "rejects church teaching about solidarity, inequality, the choice for the poor, and the common good. That's wrong."

Their months-long critique of Rep. Ryan's budget is unlikely to lessen in the coming months (now that Ryan is on the GOP ticket).
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Last April, the US Catholic Bishops sent a blistering message to the House Ways and Means Committee saying that any federal budget must be judged by the way it protects the 'least of these.' In Bishop Blaire's words: "The House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria."

The architect of the budget the Bishops deemed immoral was Rep. Paul Ryan, a Catholic, who has now joined Mitt Romney as his running mate on the GOP ticket

Riot 08-11-2012 01:46 PM

Paul Ryan lost his father as a teenager, and lived on Social Security Survivor Benefits from his father's death.

Paul Ryan then attended college on Pell Grants and Federal Student Loans.

Ryan was elected to Congress at the age of 28, and has had a government job with government paycheck, government health plan, and government retirement account ever since.

Ryan lives in a mansion in Jaynesville that is on National Register of Historic Places, thus gets a 20% tax write off for his housing, which is maintained by the federal National Park Service.

Keep that in mind as you re-read the Ryan Budget Plan, attacked by the Catholic Church as "immoral".

Ryan, a Catholic himself, is a strict believer and pusher of atheist writer Ayn Rands Objectivism, and Ryan calls for complete government independence by all people, ending most gov. support for anybody needy or poor in his budget (which is why the Catholic Church, both nuns and Bishops, call it "immoral").

Except himself, who has lived off the government his entire life, and continues to do so now.

There is a clear choice this election for the American people. But easily-told-what-to-do Mitt will still have to release his income tax returns, even after he allowed the WSJ and Bill Kristol to pick his VP candidate for him in an emergency panic.

Thepaindispenser 08-11-2012 02:48 PM

Obama has also lived off of the Government his entire life. What the hell is a community organizer?

Riot 08-11-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser (Post 882613)
Obama has also lived off of the Government his entire life. What the hell is a community organizer?

No. False. Your rabid, nasty-tempered blind ignorance, lying and stupidity are simply stunning:

Obama's first job was working for the Catholic Church, managing a budget, employees, hiring.

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Obama worked for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.

During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.

Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[48]
Obama worked his way through law school, like most poor students:

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While in law school he worked as an associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989, where he met his wife, Michelle, and where Newton N. Minow was a managing partner. In the summer of 1990 he worked at Hopkins & Sutter.

He graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago.[51]
Obama returned after graduation to Chicago, got married, more work:

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Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992. He headed up a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of 400,000 registered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be

Although fundraising was not required for the position when Obama was recruited for the job, he started an active campaign to raise money for the project. According to Sandy Newman, who founded Project Vote, Obama "raised more money than any of our state directors had ever done. He did a great job of enlisting a broad spectrum of organizations and people, including many who did not get along well with one another."
With kids on the way, Obama went to work at a better-paying, more regular job, as a teacher:

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Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).
Obama then worked as a full-time lawyer:

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In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004. During the four years Obama worked as a full time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.
And then, this man who worked his way through school, life, marriage, and starting a family, entered politics.

my miss storm cat 08-11-2012 03:41 PM

To be fair I'm jumping on and off and reading stuff in pieces here and there but this caught my attention.... not so much because really anyone can be said to have been an "associate" in a workplace where they have connections but this... this is what interests me.....


In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.During the four years Obama worked as a full time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.

Now I'm only doing the math in my head but this - the number of hours - doesn't this seem very very low?

Danzig 08-11-2012 07:36 PM

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/...ning_mate.html


just saw this on slate. people celebrating mitts choice are not all republicans.

Chalky 08-12-2012 11:04 AM

Looks like this pick energized the base....the democratic base.

Thepaindispenser 08-12-2012 12:05 PM

Would you expect the Democrats to act any differently? All of their lies and dirty tricks about Ryan will start. It is interesting that they are cheering someone who has consistently been elected from a Democrat dominated district.

pointman 08-12-2012 12:14 PM

Looks like Riot has a new Sockpuppet.

Rudeboyelvis 08-13-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 882639)
To be fair I'm jumping on and off and reading stuff in pieces here and there but this caught my attention.... not so much because really anyone can be said to have been an "associate" in a workplace where they have connections but this... this is what interests me.....


In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004.During the four years Obama worked as a full time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.

Now I'm only doing the math in my head but this - the number of hours - doesn't this seem very very low?

It's roughly 4 and a half months of "Full Time" work. So only about 15% of his time (factoring in vacation time, about 10% actual) as a "Full Time" lawyer was actually spent billing work.

I don't know of any law firms that could possibly stay in business if they relied on that degree of productivity.

geeker2 08-13-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 882996)
It's roughly 4 and a half months of "Full Time" work. So only about 15% of his time (factoring in vacation time, about 10% actual) as a "Full Time" lawyer was actually spent billing work.

I don't know of any law firms that could possibly stay in business if they relied on that degree of productivity.

Thank God he is now a government employee!

Riot 08-13-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 882996)
It's roughly 4 and a half months of "Full Time" work. So only about 15% of his time (factoring in vacation time, about 10% actual) as a "Full Time" lawyer was actually spent billing work.

I don't know of any law firms that could possibly stay in business if they relied on that degree of productivity.

Why don't you two re-read the CV, and look at dates? Which answers your concerns. Gee - what else was Obama doing full-time at that point in his career?

pointman 08-13-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 883092)
Why don't you two re-read the CV, and look at dates? Which answers your concerns. Gee - what else was Obama doing full-time at that point in his career?

Organizing a community?

Riot 08-13-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 883096)
Organizing a community?

Why don't you point out the time and place Obama was a "community organizer" for us? You know, out of the work history I posted.

kp319 08-13-2012 03:56 PM

Elections over folks, Obama easy! Make your bets now if you already haven,t . Good Luck KP

bigrun 08-13-2012 04:06 PM

Back on topic of the thread...this one is for the geek..:D











bigrun 08-13-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kp319 (Post 883099)
Elections over folks, Obama easy! Make your bets now if you already haven,t . Good Luck KP


Not so fast there fella, the repukes ain't dead yet...


Here's the latest repuke email that is floating around...I dun my share and passing it on...free stuff is highlighted everywhere it appears in the email..:)


Free Stuff AND MORE.



I have never heard this said as simply or as well. Class warfare at its best.

The folks who are getting the free stuff don't like the folks who are paying for thefree stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop.

And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of thefree stuff they are already getting!

Now... the people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... the people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason?

The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 236 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that in 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

ELECTION 2012 IS COMING
A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON !!!
For all our sake and the sake of our children and grandchildren PLEASE Take a Stand!!!

Riot 08-13-2012 05:56 PM

Sorry to see you felt the need to forward that mindless baloney.

BTW: What exactly is all the "free stuff" certain people are getting? And who and where are they getting it? Would like to get in line for that! :D

The other falsehoods and made-up memes are sad.

Here's a good article on the intersection of Ayn Rand and current stereotypic racial dog whistles on the right. The e-mail you posted fits the description, below, perfectly.

Some excerpts:

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Some of us see pluralism as the fulfillment of America's promise. Others, however, see it as its demise. Pluralism threatens their perceived structure and invades their comfort zone. Randism to them is a way to 'stick it' to the rising pluralism -- to those whom they deem as inferior, as slackers living off government programs, those who are now taking over their neighborhoods and the reins of politics, changing America. Randism offers a way to pull out the ladder from their upward mobility. It comes in a time that 'minority' babies in the United States outnumbered white babies for the first time. That's the context, the racial fear that provides the identity for this Tea Party brand of 'Objectivists.' And, it is happening at the same time that these very same 'patriots' are destroying the anathema of affirmative action and erecting electrified border fences.

The gutting of all meaningful social programs is the New Right's way of making their stand, drawing the line, joining the border patrol, and taking on 'the others.' It reminds me of the last, reactionary years of Apartheid as the power structure tried desperately to cling to the final remnants of their power. 'If we're on the way out, we're going to tear it down for you.' It does not matter that these same people depend upon so many of the programs they seek to abolish to maintain their middle class standard of living. It does not matter that their parents depend upon Medicare and Social Security to survive just above poverty level. There is a cognitive disconnect born out of underlying racial fear to which they have hitched their wagons and assimilated as a group identity. The cult of Randism has wedded the cult of the clan and the prescription has been handed down.

This is why you hear the right wing pundits on talk radio and Fox News and in editorial pieces laud the virtues of Rand on one hand and slip into racial slurs and stereotyping on the other. The two are part of the same meme. It would not surprise me at all if this were an actual strategy formed within the Right Wing think tanks to cultivate the dumb white masses to provide what their backing plutocracy could never expect, populist allegiance. The infamous "wedge" has been employed to such great effect on these same saps in order to corral them toward the hidden causes behind the front causes they thought they owned.

This populist Randism, however, is even more subtle, more insidious, because it is touted as "values" and "work ethic" and "patriotism" even though it is nothing more than the unstated throttle of base racism. The clue that this is indeed a political manipulation rather than ideological or even philosophical organic chemistry is that Rand's individualism, the naming of the self as 'the' center, runs absolutely counter to the idea of a 'populist' movement, a movement of the masses.

Ayn Rand herself despised these movements and these easily led people, referring to Libertarians as "monstrous," "disgusting," and "scum."

In Rand's own words,

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“All kinds of people today call themselves ‘libertarians,’ especially something calling itself the New Right... I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect.”
Ayn Rand, The Moratorium on Brains, 1971

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...t-of-the-Right


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