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handicapperernie 08-08-2012 02:57 PM

Santa Anita selected as host for 2013 Breeders Cup
 
http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup...ost-2013-event

Calzone Lord 08-08-2012 03:32 PM

Four out of six Breeders Cups held at Santa Anita. The other two at Churchill.

10 pnt move up 08-08-2012 03:42 PM

If this was not horse racing that would be strange.

handicapperernie 08-08-2012 03:48 PM

the bc has slowly but surely starting to suck

helicopter11 08-08-2012 03:58 PM

At least its on regular dirt

handicapperernie 08-08-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 881551)
At least its on regular dirt

that's the bright side

pba1817 08-08-2012 04:59 PM

Where do you guys propose they have the BC at other than CD or SA?

handicapperernie 08-08-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 881577)
Where do you guys propose they have the BC at other than CD or SA?

monmouth, saratoga, keeneland (if they go back to dirt) to name a few

santana 08-08-2012 05:11 PM

Belmont...

Merlinsky 08-08-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handicapperernie (Post 881580)
monmouth, saratoga, keeneland (if they go back to dirt) to name a few

Monmouth was told to reapply for 2014. Dunno the particulars as to why they couldn't do it in 2013. They've had to make the adjustments to host it before. Surely it isn't something that takes two years to get together when Santa Anita can go back to dirt from synthetic sooner than that. What could they possibly have to build or provide that would take that long? Sounds like the decision was already made.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think they're trying to gradually wean us off of different sites til it's almost entirely at Santa Anita, say 2/3 to 3/4 of the time, with maybe an occasional off year as a bone thrown to someone else, generally Churchill. Didn't Satish want us at one track? Wasn't it there partially because of things like the weather? I had a feeling something like this was gonna happen when Monmouth got turned down. If the horsemen want more rotation, I hope this isn't anybody playing games as a backdoor to a primary/permanent host track. This isn't saying SA is anything other than a great host, but it's rather frustrating to see them get it yet again, not long after the discussion about a permanent vs. rotating track system.

handicapperernie 08-08-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by santana (Post 881582)
Belmont...

oh yeah forgot belmont which should've gotten 2013 year and then monmouth 2014. 2015 up for grabs like saratoga or del mar (if they go back to dirt)

skippy3481 08-08-2012 06:04 PM

The breeders cup is never going to be at Saratoga.

pointman 08-08-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skippy3481 (Post 881601)
The breeders cup is never going to be at Saratoga.

Why did you give that away? I thought it would be fun to see how long it would take Ernie to figure that out.

hi_im_god 08-08-2012 06:23 PM

the del mar turf course can only hold 10 starters. i heard at one time they might widen it to accomodate 14 but until that happens they can't host a bc.

skippy3481 08-08-2012 06:45 PM

i thought he would argue with me....

declansharbor 08-08-2012 06:50 PM

Parx 2014!! :rolleyes::D

handicapperernie 08-08-2012 06:55 PM

if tracks want to host bc then it would require alot of work. wish gulfstream would host it again but idk if it'll ever happen again since stronach changed that place big time

skippy3481 08-08-2012 06:58 PM

I'm thinking my home track... Indiana downs... average temperature in nov. is about 50. We don't have a grandstand... but we do have several very nice benches and a playground for the kids. The apron can hold at least 1k people. The track is similar in composition to asphalt, but that makes for fast times. Plus, if the breeders cup comes... all the horses that normally run in nov. can go back to their day jobs of plowing fields for the next year.

It's a win win for all

Danzig 08-08-2012 07:17 PM

arlington? and what about florida tracks? i know more than once people have said hialeah. that would be fabulous!

luvalab 08-08-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skippy3481 (Post 881645)
I'm thinking my home track... Indiana downs... average temperature in nov. is about 50. We don't have a grandstand... but we do have several very nice benches and a playground for the kids. The apron can hold at least 1k people. The track is similar in composition to asphalt, but that makes for fast times. Plus, if the breeders cup comes... all the horses that normally run in nov. can go back to their day jobs of plowing fields for the next year.

It's a win win for all


Now that's a solid argument for the BC to consider!

skippy3481 08-08-2012 07:38 PM

Also, our track records are so slow that every winning horse will set the track record at that distance. Imagine what a good p.r. firm can do with that. ....

my miss storm cat 08-08-2012 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 881586)
This isn't saying SA is anything other than a great host, but it's rather frustrating to see them get it yet again, not long after the discussion about a permanent vs. rotating track system.

Once again I'm lucky cause I live here but once again I'm pretty disgusted at the joke this has become.

I was hoping for Belmont and yeah I know that wasn't really gonna happen for 2013 (can't blame me for wishing though!) but Woodbine, Arlington, Gulfstream, etc..... this is so unfair.

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dellinger63 08-08-2012 07:58 PM

sorry all

dellinger63 08-08-2012 07:59 PM

Arlington's weather is so iffy, even though it's close and convenient for me personally I say know, especially until the Governor either becomes race friendly, is voted out or dies (in no particular order).

NY deserves one soon. But the Spa is far far too small. (don't think the BC crowd is the lay in the park on dirt kind of crowd)

And Monmouth was too small coupled with the lack of parking and neighborhood surroundings (no hotels) to host again IMO.

GP would be interesting but the grandstand is small. They do have a bunch of space to host VIP parties for people happy to watch the TV's and only get a glimpse of the actual track.

Though far from Chicago Santa Anita is my pick.

skippy3481 08-08-2012 08:21 PM

The downs did a nice job last year but the weather can be brutal there..... I would still like to see a 5 year model

anita
downs
anita
downs
wildcard(gulfstream, belmont etc.)

ranger5830 08-08-2012 08:29 PM

I've never been to Saratoga, (gasp!) but on Travers day over the last several years the average attendance has been 40-45,000, I don't think a BC would draw many more than that there, is it that crowded on Travers day?

I kind of agree with MMSC, being a Californian I like it being out here for our convenience but it should go back to New York (I would say Belmont before Saratoga) soon.

Danzig 08-08-2012 08:37 PM

one of the things that the bc originally mentioned, was that the bc was meant to showcase breeders all over the country...and yet, lately, they've shunned any areas other than churchill and ca. what happened? where did that idea go?

skippy3481 08-08-2012 08:38 PM

Andy or steve can better post the logistical challenges to having a bc at saratoga. Belmont is just much better equipped to handle large crowds. Also, a good deal of toga patrons sit in the backyard picnic area...

PatCummings 08-08-2012 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skippy3481 (Post 881692)
Andy or steve can better post the logistical challenges to having a bc at saratoga. Belmont is just much better equipped to handle large crowds. Also, a good deal of toga patrons sit in the backyard picnic area...

Skippy is right - the mass of the crowd isn't in the grandstand, or on the apron, but rather in the backyard.

Everyone should just forget the Spa BC idea - it's NEVER going to happen, and really, it never should.

pointman 08-08-2012 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skippy3481 (Post 881692)
Andy or steve can better post the logistical challenges to having a bc at saratoga. Belmont is just much better equipped to handle large crowds. Also, a good deal of toga patrons sit in the backyard picnic area...

The fact that the Spa is an outdoor facility and that NYRA would have to move a tremendous amount of equipment up there from downstate for two days of racing and could not guarantee that the weather would even allow the races to go on, pretty much precludes the Spa from ever being a BC site.

MaTH716 08-08-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 881653)
arlington? and what about florida tracks? i know more than once people have said hialeah. that would be fabulous!

Supposedly Calder had a big chance, but now those wusses at the BC are worried that Kirk Zadie is going to be walking around all weekend calling people derogatory names and threating to make them disappear.

skippy3481 08-08-2012 09:38 PM

Ranger, do plan a visit to toga. I've been to a fair amount of tracks and nothing compares to that place. It's just something about the atmosphere that makes it unlike anywhere else.

onebadbeast 08-18-2012 01:01 PM

keenland? place is smaller than a fishbowl....


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