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Riot 08-01-2012 11:27 AM

Today House Republicans vote against extending Bush tax cuts for middle class
 
Today House Republicans vote against extending Bush tax cuts for middle class

By Joan McCarter

House Republicans are set to vote against 98 percent of their constituents today, again. Democrats are going to offer an extension on the middle class tax cuts, letting the cuts for the wealthiest expire.

Republicans will almost certainly reject that, refusing to vote against this middle class tax cut unless the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans are also extended.

They will be rejecting the only viable path for extending the cuts for the middle class: the Senate has already rejected extending the tax cuts for the rich, and won't pass the House bill.

The Republicans won't just be voting against working families, they'll be voting against their own political interests, Today's Quinnipiac University/CBS News/New York Times of critical swing states shows that once again:



Results of Quinnipiac University/CBS News/New York Times poll in FL, OH, PA on raising taxes on income over $250,000

In Florida, 58 percent of voters support raising taxes on income over $250,000. That goes up to 60 percent in Ohio, and 62 percent in Pennsylvania. Nationally, the most recent Pew Poll shows that the American people believe that letting the tax cuts for the wealthy expire is both good for the economy and good for fairness.

But for Republicans, voting with Grover Norquist comes before voting for the interests of their constituents. Don't expect that to change with today's vote.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...se-floor-today

Clip-Clop 08-01-2012 11:34 AM

Good. Tax cuts for no one until the bills are paid. I concur.

lord007 08-01-2012 11:35 AM

Let's be clear here they are not tax cuts..shiat is just staying the same:rolleyes:

Danzig 08-01-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 879453)
Let's be clear here they are not tax cuts..shiat is just staying the same:rolleyes:

that is incorrect.

the tax cuts, if not extended, will end. thus, a tax increase is looming. see, the senate already said they will not vote to extend the tax cuts on the wealthy-which means that the republicans in the house have decided if the rich can't get to keep their cuts, no one can. house dems had already passed a measure to keep the cuts in place for everyone except those making over a quarter million a year.
so, with one vote, republicans have gone against what a sizable portion of their constituents wanted....but that sizeable portion of voters doesn't equal the sizeable portion of $$$ coming from the wealthy-so they voted their pocketbooks. but, that's fine. as i said before, i'd rather they all end. the wealthiest are already paying less taxes now than in any time over the preceding 80 years.

Riot 08-01-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879451)
Good. Tax cuts for no one until the bills are paid. I concur.

Then you didn't support W. Bushes massive unfunded tax cuts, and you don't support Mitt Romney for president?

Riot 08-01-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 879485)
that is incorrect.

the tax cuts, if not extended, will end. thus, a tax increase is looming. see, the senate already said they will not vote to extend the tax cuts on the wealthy-which means that the republicans in the house have decided if the rich can't get to keep their cuts, no one can. house dems had already passed a measure to keep the cuts in place for everyone except those making over a quarter million a year.

Just to add, that those making over $250,000 a year still retain these tax cuts everyone else does, on all funds less than $250,000 a year. It is only funds over $250,000 income that will have a tax increase.

Clip-Clop 08-01-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879545)
Then you didn't support W. Bushes massive unfunded tax cuts, and you don't support Mitt Romney for president?

I support practically zero point zero of what has been done in Washington DC since 1992. I do not support Mitt Romney for President, I think he could possibly be better than President Obama but that is only based on Obama being very bad at the position.

Riot 08-01-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879549)
I support practically zero point zero of what has been done in Washington DC since 1992. I do not support Mitt Romney for President, I think he could possibly be better than President Obama but that is only based on Obama being very bad at the position.

Obama is doing great, actually :tro: Taxes at historic all-time low, the deficit going down, government spending cut, auto industry saved, bin Laden and Al Quaeda decimated, one war over, another winding down, and 40 million more with health care availability, billions saved from Medicare which has extended it's life 12 years.

Are you going to be a voter?

Yesterday, my town had a single-issue election. We currently only allow alcohol to be served in restaurants. The YES or NO ballot was for alcohol package sales to be allowed locally.

There are over 20,000 eligible voters in my county. Only 4500 us voted. To the rest of the complainers and moaners this am, who did not bother to vote and yet are unhappy with the way the vote went: too bad.

dellinger63 08-01-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879549)
I support practically zero point zero of what has been done in Washington DC since 1992. I do not support Mitt Romney for President, I think he could possibly be better than President Obama but that is only based on Obama being very bad at the position.

:tro:

The government should govern and do nothing else.

They make a horrible nanny, financial planner etc etc.

Clip-Clop 08-01-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879555)
Obama is doing great, actually :tro: Taxes at historic all-time low, the deficit going down, government spending cut, auto industry saved, bin Laden and Al Quaeda decimated, one war over, another winding down, and 40 million more with health care availability, billions saved from Medicare which has extended it's life 12 years.

Are you going to be a voter?

Yesterday, my town had a single-issue election. We currently only allow alcohol to be served in restaurants. The YES or NO ballot was for alcohol package sales to be allowed locally.

There are over 20,000 eligible voters in my county. Only 4500 us voted. To the rest of the complainers and moaners this am, who did not bother to vote and yet are unhappy with the way the vote went: too bad.

I will vote, even democratic in my congressional election, though I will likely go third party on President despite how awesome things are going based on wherever it is you are getting your news.

Riot 08-01-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879567)
I will vote, even democratic in my congressional election, though I will likely go third party on President despite how awesome things are going based on wherever it is you are getting your news.

I'm glad you are going to be a voter. I hope your state hasn't changed ID laws so you cannot. You might check on that if you live in a Voter Suppression state, where some voter ID's people have used for years have now been disallowed by GOP legislatures.

5 million currently voting, legal American citizens will be prevented from voting this election in November. Don't be one of them!

I get my news from major, well-respected organizations like the Associated Press, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, etc.

Where do you get your news from?

Clip-Clop 08-01-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879580)
I'm glad you are going to be a voter. I hope your state hasn't changed ID laws so you cannot. You might check on that if you live in a Voter Suppression state, where some voter ID's people have used for years have now been disallowed by GOP legislatures.

5 million currently voting, legal American citizens will be prevented from voting this election in November. Don't be one of them!

I get my news from major, well-respected organizations like the Associated Press, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, etc.

Where do you get your news from?

I live in CO they are looking into voter fraud here too. I drive a car, pay taxes, own a business, have healthcare, provide healthcare, own a home, have bank accounts, adopted a dog etc. all things that require some kind of ID, I am cleared to vote.

All reporting a fantastic economy and what a wonderful world we live in since the election of '08 are they?

dellinger63 08-01-2012 02:21 PM

all Americans will be required to have health insurance thus an ID.

Where's the problem?

Riot 08-01-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879601)
I live in CO they are looking into voter fraud here too. I drive a car, pay taxes, own a business, have healthcare, provide healthcare, own a home, have bank accounts, adopted a dog etc. all things that require some kind of ID, I am cleared to vote.

No, I am talking about the new GOP voter suppression laws: states that have taken currently and long-used valid voter id's, and eliminated them as useable.

Where 5 million current voters, with currently "valid voter ID", won't be able to use that ID to vote again in November.

Don't worry, Colorado hasn't done that. Multiple other states have, however. There are gonna be 5 million angry American citizens, who are on the voter rolls, who have always voted legally, that are gonna be really pissed November 6 when they are denied their right to vote, and their current Voter ID is no longer deemed valid.

Quote:

All reporting a fantastic economy and what a wonderful world we live in since the election of '08 are they?
Naw. They just report the facts, unblinded by Faux hysteria.

Clip-Clop 08-01-2012 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879610)
No, I am talking about the new GOP voter suppression laws: states that have taken currently and long-used valid voter id's, and eliminated them as useable.

Where 5 million current voters, with currently "valid voter ID", won't be able to use that ID to vote again in November.

Don't worry, Colorado hasn't done that. Multiple other states have, however. There are gonna be 5 million angry American citizens, who are on the voter rolls, who have always voted legally, that are gonna be really pissed November 6 when they are denied their right to vote, and their current Voter ID is no longer deemed valid.


Naw. They just report the facts, unblinded by Faux hysteria.


5 million man march!
They should get together and form a well armed militia and make sure they are represented.

Danzig 08-01-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 879564)
:tro:

The government should govern and do nothing else.

They make a horrible nanny, financial planner etc etc.

so, you're not supporting romney either? bankers caused a lot of the current problems, and romney wants to remove regulations put back into place to curb their ability to commit further mayhem.

jms62 08-01-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 879564)
:tro:

The government should govern and do nothing else.

They make a horrible nanny, financial planner etc etc.

They are Great Stock Traders

Riot 08-01-2012 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879643)
5 million man march!
They should get together and form a well armed militia and make sure they are represented.

BTW, your suggestion is "treason". Just sayin' :-)

How would you react this November 6, when, as an American citizen, you walk into your polling place, you say hello to the neighbors you know that are working the polls (they all know who you are), they find your name in the voter registration log, and they tell you, sorry, your driver's license isn't enough to allow you to vote, and you cannot.

How will you feel, and what will be your reaction?

My reaction is that not one eligible American citizen should be prevented from voting by Jim Crow laws.

Edit: here is an interactive map from The Lawyer's Committee For Civil Rights Under Law, so you can check if you need to do something different to be able to vote this fall:

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0042

Plus, google your states election laws to double check.

Danzig 08-01-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 879679)
They are Great Stock Traders

hell, i'd be a trading guru too if i had all that inside info!!

dellinger63 08-01-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 879663)
so, you're not supporting romney either? bankers caused a lot of the current problems, and romney wants to remove regulations put back into place to curb their ability to commit further mayhem.

i don't support Romney but prefer crap over a stick in the eye thus he has my vote.

The mayhem would cease if banks were allowed to fail. Jeez same with the post office and most any other government supported program.

We have idiots who have access to a free eduction and pass, yet they should somehow be homeowners?

Clip-Clop 08-01-2012 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879692)
BTW, your suggestion is "treason". Just sayin' :-)

How would you react this November 6, when, as an American citizen, you walk into your polling place, you say hello to the neighbors you know that are working the polls (they all know who you are), they find your name in the voter registration log, and they tell you, sorry, your driver's license isn't enough to allow you to vote, and you cannot.

How will you feel, and what will be your reaction?

My reaction is that not one eligible American citizen should be prevented from voting by Jim Crow laws.

Edit: here is an interactive map from The Lawyer's Committee For Civil Rights Under Law, so you can check if you need to do something different to be able to vote this fall:

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/page?id=0042

Plus, google your states election laws to double check.

Treason would be if the government were following the laws of this country as opposed to rewriting them to suit whatever whimsy comes there way.

How should anyone feel if there vote is negated due to even one voter who isn't supposed to be involved?
I would like my vote to count.

Riot 08-02-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879714)
How should anyone feel if there vote is negated due to even one voter who isn't supposed to be involved?

I would like my vote to count.

There are only a few cases of voter fraud in the past 30 years of this country. There are not millions of illegal voters voting. There are not even 10's of illegals voting. George Bush couldn't find it, and looked for 5 years. We have the occasional felon voting that should not.

Why should one legal voter lose their vote for this? NEVER should a legal voter be denied this essential, basic right!

If you want your vote to count, then I suggest that you don't support a political party that is taking the voting rights away from 5 million legal, voting American citizens via Jim Crow laws and poll taxes purposely implemented to keep non-Republican voters from the polls and from casting votes.

Clip-Clop 08-02-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879836)
There are only a few cases of voter fraud in the past 30 years of this country. There are not millions of illegal voters voting. There are not even 10's of illegals voting. George Bush couldn't find it, and looked for 5 years. We have the occasional felon voting that should not.

Why should one legal voter lose their vote for this? NEVER should a legal voter be denied this essential, basic right!

If you want your vote to count, then I suggest that you don't support a political party that is taking the voting rights away from 5 million legal, voting American citizens via Jim Crow laws and poll taxes purposely implemented to keep non-Republican voters from the polls and from casting votes.

Those folks should be capable of proving they are eligible based on the myriad of things that require ID in this country and will therefore have no problems when it comes down to it.
If even one person votes illegally then my vote no longer counts. One is too many.

bigrun 08-02-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879839)
Those folks should be capable of proving they are eligible based on the myriad of things that require ID in this country and will therefore have no problems when it comes down to it.
If even one person votes illegally then my vote no longer counts. One is too many.


Hey clip, how do ya know that one person didn't vote your way..:)

Clip-Clop 08-02-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 879841)
Hey clip, how do ya know that one person didn't vote your way..:)

I vote both ways!!

bigrun 08-02-2012 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879845)
I vote both ways!!

:D:tro: good answer.

Riot 08-02-2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879839)
Those folks should be capable of proving they are eligible based on the myriad of things that require ID in this country and will therefore have no problems when it comes down to it.
If even one person votes illegally then my vote no longer counts. One is too many.

But if you are not allowed to vote in the first place, because the ID you've used to vote for years is now suddenly deemed "not good enough proof of who you are", you won't even have to worry about it.

That's the point. That currently allowable methods of Voter ID, already in use, are being eliminated.

These laws have nothing to do with preventing illegals or non-citizens from voting. They only negatively affect current, legal, American citizen voters.

5 million American citizens, who have voted for years, being denied the right to vote. It's abhorrent.

Riot 08-02-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879845)
I vote both ways!!

I laughed :D:tro:


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