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parsixfarms 07-16-2012 08:16 PM

Joe Drape Not as Sharp as He Thinks
 
One of the things that has struck me through the recent spate of articles from the NY Times is how defensive and seemingly offended Joe Drape has been when anyone has had the nerve to question his knowledge of the sport. If this recent tweet of his is any indication, he should drop the act:

"Saint Ballado never one [sic] anything of note and was a half ass sire."

"A half ass sire"??? Saint Ballado went to stud after a decent racing career (Grade II winner of $300,000) and initially stood in Florida for $2,500. His succeess in Florida led to him being relocated to Taylor Made in Kentucky. At the time of his premature death in 2002 (at age thirteen), he stood for $125,000. He was North America's leading sire by progeny earnings in 2005, and among the 70 stakes winners that he produced were 2005 HOY Saint Liam, multiple champion Ashado, Met Mile winner Yankee Victor, Captain Bodgit, Sunriver, Sister Act, Flame Thrower, Straight Man and Star Dabbler.

I wonder when the retraction is coming.

PatCummings 07-16-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 875480)

I wonder when the retraction is coming.

"I'm Tom Bodett from Motel 6, we'll leave the light on for you." Keep waiting, surely.

NTamm1215 07-16-2012 08:57 PM

I think it's roughly 1/20 that he was drunk when he wrote that.

pointman 07-16-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 875487)
I think it's roughly 1/20 that he was drunk when he wrote that.

Based upon what he is written lately he sounds like an alcoholic.

Calzone Lord 07-16-2012 09:11 PM





NTamm1215 07-16-2012 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 875488)
Based upon what he is written lately he sounds like an alcoholic.

That was my view as well. He gets really combative on Twitter when people give him s.hit. He's really pathetic.

Calzone Lord 07-16-2012 09:31 PM

Nothing says pathetic quite like Twitter.

It's where the twat meets the sh!tter.

I have pretty low standards, but one thing even I will never do is start a twitter account.

NTamm1215 07-16-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 875493)
Nothing says pathetic quite like Twitter.

It's where the twat meets the sh!tter.

I have pretty low standards, but one thing even I will never do is start a twitter account.

Twitter > Facebook in my opinion.

Calzone Lord 07-16-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 875494)
Twitter > Facebook in my opinion.

You can pick up sluts and score boobies pics on Facebook.

Twitter is basically Internet text messaging...every page I've ever looked at makes the creator of said page look like a huge douche.

parsixfarms 07-17-2012 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 875487)
I think it's roughly 1/20 that he was drunk when he wrote that.

Not sure if that can be offered as an excuse for Drape. In his world, alcohol is probably a performance enhancer.

AlreadyHome 07-17-2012 05:53 AM

lol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 875493)
Nothing says pathetic quite like Twitter.

It's where the twat meets the sh!tter.

I have pretty low standards, but one thing even I will never do is start a twitter account.

it depends on what kind of account one opens
i dont do facebook/myspace/twitter

i knew about a new site for months now and decide to join,(Pintress).
funny to me because once i got to the site i needed to be Invited to get in.,
wrote my email , a day later got a Invitation.
only 2 ways to log in, Facebook or Twitter account so i laugh and never joined.

but i might open a twitter account only for horse racing picks






Danzig 07-17-2012 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 875494)
Twitter > Facebook in my opinion.

i don't do either one...don't get the attraction to telling/knowing minutiae. and the drama-i hear others talk about facebook, and wonder why they punish themselves.

Danzig 07-17-2012 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 875480)
One of the things that has struck me through the recent spate of articles from the NY Times is how defensive and seemingly offended Joe Drape has been when anyone has had the nerve to question his knowledge of the sport. If this recent tweet of his is any indication, he should drop the act:

"Saint Ballado never one [sic] anything of note and was a half ass sire."

"A half ass sire"??? Saint Ballado went to stud after a decent racing career (Grade II winner of $300,000) and initially stood in Florida for $2,500. His succeess in Florida led to him being relocated to Taylor Made in Kentucky. At the time of his premature death in 2002 (at age thirteen), he stood for $125,000. He was North America's leading sire by progeny earnings in 2005, and among the 70 stakes winners that he produced were 2005 HOY Saint Liam, multiple champion Ashado, Met Mile winner Yankee Victor, Captain Bodgit, Sunriver, Sister Act, Flame Thrower, Straight Man and Star Dabbler.

I wonder when the retraction is coming.

he should be fired just for that.

GenuineRisk 07-17-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 875512)
...don't get the attraction to telling/knowing minutiae. and the drama-i hear others talk about Derby Trail, and wonder why they punish themselves.

FTFY. ;)

(Seriously, people on an internet board complaining about Facebook. The unintentional meta is sheer brilliance.)

And yes, Drape is an idjit. But what do you expect from a paper that pays David Brooks and Ross Douthat to spew drivel on a regular basis?

OldDog 07-17-2012 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 875489)




ROR!

Thunder Gulch 07-17-2012 09:42 AM

I've been thinking that was Costanza (Jason Allexander) forever

Calzone Lord 07-17-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 875512)
and the drama-i hear others talk about facebook, and wonder why they punish themselves.

That place is a veritable hornets nest of horny and lame single moms with the occasional attractive on-the-road to spinsterhood chicks sprinkled in.

I can understand if you're doing twitter for purposes like BTW, Byk, Travis, Pat, and NTamm etc.

If not, what's the point? If I wanted to read a bunch of short thoughts -- I'd buy Jack Handy.

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they’d never expect it."

Now, that's brilliant.

Basically, it all boils down to people believe they're interesting enough that they feel the need to update the world on their current doings... they aren't.

Well, other than Randy Moss anyway. And Randy Moss basically dedicates his entire twitter existance to the two loves of his life ... fish and homeless people.

If Moss has a digital camera handy, and he comes across either a fish or homeless person, it's a lock he's getting a picture and posting it on twitter to add to his numerous collection.








parsixfarms 07-17-2012 11:00 AM

So, all in one thread, we've now identified one character who wants to be a marine biologist and another who faked being one.

Calzone Lord 07-17-2012 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 875525)
(Seriously, people on an internet board complaining about Facebook. The unintentional meta is sheer brilliance.)

Facebook is 3rd grade nonsense.

In theory, people who come here should prefer substantive discussions and arguments about horse racing and other issues of the day.

These forums should be places to go for important matters -- like to debate the merits of the top horses in training and to discuss and analyze past and future races.

Facebook is where people should go for less important stuff like talking about jockeys, dishing out hyperbole about the greatness of Zenyatta, and calling Todd Pletcher a f@ggot.

OldDog 07-17-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 875541)
So, all in one thread, we've now identified one character who wants to be a marine biologist and another who faked being one.

:tro:
and a river runs through it.

Thunder Gulch 07-17-2012 02:17 PM

You kids get off my lawn :zz:

Danzig 07-17-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 875525)
FTFY. ;)

(Seriously, people on an internet board complaining about Facebook. The unintentional meta is sheer brilliance.)

And yes, Drape is an idjit. But what do you expect from a paper that pays David Brooks and Ross Douthat to spew drivel on a regular basis?

:rolleyes:

sorry, i disagree. lady who works for me is constantly telling me about the latest uproar between family members on facebook...or a friend who tangled with the woman who works for the florist-she posted something snide on f/b-and a catfight will ensue.
and yet, not once have i ever mentioned to her a thing about derby trail. no one in my family on it with me, i don't report every day the latest happenings at home, or at work. who here knows what my kids are up to right now? but on f/b, i would be expected to constantly update all that bs...i don't care what anyone's status might be.
it's why i come here, to escape that tedium and engage in discussion, both light-hearted and otherwise...to talk about horses and issues, not about me or mine.

Calzone Lord 07-17-2012 02:51 PM

Here is a sampling of my recent facebook posts ... I've graduated from posting fast-food reviews to now posting snippits of the few memorable conversations I've had recently.

Quote:

"France sounds nice. I'd like to go to the top of the Eiffel Tower. See Notre Dame Cathedral, the Arc de Triomphe and Napoleon's Tomb. Take strolls on the Left Bank and dine on the Champs Elysees"

To which I replied Left Bank was a great performer when he was right. Champs Elysees, sh!t, Hasili was a great broodmare. Yeah, I'd like to see an Arc anyway, great race.

Quote:

Me: "This is the worst investment idea I've heard since the last time my brother Dave proposed we go in together on an MMA themed bar with an octogon cage inside of it. Even the Nigerian Scammers would think this is bullshit!"

Pitch man: "So you even think your own brother wants to rip you off?" Me: "No, just get me sued into oblivian"

Quote:

McCutchen's batting avg up to .372
Quote:

It's annoying when dudes hold the door open for you and look like they expect to be thanked. Unless you're a hot chick with big tits, fucl< off with the door-holding.
Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r50rBwrpdhQ Great song from a bunch of guys who subsequently overdosed on Heroin. Think it's Alice In Chains lead singer and a Pearl Jam guitarist.

Merlinsky 07-17-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 875542)
Facebook is where people should go for less important stuff like talking about jockeys, dishing out hyperbole about the greatness of Zenyatta, and calling Todd Pletcher a f@ggot.

Wrong. Facebook is where people to go to actually talk to Zenyatta. It's rude to talk about a horse in the 3rd "person" when they're right there, reading everything you say.

Calzone Lord 07-17-2012 04:18 PM

I always thought Warren Sapp was by far the best player on that great Miami Hurricane defense that couldn't beat Nebraska. So did everyone, Sapp actually got a few Heisman votes.

But, you knew Ray Lewis was going to be a great pro when you heard him proudly boasting about how he only wore two pairs of jeans his entire time at the University of Miami.

If your proudest boast coming out of college is that you only wore 2 pairs of pants your entire time as a star at a university like that one -- it's really no surprise he is the greatest defensive player in the NFL I've ever watched play. That is the kind of crazy thing you'd expect to hear from someone who is undersized, but truly great and was getting better all the time and is still a factor even though he's ancient now.

Sadly, the twitter account for Ray Lewis is run by a PR guy who just posts about charity events. Could you see Ray Lewis in front of a keyboard texting whacked out stuff and making himself look like a complete moron like a lot of these athletes do?

Clip-Clop 07-17-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 875618)
I always thought Warren Sapp was by far the best player on that great Miami Hurricane defense that couldn't beat Nebraska. So did everyone, Sapp actually got a few Heisman votes.

But, you knew Ray Lewis was going to be a great pro when you heard him proudly boasting about how he only wore two pairs of jeans his entire time at the University of Miami.

If your proudest boast coming out of college is that you only wore 2 pairs of pants your entire time as a star at a university like that one -- it's really no surprise he is the greatest defensive player in the NFL I've ever watched play. That is the kind of crazy thing you'd expect to hear from someone who is undersized, but truly great and was getting better all the time and is still a factor even though he's ancient now.

Sadly, the twitter account for Ray Lewis is run by a PR guy who just posts about charity events. Could you see Ray Lewis in front of a keyboard texting whacked out stuff and making himself look like a complete moron like a lot of these athletes do?

Ed Reed was on that team too and he might be the best NFL player ever to wear pads, if not that then at least this generation.

Clip-Clop 07-17-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 875621)
Ed Reed was on that team too and he might be the best NFL player ever to wear pads, if not that then at least this generation.

Check that, they were a few years apart, guess they have played so long together in the NFL that it seems like forever.

Calzone Lord 07-17-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 875623)
Check that, they were a few years apart, guess they have played so long together in the NFL that it seems like forever.

Yeah, Ed Reed came afterwards. He was at Miami from '98 to '01

Ray Lewis was at Miami from '93 to '96. Ray Lewis was on the dominant Super Bowl winning defense of the Ravens in 2000 when Reed was still in college.

Ray Lewis is an old surly Mofo. He might have about 8 super bowl rings if the Ravens had a good offense. They even won games with Kyle Boller.

Ray Lewis was once accused of a double murder -- and is now giving speeches to uppity Stanford kids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fhOVQ9wEA

3kings 07-17-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 875621)
Ed Reed was on that team too and he might be the best NFL player ever to wear pads, if not that then at least this generation.

Rod Woodson who actually played safety on that Raven super bowl team was a better player than Ed Reed.

Calzone Lord 07-17-2012 06:53 PM

The Ravens D that year was so fun to watch. It's the only defense I've ever seen where 3rd and inches for an offense seemed like 3rd and 6. They were almost impossible to run on in situations where the run was likely.

And in other news -- Facebook still has a boat load of single, angry, extremely horny, but desperately needy divorced moms on the market.

Danzig 07-17-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 875609)
Wrong. Facebook is where people to go to actually talk to Zenyatta. It's rude to talk about a horse in the 3rd "person" when they're right there, reading everything you say.

:p

slotdirt 07-18-2012 07:26 AM

I'm going to go ahead and call hyperbole on Calzone Lord for that last one. I'd take the '85 Bears or <insert 70's Steelers team here> over the 2000 Browns.

Calzone Lord 07-18-2012 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 875683)
I'm going to go ahead and call hyperbole on Calzone Lord for that last one. I'd take the '85 Bears or <insert 70's Steelers team here> over the 2000 Browns.

I've said that I've ever seen.

I was 4-year-old when the '85 Bears dominated.

The 2000 Ravens could be passed on at times, and didn't have the greatest pass rush to say the least. Maybe not the best complete defensive unit in NFL history.

However, they played a 4-3 with Sam Adams and Tony Sirragussa protecting the middle for a dead of his prime Ray Lewis.

It was impossible to run on them when the run was expected. Best run defense I've ever seen BY FAR! That team went like 5 straight regular season games without a touchdown ... and they still won a Super Bowl with first Tony Banks and eventually Trent Dilfer playing QB.

slotdirt 07-18-2012 07:49 AM

Trent Dilfer could play some quarterback...if one listens to Trent Dilfer tell it.

Calzone Lord 07-18-2012 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 875686)
Trent Dilfer could play some quarterback...if one listens to Trent Dilfer tell it.

He was washed up by the time he came off of the bench and won a Super Bowl.

The Ravens toughest test in the playoffs was when they beat the division champion Titans 24-10.

Dilfer and Banks combined to go 5-for-17 passing with 0 TD's and 3 sacks. The Ravens running game managed only 49 combined yards rushing. They had just 6 first downs the entire game.

Yet, they won 24-10 thanks to a blocked field goal returned for a TD and a Ray Lewis 50 yard INT for a TD on a play where he basically ripped the ball right out of Eddie George's hands.

Great memories. Indian Charlie knows how big of a fan I was of the 2000 Ravens all season long. That was one of the last nice future wagers I've cashed on sports betting.

Clip-Clop 07-18-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 875627)
Rod Woodson who actually played safety on that Raven super bowl team was a better player than Ed Reed.

I disagree, I do not think that offensive teams and coaches changed their offensive approach in a game because of Rod Woodson. The guy was great but Reed will alter the entire approach to a game, not just on a play by play basis.

Not just my opinion.
“Can’t say I’ve [coached] against anyone better in the secondary than Ed Reed,” Belichick said.

rpncaine 07-18-2012 09:43 AM

Payton Manning has expressed these same sentiments several times in the past.

Calzone Lord 07-18-2012 09:46 AM

Woodson was pretty old when he played for the Ravens. He was a great Pittsburgh Steeler player.

Ed Reed is certainly a great player...but he's a far bigger menace against the pass. For a coach like Belichick, who has a pass heavy team that constantly throws the ball, he's got to fret over Ed Reed way more than your coach of a balanced offensive team.

Clip-Clop 07-18-2012 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 875712)
Woodson was pretty old when he played for the Ravens. He was a great Pittsburgh Steeler player.

Ed Reed is certainly a great player...but he's a far bigger menace against the pass. For a coach like Belichick, who has a pass heavy team that constantly throws the ball, he's got to fret over Ed Reed way more than your coach of a balanced offensive team.

I have heard same from Coughlin too. At the Tilted Kilt (Scottish Hooters, great bar) the night before the Thanksgiving game they played in Denver.


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