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TouchOfGrey 07-10-2012 06:02 PM

Union Rags out for remainder of.. life
 
@DRFOakford: #UnionRags will miss balance of '12 season due to tendon injury, Russell Jones says. He just got word from trainer M Matz while at #julysale

@DRFOakford: Jones says #UnionRags owner evaluating options in light of tendon injury.

@DRFOakford: #UnionRags team to provide statement 2moro a.m. detailing injury from vet Kathy Anderson at Fair Hill.

Arletta 07-10-2012 06:05 PM

Damn it :wf

HaloWishingwell 07-10-2012 06:33 PM

unfortunate but overrated

skippy3481 07-10-2012 07:47 PM

Well hell if IHA can generate 10 million....

Merlinsky 07-10-2012 10:30 PM

"Minor tendon injury" seems like an oxymoron. Unlike I'll Have Another, a horse like Union Rags has a vacuum to fill in the market after the death of his sire (and grandsire, Dixieland Band in the same year). No KY sons of Dixie Union in Bloodhorse's Stallion Register. Dixie Chatter's in CA for $5,000, but even though he's a G1 winning 2yo, it's not at the level of Union Rags who was very nearly a champion and then goes on to win the Belmont. High Cotton's in FL for $5,000.

UR's got a strong female family, he's physically impressive, and he's precocious but ran in the classics. I wish he had cracked a 100 Beyer, but 95 and 96 were his tops right? I'm sure Mrs. Wyeth would love to keep him going, but tendons are dicey propositions as we saw with IHA, and I don't see how a stud farm won't get a truck full of money backed up to the barn asap.

Lane's End stood Dixie Union. You'd think they'd be interested here if they want a Dixie Union option in KY. They've got Grasshopper, but he's in Texas.

Indian Charlie 07-11-2012 10:01 AM

With a gun to my head and the choice of sending my mare to UR or IHA, everything else being equal, I'd probably roll the dice and go to IHA.

My thoughts are that UR is slightly more likely to be a useful stallion, but IHA has a much bigger chance of being a big time stallion. Mostly because UR has about a 0% chance of being huge.

Arletta 07-11-2012 11:19 AM

UR has small lesion in his high suspensory,which leaves him with a better chance of returning to the track and hopefully not getting zoomed off the the breeding shed.


http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing...-injury-071112

NoLuvForPletch 07-11-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 874452)
UR has small lesion in his high suspensory,which leaves him with a better chance of returning to the track and hopefully not getting zoomed off the the breeding shed.


http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing...-injury-071112

He's done enough. I'm no vet, but a lesion is a lesion. How fast could they possibly get him back? If they bring him back, aren't they looking at next summer? What's the point?

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-11-2012 11:39 AM

its not like he is that good anyway.

Riot 07-11-2012 11:54 AM

All lesions are not the same regarding future prognosis. This is an easy and minor lesion to heal, but yes, it would be six months before he could be back - ligaments just take a long healing time.

Not everyone is eager to discard what they have, and go on to the next hot young hopeful prospect. Some still do race for fun. I personally like horses having long careers. But long careers include plenty of months off for routine R & R, and special time off for healing of the normal aches and strains of being an athlete.

Danzig 07-11-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 874453)
He's done enough. I'm no vet, but a lesion is a lesion. How fast could they possibly get him back? If they bring him back, aren't they looking at next summer? What's the point?

no, he hasn't. with the rush to the shed with so many horses, i'd rather they made the attempt to bring him back. plenty of time in future for him to stand at stud.


edit--just saw this in the bloodhorse article:



'The prognosis is four to six months off, and there should be no sign of it after that. He'll go to New Bolton (Medical Center) today to have another ultrasound."

Prognosis is good for the colt, a homebred son of Dixie Union owned by Phyllis Wyeth, to return to racing next year.'



Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz20KrIte74

Thunder Gulch 07-12-2012 03:24 PM

Retires- errrrr rests- with some of his reputation which is better than I think he would have had if he kept racing and moved on to face older horses later in the year.

pointman 07-12-2012 06:12 PM

He's done enough . . . .

skyfire 07-12-2012 07:09 PM

IMO I think he will be back; he is the best the owner has had, she is old school, Michael Matz wants him back...he has more to prove although he is top 2 year old, successful at 3, and is gorgeous with pedigree for success at stud; hope I am right, :).

Arletta 07-12-2012 07:16 PM

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He's done enough . . . .


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cakes44 07-12-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 874705)
He's never run a Beyer over 96 for Christ's sake...pretty sweet stallion prospect if they retire him.

FTFY

MaTH716 07-12-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 874453)
He's done enough. I'm no vet, but a lesion is a lesion. How fast could they possibly get him back? If they bring him back, aren't they looking at next summer? What's the point?

I know, they have to be crazy to bring him back and race him at the ripe old age of four...................:rolleyes:

pointman 07-13-2012 11:10 AM

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freddymo 07-13-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 874724)
I know, they have to be crazy to bring him back and race him at the ripe old age of four...................:rolleyes:

The issue is not if they are going to run him next year just how many 50k opt claiming events will he get dusted in before he is retired

MaTH716 07-13-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 874844)
The issue is not if they are going to run him next year just how many 50k opt claiming events will he get dusted in before he is retired

2013 version of Drosselmeyer?

freddymo 07-13-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 874847)
2013 version of Drosselmeyer?

He just seems like a colt that was best 2 and will never get worse or better. Now if Mott trained him maybe he could be a Drosselmeyer. Makes you wonder how good Barbaro really was for Matz to have been so successful.

Indian Charlie 07-13-2012 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 874848)
He just seems like a colt that was best 2 and will never get worse or better. Now if Mott trained him maybe he could be a Drosselmeyer. Makes you wonder how good Barbaro really was for Matz to have been so successful.

Barbaro was going to be an all time great.

At least of the last 25 years or so anyways.

MaTH716 07-20-2012 02:20 PM

David Grening ‏@DRFGrening
Belmont winner Union Rags has been retired, according to the Philadelphia Daily News

Guessing not too many people will be suprised by this development.

Danzig 07-20-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 876195)
David Grening ‏@DRFGrening
Belmont winner Union Rags has been retired, according to the Philadelphia Daily News

Guessing not too many people will be suprised by this development.

and so much for that.

cmorioles 07-20-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 876195)
David Grening ‏@DRFGrening
Belmont winner Union Rags has been retired, according to the Philadelphia Daily News

Guessing not too many people will be suprised by this development.

I'm not sure I can get through the day now. Amazing the number of recent Belmont winners that never win another race.

TouchOfGrey 07-20-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 876195)
David Grening ‏@DRFGrening
Belmont winner Union Rags has been retired, according to the Philadelphia Daily News

Jerry Bossert@JBossertNYDN Despite several reports of Union Rags being retired trainer Michael Matz just told me he hasn't heard that.

MaTH716 07-20-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 876206)
Jerry Bossert@JBossertNYDN Despite several reports of Union Rags being retired trainer Michael Matz just told me he hasn't heard that.

That's great news. Honestly, I would like to see him come back. I'll probably be betting against him, but a comeback would still be nice.

Calzone Lord 07-20-2012 02:59 PM

It probably just means that Matz hasn't yet been informed of Union Rags stud deal.

I would be very surprised if he ever races again.

Danzig 07-20-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 876209)
It probably just means that Matz hasn't yet been informed of Union Rags stud deal.

I would be very surprised if he ever races again.

and you're probably right. i think every time i see a horse announced as going on the shelf for a bit is just a way to let people know there's an issue, and gauge interest. have phones been ringing with deals proposed? looks like there have been.
and we all know that horses don't always come back the same. so, risk vs reward. it's always a crunching of numbers at the end.

OldDog 07-20-2012 03:37 PM

Retired

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...n-rags-retired

Arletta 07-20-2012 03:39 PM

Sissies :mad:

cmorioles 07-20-2012 04:00 PM

The only thing worse than the retirements is reading the quotes in the faux articles.

Indian Charlie 07-20-2012 04:27 PM

Will this be the new record for the earliest retirements for the entire Triple Crown winners in a given crop?

Danzig 07-20-2012 05:13 PM

"The horse is very much in the limelight as far as breeders go at this moment, and they felt like it would be a challenge and a risk to be back in this position next year."


just like i thought.

Danzig 07-20-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 876252)
Will this be the new record for the earliest retirements for the entire Triple Crown winners in a given crop?

count fleet retired right after the belmont. did majestic prince run again after his?

at any rate, very fast this year.

MaTH716 07-20-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 876262)
"The horse is very much in the limelight as far as breeders go at this moment, and they felt like it would be a challenge and a risk to be back in this position next year."


just like i thought.

Where, in Bangladesh?

Danzig 07-20-2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 876313)
Where, in Bangladesh?

lol maybe japan?

no idea. i wonder who is ringing them up about him tho. knowing that young, unproven sires are far from hot right now, and that's he's certainly not the top 3 yo colt from the crop, or the best bred....i can't help but wonder who is expressing so much interest.
guess we'll find out when they announce the stud deal.
but yeah, that quote from the b'horse article got a chuckle out of me. i guess they weighed their options-and hell, if IHA can get 10 mill, maybe rags can too?

Merlinsky 07-21-2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 876316)
lol maybe japan?

no idea. i wonder who is ringing them up about him tho. knowing that young, unproven sires are far from hot right now, and that's he's certainly not the top 3 yo colt from the crop, or the best bred....i can't help but wonder who is expressing so much interest.
guess we'll find out when they announce the stud deal.
but yeah, that quote from the b'horse article got a chuckle out of me. i guess they weighed their options-and hell, if IHA can get 10 mill, maybe rags can too?

Not the best bred? He's certainly not blue collar either. Nevermind that, unlike IHA, his successful sire and grandsire are both dead and no competition. Throw a rock at his female family and you'll hit GSW/GSP/SWs and sires/producers of the same. They're not all champions (well, his 3rd dam is and his 2nd dam set a NTR against Darby Creek Road), but enough of them have enough accomplishments I don't see why it's laughable that he'd be getting interest. He's got precocity but won a classic race. What's not to like? The only thing that comes immediately to mind is his lack of a triple digit Beyer.

Indian Charlie 07-21-2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 876263)
count fleet retired right after the belmont. did majestic prince run again after his?

at any rate, very fast this year.

i'll give you count fleet, but majestic prince did not win the triple crown. arts and letters did, and he continued to race.

Calzone Lord 07-21-2012 07:08 AM

The new thread title makes it sound like he just died.


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