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gallant bloom 09-20-2006 06:51 PM

Leparoux is Perfect Drift's new jockey
 
http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35397


:)

Cajungator26 09-20-2006 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gallant bloom

Perfect Drift is your BC Classic winner. :D

Kasept 09-20-2006 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gallant bloom

Murray Johnson joined us "At the Races and Beyond" Tuesday night and talked about it... And quite a bit more as well...

Here's the link to the Archives: (Last segment 9/16 near bottom of page..)
http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/s...september.html

He was great..

Here's stream link.. (Sometimes slow to load): http://stream.attheracesandbeyond.co...am/091906c.mp3

GenuineRisk 09-20-2006 09:19 PM

How about that? My crush is riding BuffyMommy's crush. ;)

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-20-2006 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
How about that? My crush is riding BuffyMommy's crush. ;)

Well GR, it's not a secret anymore now is it? LOL:D

GenuineRisk 09-20-2006 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Well GR, it's not a secret anymore now is it? LOL:D

Darnit! Me and my big typing...

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-20-2006 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Darnit! Me and my big typing...

You know, I've watched and critiqued Leparoux's races and riding skills a whole lot before, but I have never actually payed attention to what he looks like...I pay more attention to the horses he's riding. What can I say?

D a m n good rider on some d a m n good horses who is young and looks good = world beater! LOL:D

See what you've made me do now GR. I'm going to be paying more attention to what he looks like now that his actual riding skills in his races LOL....

Cunningham Racing 09-20-2006 09:41 PM

He loves Churchill Downs, but it will take him more than Leparoux for him to quit hanging.....I'm convinced that this horse will never win against good horses again...he can't beat any horse that wants to fight him in the stretch....Plus, he's not as fast as he once was...

I like him but he would have to cut through the infield to beat the younger and more talented Bernardini in the Breeders' Cup....

Buffymommy 09-20-2006 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
How about that? My crush is riding BuffyMommy's crush. ;)


HA HA! Now that was funny!

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-20-2006 10:01 PM

I like your signature Buffy...

Buffymommy 09-20-2006 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I like your signature Buffy...


What I am always saying...


Geniune is now on the Drifty bandwagon!

blackthroatedwind 09-20-2006 10:04 PM

At least they won't have to worry about him moving too soon.

And, ladies, forget about Julien...he's got a VERY pretty girlfriend and from what I've seen she's not letting him go.

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-20-2006 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
What I am always saying...


Geniune is now on the Drifty bandwagon!

That is why I like it...It is very appropriate for this board! LOL:D

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-20-2006 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
At least they won't have to worry about him moving too soon.

And, ladies, forget about Julien...he's got a VERY pretty girlfriend and from what I've seen she's not letting him go.

Nah, I have a finace who I love very much and am very dedicated to (he is good with the horses)...but, it's still okay to look and joke around about it...LOL...

He is an EXTREMELY talented rider. I think the switch will benefit PD, but it won't be enough for the BCC. However, it could move PD up in some of the other races. I agree with Joel on this one. Not to knock PD though. Tough old campaigner who usually is a lock for the exotic bets, but you already knew all of this...

blackthroatedwind 09-20-2006 10:27 PM

Perfect Drift has had a fine career and he's an admirable horse. However, he's past his prime and simply doesn't belong in a race like the BC Classic.

Leparoux is an outstanding young rider who hopefully learned some valuable lessons at Saratoga. His laissez-faire style got him in more than his share of jackpots as the meet progressed and the big boys were not inclined to make his life easy. He's certainly the best apprentice I have seen in some time and will be very surprised if in time he isn't truly on of the top riders in the country. He, however, needs to learn to be more aggressive and fight for what is rightfully his. He most likely will.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-20-2006 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Perfect Drift has had a fine career and he's an admirable horse. However, he's past his prime and simply doesn't belong in a race like the BC Classic.

Leparoux is an outstanding young rider who hopefully learned some valuable lessons at Saratoga. His laissez-faire style got him in more than his share of jackpots as the meet progressed and the big boys were not inclined to make his life easy. He's certainly the best apprentice I have seen in some time and will be very surprised if in time he isn't truly on of the top riders in the country. He, however, needs to learn to be more aggressive and fight for what is rightfully his. He most likely will.

I personally think julien is a good jock and better than the average apprentice, but he is being compaired to the greats and those guys were really just kids 16 not 23 he has 7 more years of experiance being around horses and patience has alot to due with how young riders due. I would take McCarron, Desormeax, Cauthen any of those guys when they were 23 over JULIEN anyday.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-20-2006 11:21 PM

I wish Perfect Drift and King Palm would run in the same race easy money in the super.

ALL
King Palm
Perfect Drift
ALL


:D $$$$$$$:D $$$$$$$:D

pdrift1 09-20-2006 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
He loves Churchill Downs, but it will take him more than Leparoux for him to quit hanging.....I'm convinced that this horse will never win against good horses again...he can't beat any horse that wants to fight him in the stretch....Plus, he's not as fast as he once was...

I like him but he would have to cut through the infield to beat the younger and more talented Bernardini in the Breeders' Cup....



I'm convinced that this horse will never win against good horses again.

so are you saying g2 and g3 horses are not good horses and drift wont win a grade 2 or 3 ever again? your splitting hairs, that comment would be foolish if he had a longer nose or a little more luck in the foster a grade 1 with so called good horses-buzzards bay and brass hat. you would not say that but after the fact you do. don't forget he lost a grade 1 by not even a nose. trust me this horse is capable of pulling one off at any time

pdrift1 09-20-2006 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE
I wish Perfect Drift and King Palm would run in the same race easy money in the super.

ALL
King Palm
Perfect Drift
ALL


:D $$$$$$$:D $$$$$$$:D

lose glue-go lose yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!

pdrift1 09-20-2006 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Perfect Drift has had a fine career and he's an admirable horse. However, he's past his prime and simply doesn't belong in a race like the BC Classic.

Leparoux is an outstanding young rider who hopefully learned some valuable lessons at Saratoga. His laissez-faire style got him in more than his share of jackpots as the meet progressed and the big boys were not inclined to make his life easy. He's certainly the best apprentice I have seen in some time and will be very surprised if in time he isn't truly on of the top riders in the country. He, however, needs to learn to be more aggressive and fight for what is rightfully his. He most likely will.


he ran 4rth 2yrs ago 3rd 1 year ago in the bcc beating 2/3 of the field both times. loses a grade 1 by not even a nose in the foster and ran and great race in the wph to run into suave who ran a freakish race that day for 2nd. given the pc was puzzling. BUT MUCH deserving to be in the bcc!!!!!!!!

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-20-2006 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
lose glue-go lose yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!


Don't worry i will bet pleanty of show dough! :D

He would need the help of Victor Conte to beat Bernardini & Invasor!:eek:

blackthroatedwind 09-20-2006 11:37 PM

Look, if I owned him I would probably take a shot at getting any piece of the four million dollar purse as well, but I don't think he has much of a shot at anything better than a suck up third or fourth.

Please don't claim his second to Seek Gold was a good effort. That same effort will get him eighth in this year's BC Classic.

pdrift1 09-20-2006 11:45 PM

[quote=blackthroatedwind]Look, if I owned him I would probably take a shot at getting any piece of the four million dollar purse as well, but I don't think he has much of a shot at anything better than a suck up third or fourth.

Please don't claim his second to Seek Gold was a good effort. That same effort will get him eighth in this year's BC Classic.[/QUO


im not predicting he will win either, a 3rd or 4rth is prob right. and that was my point in being in the bcc. hes still better then prob 2/3 of the field when the dust settles. the foster was not his best effort but a grade 1 win is a grade 1 win if he would have won and he blew the doors off the so called better horses in bb and brass hat. doesnt say much about thier ability after where they placed and everyone thought these 2 were the 2nd coming in the beginning of the year. i still say he deserves to be in the BCC

blackthroatedwind 09-20-2006 11:52 PM

The designation of a race has nothing to do with whether or not a performance was a good one and his performance in the Stephen Foster was mediocre at best.

How you can state he is better than 2/3 of the field, especially at this point, is beyond me and undefendable. Off the bat he is not better than Bernardini, Lava Man and Invasor, and the likelihood that he is better on the dirt than all three potential Euro entries, David Junior, Dylan Thomas and Shirocco, is questable at best. He certainly hasn't shown to be better this year than Sun King as well. This is just off the top of my head.

Please feel free to fill out the rest of the field and tell me which ones he is clearly better than and why.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-20-2006 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE
Don't worry i will bet pleanty of show dough! :D

He would need the help of Victor Conte to beat Bernardini & Invasor!:eek:

Forget Conte!

http://www.internetweekly.org/images/jockey.jpg

pdrift1 09-21-2006 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The designation of a race has nothing to do with whether or not a performance was a good one and his performance in the Stephen Foster was mediocre at best.

How you can state he is better than 2/3 of the field, especially at this point, is beyond me and undefendable. Off the bat he is not better than Bernardini, Lava Man and Invasor, and the likelihood that he is better on the dirt than all three potential Euro entries, David Junior, Dylan Thomas and Shirocco, is questable at best. He certainly hasn't shown to be better this year than Sun King as well. This is just off the top of my head.

Please feel free to fill out the rest of the field and tell me which ones he is clearly better than and why.

nor does it for any horse be it lava man either out west but does add up to entry points to the bcc in the end. and a grade 1 mediocre i will take any day.

if you think bernardini, lava man and invasor are going to be the top 3 finishers in random order- i think not.1or 2 of these will be going backwards at the 1/8 or before. will one of them win-of course, the euros are a ? but are very nice horses and could upset the whole american applecart. and i think he is still better then sun king. and why do i think he'll beat 2/3 of the field is cause he gives his best all every time, the bigger the race the better he runs excluding his last and his track record speaks for itself, hes always in the money, that is why i think he will be there i dont need to over analyze this with #s and figs and i said prob better then not absolutly.you said yourself 2 threads back a suck up 4rth or 3rd prob, so you must feel hes capable of beating 2/3 also. you know yourself this horse belongs in the bcc until he proves otherwise in it. like you said a 3rd or 4rth payday is a nice sum in the bcc.yes eventually he will no longer be able to compete at the g1 level. this may be his last year for g1's maybe 1 more if lucky, he is getting up there in age

pmayjr 09-21-2006 02:16 AM

The thing about last year's BCC-
Well... I go both ways on how much of an excuse he had last year, because this horse does hang, and he seems to have the eternal case of 2nd-itis. But with that being said, HE WAS BLOCKED FOR LITERALLY HALF OF THE STRETCH LAST YEAR IN THE BCC. Once he was finally able to uncork his run, he got up for 3rd. I'm not saying he beats 'Liam, but if he had a clean ride and the whole stretch to uncork it, the race woulda been a lot closer.

But there's always something with him that makes him fall short. He is a classic hanger. But if he really comes with a run, he's gonna give Invasor, Bernardini, Lava Man, whoever all they can handle... and with that being said- put a show bet on him in the BCC lol.

Beyond my betting interests, I'm rooting for him all the way to win the BCC. He's such a gamer. That, and I'm not ready to say he's "over the hill", like Funny Cide is. If he gets his ass whooped in the 'Classic, then I'll concede. But until then, I'm keepin the faith he's got some good racing left in him.

Buffymommy 09-21-2006 08:47 AM

HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE CLASSIC? WHAT ROPE ARE YOU SMOKING?

The horse runs against the top horses all over the country and shows up 99%of the time and runs his heart out. And you don't think he belongs?

Does Sun King belong? He finishes second a lot. But because he hasn't won should we keep him out of the race?

Crown@club 09-21-2006 09:23 AM

He needs someone that could get him motivated in the stretch - Leparoux? Hmm! Let's just watch. Orlando Mojica could do it..... LOL!

Sightseek 09-21-2006 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
HE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE CLASSIC? WHAT ROPE ARE YOU SMOKING?

The horse runs against the top horses all over the country and shows up 99%of the time and runs his heart out. And you don't think he belongs?

Does Sun King belong? He finishes second a lot. But because he hasn't won should we keep him out of the race?


well actually Sun King has won:

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/06woodward.pdf

and based on current form, I'd take Sun King over Perfect Drift.

Thunder Gulch 09-21-2006 09:43 AM

all-all- drift
all-all-all- drift
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Buffymommy 09-21-2006 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
well actually Sun King has won:

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/06woodward.pdf

and based on current form, I'd take Sun King over Perfect Drift.



I meant in his (Sun King) last few races because after his nose loss to Invasor, everyone was dubbing him the second coming of Perfect Drift. I was just talking because it makes me mad that so many diss Perfect Drift. I can handle the doubters, but to say he doesn't belong in the race is crazy. He will show up. Will he win? I hope so and I will always have faith in him. He may not win, but he will finish in the $$$. He deserves to run anywhere he wants to run. He can run with the best of them.

Oh and by the way, I like Sun King too.

Sightseek 09-21-2006 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
I meant in his (Sun King) last few races because after his nose loss to Invasor, everyone was dubbing him the second coming of Perfect Drift. I was just talking because it makes me mad that so many diss Perfect Drift. I can handle the doubters, but to say he doesn't belong in the race is crazy. He will show up. Will he win? I hope so and I will always have faith in him. He may not win, but he will finish in the $$$. He deserves to run anywhere he wants to run. He can run with the best of them.

Oh and by the way, I like Sun King too.

The more the merrier in my opinion. :)

What is the limit on starters and how do they draw he gets in and who stays out?

Buffymommy 09-21-2006 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
The more the merrier in my opinion. :)

What is the limit on starters and how do they draw he gets in and who stays out?


Good Question! I don't know. Does anyone know?

Cajungator26 09-21-2006 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Good Question! I don't know. Does anyone know?

I thought it was based on a point system. And aren't there 14 starters allowed?

By the way, I can't wait to cheer for Perfect Drift when he wins the BCC. :cool:

Buffymommy 09-21-2006 10:04 AM

Breeders' Cup Divisional Points are earned based on graded stakes placings and are used to select runners in the year-end Championships in the event fields are oversubscribed. Seven of the 14 spots in each Breeders' Cup race are given automatically to the highest point earning horses.


I copied the above from the website.



And Cajun. I CAN'T WAIT EITHER!!!

Sightseek 09-21-2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Breeders' Cup Divisional Points are earned based on graded stakes placings and are used to select runners in the year-end Championships in the event fields are oversubscribed. Seven of the 14 spots in each Breeders' Cup race are given automatically to the highest point earning horses.


I copied the above from the website.



And Cajun. I CAN'T WAIT EITHER!!!

Thanks for the info!

JJP 09-21-2006 10:34 AM

I think Guidry got a little content in the Stephen Foster, which is ironic since he's often very vigorous w/the whip. I think neither PD or Guidry saw Seek Gold until it was too late. It really hurt having win money on PD at 10-1 to get beat my a few millimeters.

Seattleallstar 09-21-2006 11:07 AM

last timed I checked jockeys dont make horses run faster, will having Leparoux make PD run 3 seconds faster

dalakhani 09-21-2006 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1
I'm convinced that this horse will never win against good horses again.

so are you saying g2 and g3 horses are not good horses and drift wont win a grade 2 or 3 ever again? your splitting hairs, that comment would be foolish if he had a longer nose or a little more luck in the foster a grade 1 with so called good horses-buzzards bay and brass hat. you would not say that but after the fact you do. don't forget he lost a grade 1 by not even a nose. trust me this horse is capable of pulling one off at any time

Maybe so but when do the excuses stop? Its always if, if, if. This horse just doesnt like to win. Simple as that. He hangs in the stretch.

He does fill out an exotic nicely though.


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