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Merlinsky 05-25-2012 06:56 PM

Why the NYRA nasal strip ban?
 
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...em-oneill-says

It feels like they've given the equivalent of "because we say so" but I'm not seeing the logic. Lasix is okay but nasal strips aren't when the strips reduce risk of bleeding and aren't a form of medication? They ban it in this one jurisdiction because the stewards don't feel like allowing it? The fear of the strips getting wet and coming off doesn't seem to bother any other racing jurisdictions or the International Olympics Committee.

skyfire 05-25-2012 07:18 PM

Exactly: Everybody can use one, benefits the horse, no unfair, undisclosed advantage.

Danzig 05-25-2012 08:25 PM

Hell, oaklawn just allowed cheek pieces...
Seems like nyra is always last to allow things.

richard 05-25-2012 08:28 PM

What are cheek pieces? The nasal strip ban is puzzling.

Danzig 05-25-2012 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 863702)
What are cheek pieces? The nasal strip ban is puzzling.

Sheepskin that goes on either side of a bridle....sort of a blinker effect from them. Blocks some peripheral vision but not as much as blinkers.

blackthroatedwind 05-25-2012 09:15 PM

Let me say something because this is how these things start....the Stewards said he couldn't wear the nasal strip. Not NYRA. One of the Stewards is a NYRA employee. The other two are not.

I don't have an opinion either way. I just thought maybe I could nip this one in the bud. NYRA did not ban the nasal strip.

Bigsmc 05-25-2012 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 863702)
What are cheek pieces?


Danzig 05-25-2012 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 863722)
Let me say something because this is how these things start....the Stewards said he couldn't wear the nasal strip. Not NYRA. One of the Stewards is a NYRA employee. The other two are not.

I don't have an opinion either way. I just thought maybe I could nip this one in the bud. NYRA did not ban the nasal strip.


The article said nyra banned them at the discretion of the stewards.

Merlinsky 05-25-2012 11:09 PM

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...cal-board.aspx

Haskin weighs in on the O'Neill suspension and nasal strip ban.

pba1817 05-25-2012 11:34 PM

It's like a concerted effort to kill horse racing everywhere right now...

tector 05-25-2012 11:52 PM

I thought this issue had been put to bed years ago.

Only in NY....

Dahoss 05-26-2012 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 863776)
It's like a concerted effort to kill horse racing everywhere right now...

This has been in place since 1999. How exactly is this a concerted effort to kill racing now?

Dahoss 05-26-2012 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector (Post 863781)
I thought this issue had been put to bed years ago.

Only in NY....

It was. It was put to bed in 1999, and I can't recall anyone ever complaining about it before now.

Only on message boards....

Danzig 05-26-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 863771)
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse...cal-board.aspx

Haskin weighs in on the O'Neill suspension and nasal strip ban.

so, what, was cali supposed to not bother with the case since o'neill won the derby? surely you don't think things should be ignored because of the timing? he's a repeat offender, if it gives racing a bad name, perhaps they should re-consider the laxity of rules that allow repeat offenders to keep on doing what they do. does it suck for racing, absolutely. but whose fault is it?

MaTH716 05-26-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 863810)
so, what, was cali supposed to not bother with the case since o'neill won the derby? surely you don't think things should be ignored because of the timing? he's a repeat offender, if it gives racing a bad name, perhaps they should re-consider the laxity of rules that allow repeat offenders to keep on doing what they do. does it suck for racing, absolutely. but whose fault is it?

He's 1000% correct. They couldn't wait another 2 weeks before dishing out the punishment? It was a charge on something that happened 2 years ago for crying out loud. No one is saying make it go away, but it surely didn't have to be addressed before the Belmont.

richard 05-26-2012 11:42 AM

It seems to me that the arbitrary ban in NY on nasal strips should be lifted now. I am going to write my state senator and ask that the ban be lifted before the Belmont Stakes.

Here's the website for the NYSRB...contact info is on the right
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/

Danzig 05-26-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 863812)
He's 1000% correct. They couldn't wait another 2 weeks before dishing out the punishment? It was a charge on something that happened 2 years ago for crying out loud. No one is saying make it go away, but it surely didn't have to be addressed before the Belmont.

It was my understanding that this hearing was already scheduled pre-derby- if thats the case, they shouldnt have changed it just because he won.
Im more concerned that this has dragged on as long as it has.

richard 05-26-2012 01:14 PM

NY is the only state to ban nasal strips but they allow it for standardbreds. This needs to be cleaned up before the Belmont Stakes.

Dahoss 05-26-2012 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 863841)
It seems to me that the arbitrary ban in NY on nasal strips should be lifted now. I am going to write my state senator and ask that the ban be lifted before the Belmont Stakes.

Here's the website for the NYSRB...contact info is on the right
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/

Let us know how the letter goes.

pointman 05-26-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 863841)
It seems to me that the arbitrary ban in NY on nasal strips should be lifted now. I am going to write my state senator and ask that the ban be lifted before the Belmont Stakes.

Here's the website for the NYSRB...contact info is on the right
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/

You might want to stick a few grand in the envelope, otherwise your letter is certain to be placed in the circular file.

pointman 05-26-2012 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 863722)
Let me say something because this is how these things start....the Stewards said he couldn't wear the nasal strip. Not NYRA. One of the Stewards is a NYRA employee. The other two are not.

I don't have an opinion either way. I just thought maybe I could nip this one in the bud. NYRA did not ban the nasal strip.

Don't you know that NYRA is responsible for every wrong in NY racing?

Danzig 05-26-2012 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 863875)
NY is the only state to ban nasal strips but they allow it for standardbreds. This needs to be cleaned up before the Belmont Stakes.




I dont see that happening before the belmont.

richard 05-26-2012 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 863963)
I dont see that happening before the belmont.

Do you always go this far out on a limb with your predictions?

Danzig 05-26-2012 05:15 PM

No, not always.:rolleyes:

Linny 05-26-2012 10:07 PM

Nasal strips have been around for at least a decade and have not been make "legal" in NY for use on TB's. The decision is not NYRA's. As on other things NYRA is bound by the laws and regulations governing racing in the state. Those regulators have not seen fit to permit the strips and thus the NYRA cannot just allow their use.

I am still amazed at how many people who profess to follow racing in this state don't know the difference between the New York Racing Association (NYRA, which runs Belmont, Saratoga and Aqueduct) and the regulatory body, the New York State Racing and Wagering Board. I work for Capital OTB and cannot tell you how often I field questions from customers about NYRA (and other tracks) that clearly indicate that the person asking doesn't know that we (Cap OTB) are NOT producing the broadcast from the tracks. Blackthroatedwind, you can rest assured than several Cap OTB patrons were concerned about your absence on Preakness weekend.

blackthroatedwind 05-26-2012 10:22 PM

I am frequently amazed how many people seem to think I am not allowed any vacation days. Every single time I have been off in the last four years, people have asked if I was fired.

Indian Charlie 05-26-2012 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 863949)
Let us know how the letter goes.

I can tell you right now. Nasal strips will be permitted just in time for IHA to win the triple crown. I feel it.

Indian Charlie 05-26-2012 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 864023)
I am frequently amazed how many people seem to think I am not allowed any vacation days. Every single time I have been off in the last four years, people have asked if I was fired.

Really? You seem like such a cuddle bunny though.

Weird.

richard 05-26-2012 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 864026)
I can tell you right now. Nasal strips will be permitted just in time for IHA to win the triple crown. I feel it.

What's the early Vegas line on the nasal strips for the Belmont Stakes? Every state in the Union allows nasal strips for thoroughbreds except NY. NY allows nasal strips for standardbreds.

Indian Charlie 05-26-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 864030)
What's the early Vegas line on the nasal strips for the Belmont Stakes? Every state in the Union allows nasal strips for thoroughbreds except NY. NY allows nasal strips for standardbreds.

It's a lock, because of the standardbred argument you use.

Surely the politician your letter targets will understand this point and act immediately.

richard 05-26-2012 11:13 PM

If the pol had half the sense that you do sir, there would be free nasal strips for all on the Belmont S. card.

Coach Pants 05-26-2012 11:35 PM

And free Golden Missile money shot viewings for all.

Indian Charlie 05-26-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 864035)
If the pol had half the sense that you do sir, there would be free nasal strips for all on the Belmont S. card.

It is a common misconception that politicians lack sense and intelligence.

The reality is as far from that as possible.

They are all self-serving asssholes that only care about themselves and their sponsors.

richard 05-27-2012 12:01 AM

I hope you are not suggesting that FLAIR, the manufacturer for nasal strips, needs to make a "campaign contribution" to get their product to the NY thoroughbred market.

Indian Charlie 05-27-2012 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard (Post 864042)
I hope you are not suggesting that FLAIR, the manufacturer for nasal strips, needs to make a "campaign contribution" to get their product to the NY thoroughbred market.

I wasn't, but yeah, that would work fastest.

cakes44 05-27-2012 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 864037)
And free Golden Missile money shot viewings for all.

That joke will seriously NEVER get old. Gotta love it.

Danzig 05-27-2012 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 864045)
I wasn't, but yeah, that would work fastest.

it absolutely would. we all know what makes the politicians world go round.

alysheba4 05-27-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 864023)
I am frequently amazed how many people seem to think I am not allowed any vacation days. Every single time I have been off in the last four years, people have asked if I was fired.

.....sorry, i wish you didnt have any vacation days.

Danzig 05-27-2012 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 864018)
Nasal strips have been around for at least a decade and have not been make "legal" in NY for use on TB's. The decision is not NYRA's. As on other things NYRA is bound by the laws and regulations governing racing in the state. Those regulators have not seen fit to permit the strips and thus the NYRA cannot just allow their use.

I am still amazed at how many people who profess to follow racing in this state don't know the difference between the New York Racing Association (NYRA, which runs Belmont, Saratoga and Aqueduct) and the regulatory body, the New York State Racing and Wagering Board. I work for Capital OTB and cannot tell you how often I field questions from customers about NYRA (and other tracks) that clearly indicate that the person asking doesn't know that we (Cap OTB) are NOT producing the broadcast from the tracks. Blackthroatedwind, you can rest assured than several Cap OTB patrons were concerned about your absence on Preakness weekend.


The strips have been banned at New York Racing Association tracks at the discretion of stewards under a one-sentence, catch-all equipment state regulation known as 4033.8 that states: Only equipment specifically approved by the stewards shall be worn or carried by a jockey or a horse in a race.

When the NYSRWB approved the strips in 1999 it was done so with the provision that they would be re-evaluated at the end of the year. The next month the NYRA’s then-president and chief executive officer, Terry Meyocks, announced the strips would be banned at NYRA tracks, according to Dr. Jim Chiapetta, a former practicing veterinarian and president of Flair LLC, which developed and produces the strips.


the above probably explains why folks are saying 'nyra'.

blackthroatedwind 05-27-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 864079)
The strips have been banned at New York Racing Association tracks at the discretion of stewards under a one-sentence, catch-all equipment state regulation known as 4033.8 that states: Only equipment specifically approved by the stewards shall be worn or carried by a jockey or a horse in a race.

When the NYSRWB approved the strips in 1999 it was done so with the provision that they would be re-evaluated at the end of the year. The next month the NYRA’s then-president and chief executive officer, Terry Meyocks, announced the strips would be banned at NYRA tracks, according to Dr. Jim Chiapetta, a former practicing veterinarian and president of Flair LLC, which developed and produces the strips.


the above probably explains why folks are saying 'nyra'.

It actually doesn't accurately explain why people are blaming NYRA but it does give a stilted view of how someone COULD be confused.


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