The SUPER Super Derby
 

An interesting match-up in Saturday's Super Derby (gr. II) will be LAWYER RON the LANGFUHR colt,facing off against
STRONG CONTENDER, with the winner likely going on to the Classic. Also possible is California invader POINT DETERMINED, who worked five furlongs in :59 4/5 at Santa Anita Monday.


LAWYER RON , making his first start since starting from post 17, and finishing 12th in the Kentucky Derby presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), held off 30-1 shot Smokeyjonessutton to win the $250,000 Inaugural St. Louis Derby at Fairmount Park in Collinsville, Ill., on a late August Evening, 2006

Welcome back Secretariat. Nice picture.

thanks Gander, Steve and I both agreed that posting on the old spot was just impossible.

the super derby should be a good race, its got three headline acts, LR, SC and PD who is a lock to show. should have a 7 or 8 horse field, its what there is this weekend, nothing else much running, next weekend, you have the Hawthorne gold cup and the kentucky cup races. PERFECT DRIFT runs in kentucky and skips a trip to illinois and our track troubles :confused:

show up at the race that is, not a lock to show, yuk yuk....

Great race for that track....that is the track I was raised to learn the game around and it gives me some pride to see them doing well with the slots and getting horses like this in there for a big race...good to see...should be a nice race....Personally, I think very little seperates Point Determined, Lawyer Ron and Strong Contender at 1 1/8 miles....

I just don't think Point Determined is that good. The Cali 3YO's from earlier this year have proven to be a cut below.

I wonder when we'll see Sweetnorthern back - he worked the other day.

Personally, I think very little seperates Point Determined, Lawyer Ron and Strong Contender at 1 1/8 miles

I disagree. I think Strong Contender is much better than these, if they all run their race. While I think he was a bit overhyped this spring, especially on the ESPN board, I think hes a lot better than Point Determined and Lawyer Ron. I expect him to win this race by open lengths.

Strong Pretender is the biggest fraud in racing. He's the third best horse in Ward's overrated barn and will not win here.

my knock on LR pre derby was he was overraced,a dozen or so races by May 2006, and i waited for his injury announcement; turns out they let him run through the derby with bone chips.
he also was slower than SMARTY JONES, even though he had completed the SW, rebel, ark derby trifecta of preps races just like SJ. Now that he is back, i think he will defintinely hit the board here, and may or may not be the favorite.

Lawyer Ron easily, PD is average, if it was a mile at Belmont Strong Contender would have a chance, but it's not and he will flounder...

I'll jump on the Strong Contendor bandwagon as well.

He's just a better horse than these ( I think he is the best of Ward's 3YOs ).

Isn't this one of the tracks that Lawyer Ron loves? Honestly, I think he has this one. It may be closer than I want, but I think he gets it done.

they should rename this the " super overhyped derby". lawyer ron, strong contender, and point determined are all overrated.

Hope you don't lose too much on him.

I don't care if they are running on quicksand, 1:45.24 for a mile and a sixteenth at Belmont is pathetic and a 109 Beyer is ridiculous. Thanks to that 32 point Beyer adjustment though he'll be overbet like usual and give me value on the other horses.

The chances of my betting that race are slim to none.

No doubt July 4th was a tricky day, and in retrospect the figures were too high, but I still believe Strong Contendor is better than the horses he faces Saturday, but I will take another look when they draw.

I am confident he is the best of the " mediocre three " in Ward's barn.

I will say that LR steps up and puts up at least a 110 Beyer and at least a negative 1 Thorograph...This horse is automatic...

I like him in here as well PointG. You and I both really like this horse. I don't know about him running a 110 BSF, but I would say that he has an excellent shot at running above a 105 unless the BSFs are biased against this track (wouldn't surprise me; seems to happen a lot down there). The thing about LR is that he will fight them down the lane. He may take the lead in this race. I don't know if he will yet, I have to see the other entries. I also am going to go watch replays of the big 3's last starts.

*Baffert always scares me when he ships into races such as these.

I don't know man....you could tell that PD would get better with racing experience and age and he has had time since the Swaps to get that now...he could be dangerous.....as for Lawyer Ron, he should be the deserving favorite....hell, he is 2nd off the layoff and owns a HUGE pair of wins over that track earlier in the year that can't be denied (Fair Grounds meet). I saw the way he got over that track in person and it was impressive....I have always liked Strong Contender and he very well may be run big in here, but I still like Lawyer Ron in this spot....Remember, Strong Contenders' best races were long, one-turn races....

Good points Cunningham. I just happen to think a lot of Strong Contender even though I cant help agree with those who find him overrated. He is definetely an underqchiever to this point and he may like you said be better going one turn. Should be a good race. I think out of all of them Point Determined is the slowest and will offer up the "worst value" betting wise.

He's got it in him to run a 110, he had no breaks from Fall through Spring, he had a tightener and I believe he's ready to go forward...

I was watching Replays of races last January and I saw his replay of that race a La Downs, the way he went over that track was a thing of beauty...That's why I became a fan of him, I have no eye and even I could tell he loved that track...

SC reminds me of FLOWER ALLEY last year. they both started their years later than the first string but yet FA managed to make a great year of it. If SC is gonna get to the level that we all held FA at, prior to his recent losses, he will have to step up in this race, and he may just well do that. i hven't seen PD's times out west, but i think he has been kept short, like 8,8.5f,
and wonder if he can get up for the win. at the same time, he was one of only a few i had that had multiple trilpe digit beyers headed for the derby if my memory is correct.

this is a good race, i will bet it, the trifecta for certain.

Is this the new thing? Horse's names in bold? If so, I would hope we could at least get a tidbit about sires immediately following the bold. You're slipping, block.

ya thats right, i just type the horses names in bold for no reason. can someone sell slot a clue.

I like the horse's name in bold. Makes it easy to read. I think he was being a little sarcastic, I would just ignore him.

Of course I was being sarcastic. I just miss the Borrego son of El Prado talk from the old ESPN days.

Don't forget Like Now, son of Jules. I loved it when he did that. :D

I like that as well. It is better reading. Of course he cant do that for every horse, but for the ones he can, its a nice way to write.

I think that he has it in him too, but I think that he will run his best race in his 3rd start back off of the layoff (OK, so maybe I want him to run his best race in his 3rd start back because you know what day that will be!)

Yeah, his Risen Star victory in January was awesome. When he won it like that, I was like D A M N...His race before that one was awesome too, but the Risen Star definitely made me a believer. I really like the colt.

BTW, did I miss a serious meltdown on the ESPN board somewhere?

Oh lord, here we go. By the way, I rather enjoy watching Bright One, son of Dance Brightly run. What do you think? :p

Yes, everyday on there. Today somebody said Oracle could crap diamonds from coal nuggets within 2 weeks. That was actulaly quite comical. LOL!

Well shiat, if he can do that, he needs to share the wealth! Geesh! :eek:

its just as important to remenber who the SIRE is, as well as the who current sires RUNNER is. the runner will go the shed in two years, the sire will continue on and make similar runners,in general, thus making your capping job easier if you remember the sires as the years go by.

hopefully by now you realize that EL PRADO, by The CHEF,
SADLERS WELLS, is an important sire. and furhter, PEACE RULES,who seemed to always hit the board, another prominent son of JULES, will keep this sires name in your memory.


thats what the game is missing today, horses you can predict with CERTAINTY, that they will be in the tri. makes it difficult.

I agree, Paul. I liked it when you did that before. Peace Rules will hopefully carry on his sire's line.

I hadn't been there in a while, and gander's earlier post made me think I missed something, so I went looking. I gathered from what I've read that somer officially ceded control of the place to block, then several coups were held against blocky for leadership of the ESPN Horse Racing boards. Is that an accurate assessment?

I was looking foreward to the Bright One running in the Travers, I thought he could light it up just like
STRONG HOPE did when he turned back EMPIRE MAKER
in the late summer 2003, but apparently he was hurt.

SHARP HUMOR gave BARABARO everything he could handle in florida,
he and Bright One, are two who i look to make some money on in wagering, later in the year.

we are here to talk horses, how bout you ?

I'll be in Vegas this weekend, and I'm looking forward to perhaps playing the Super Derby. My form will surely be worn out by Saturday mid-day. The Matro, Futurity, and Noble Damsel look to be nice races at Belmont, and who knows what future star we can expect from the Bertram Bongard on Sunday.

It's Tuesday, dude. Not a whole lot to talk about regarding horses today.

The ESPN board is terrible. It takes too much time to find some credible or intelligent statement.
For the Super Derby, Lawyer Ron of course.