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DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 09:42 PM
Why Lukas went downhill
 
I was just listening to this radio show on the internet and they were talking about James Macinvale, and somehow Lukas name came up because he did the same thing to Satish Sanan the owner of Padua Stables caught Lukas robbing him. Thats why he named the horse Baffert trained to win the BC Juvenile VINDICATION. Man what goes around comes around. Thats why Lukas couldn't get anymore owners he was licking the gift horse in the mouth.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I know, imagine, a downhill trainer that trained a champion last year. Who'd a thunk it.
How many stakes has he won this year now that Bob Lewis is gone?

9% winning is not going downhill what in the world are you smokin.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not sure, but it's not as if he doesn't still get Lewis's horses. Mrs. Lewis, and his son are running the stable I believe. He is having a horrible year, but fact is he trained a champ last year.
Fact is he ran her into the ground after that, what about that masterfull job of training Going Wild to a combined 128 length whoopin in the '05 Triple Crown and then never even gave the horse a break, if i can recall he put him in an impossible G2 Sprint race.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I know, your right, he's a bad trainer. His past speaks for itself. Period.
I am right he went downhill

Live in the now man not in the past

even if he still is a good trainer the fact is he stole from his owners and doesn't deserve to have anymore owners buy multi million dollar stock and let him train them.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I know, imagine, a downhill trainer that trained a champion last year. Who'd a thunk it.

Good thing you changed the subject. Are you saying there is no truth to the Vindication story?

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You are right, because I'm sure you know all of the facts to speak so surely about it. I was always taught to hear both sides of a story before making a conclusion. I've spoken with him a few times, and he has always been very nice. That's how I judge people. Not on third hand info that I heard on the radio. What you are saying about him and owners could very well be true, but unless you know for sure, seems a little irresponsible on your part to pass judgement.
Just cause he didn't jack your dough doesn't mean he didn't take Padua Stables money, how many horses of theirs does Lukas have?

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:13 PM
Ok then you let jason know not to say things like that considering its horse racings only national broadcast.

http://www.racingjason.com/

then click on Sep 10th and go to the 15 min mark of the show

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
So you know for sure he did right? Because you heard it thirdhand on the radio. He trains the same amount as Baffert does zero. What does that mean?
Considering he has like 10 horses in training and best of the best are in NY how many should he have?

HMMMM who trained champion Vindication?:p

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:25 PM
Here is a picture of Going Wild after 05 Triple Crown

http://www.forgetfoo.com/images/blog/sam-ugliestdog.jpg

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Just listened to it, and he says that Sanan has accused Lukas of it. At no point does he say it is a fact like you have presented it. My point is you don't know the facts, and in your usual eloquent way presented them. Fact is Lukas is one of the all time greats.

This is a free country everyone is entitled to their own opinon and considering, you talk to Lukas of course you are gonna be bias. Plus it all makes sense, Your little story about ohh they just thought he might of taken thier money seems a little far out there.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Baffert did, and he no longer trains for him. :) :) :)

And Baffert doesn't train on the East Coast :D

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Just listened to it, and he says that Sanan has accused Lukas of it. At no point does he say it is a fact like you have presented it. My point is you don't know the facts, and in your usual eloquent way presented them. Fact is Lukas is one of the all time greats.

Sounds to me like he was pretty sure it went down, he just has to watch the legal ramifications of being nationally televised.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That's your style right there. Perfect!!! And the saying you were trying to say is kicking the gift horse in the mouth, not licking.

Can't say I never stole money from padua thats like b i t c h slapping them after he gave him some nice stock:D

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:44 PM
He is in desperate need of these

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ecc.../M_66187_1.jpg

Mabey you can buy him a pair for x-mas, i will even chip in:D

Next time you talk to him tell him, be happy with what you got not with what you don't.

dalakhani 09-18-2006 10:45 PM
Could it be as simple as Lukas is just getting old? What is he now- 70 something? He surely isnt going to have the energy or inclination to go out schmooze owners like he use to. He's made his millions already.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I have no bias. I have no relationship with him. I said I have spoken with him a few times. Learn how to read. I also didn't have a little story. I merely said there are two sides to everything. He very well could have done it, but YOU don't know for sure, because he has never been convicted of anything. You were presenting it as fact, which you obviously have a issue getting correct.
Learn how to read?

Is that all you got, thats is WEAKER than Lukas Stable this year !!!!:p

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Could it be as simple as Lukas is just getting old? What is he now- 70 something? He surely isnt going to have the energy or inclination to go out schmooze owners like he use to. He's made his millions already.

I would say that could be true but that Padua thing doesn't help his cause by no means. Plus its gotta be tough schmoozing owners if they have a feeling he took money from one of his big clients.

Cunningham Racing 09-18-2006 10:54 PM
Let me clue you, Lukas is one of MANY prime trainers participating in such behavior towards their owners...that I can assure you of...

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah we should do that for him. Again, are you capable of reading and comprehending, because you have shown you are incapable of hearing and retaining. :D :D
If you are accusing me of having a learing disorder wouldn't that mean YOU WOULD BE PICKING ON THE HANDICAP, wow even though I am not you have sank pretty low. I was just picking on a overthehill trainer, you need some help. You are all fired up.:eek:

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
:D

I know, your point was??? That you don't know anything about which you talk about, because that's what I gathered. How long until you get suspended on here again? I'd say not too long.:D
Lets see your picking on what you thought was a handicap person and you want me suspended, i got suspended? You need to call Lukas and have him set the record strait, mr i know it all.

1st_Saturday_in_May 09-18-2006 11:07 PM
I find it striking that DWL is the only guy on the Top 100 EB trainers list under 10% winners. I refuse to believe that guys like Brian Koriner, john Rigatteiri, Pat Mouton, and Kelly Breen are getting better horses than D Dubs. I havent bet one horse that this guy has sent out all year, and so far it's paid off!

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No I'm accusing you of being an idiot. As far as I know that doesn't qualify as handicapped.
People that have shown to incapable of hearing and retaining are not handicap?

Now your thowing accusations around, sounds to me like you should practice what you preach.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
yeah, you did get suspended. stop twisting things. now i'm picking on you. WAAAAAA!!!!
Look at Mr. Know it all the regualar board tatle tale


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