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Calzone Lord 04-26-2012 05:32 PM

Diet pop VS regular pop
 
Is Diet really worse for you?

Better chance of getting cancer -- drinking 6 diet Mt Dews a day or smoking a pack of cigs a day?

I've been informed I'm eventually going to get brain tumors and die a horrible cancer death because I've been drinking 6 cans of diet Mt Dew a day.

Cigs have to be far worse I would think ... hopefully one of you health nazis will know.

golfer 04-26-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 855750)
Is Diet really worse for you?

Better chance of getting cancer -- drinking 6 diet Mt Dews a day or smoking a pack of cigs a day?

I've been informed I'm eventually going to get brain tumors and die a horrible cancer death because I've been drinking 6 cans of diet Mt Dew a day.

Cigs have to be far worse I would think ... hopefully one of you health nazis will know.

Both diet and regular pop are horrible for you, but diet is much worse. Listen to Indian Charlie, he knows what he's talking about.

trackrat59 04-26-2012 06:09 PM

From the Mayo Clinic:

Drinking a reasonable amount of diet soda a day, such as a can or two, isn't likely to hurt you. The artificial sweeteners and other chemicals currently used in diet soda are safe for most people, and there's no credible evidence that these ingredients cause cancer. Some types of diet soda are even fortified with vitamins and minerals. But diet soda isn't a health drink or a silver bullet for weight loss. Although switching from regular soda to diet soda may save you calories, some studies suggest that drinking more than one soda a day — regular or diet — increases your risk of obesity and related health problems such as type 2 diabetes.

In order of bad for you.
1. Cigs
2. Soda
3. Diet Soda

Hope this helps.

Danzig 04-26-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 855750)
Is Diet really worse for you?

Better chance of getting cancer -- drinking 6 diet Mt Dews a day or smoking a pack of cigs a day?

I've been informed I'm eventually going to get brain tumors and die a horrible cancer death because I've been drinking 6 cans of diet Mt Dew a day.

Cigs have to be far worse I would think ... hopefully one of you health nazis will know.

doug, what does it really matter? i can guarantee you that not one person lives forever, regardless of what they eat, drink or smoke. life is 100% guaranteed to end in death.

now, when it'll happen? nobody knows.

i drink carbonated sugar free water and sonic diet cherry limeades. oh, and crown black on weekends. so i might not be the right health nazi!

Danzig 04-26-2012 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by trackrat59 (Post 855756)
From the Mayo Clinic:

Drinking a reasonable amount of diet soda a day, such as a can or two, isn't likely to hurt you. The artificial sweeteners and other chemicals currently used in diet soda are safe for most people, and there's no credible evidence that these ingredients cause cancer. Some types of diet soda are even fortified with vitamins and minerals. But diet soda isn't a health drink or a silver bullet for weight loss. Although switching from regular soda to diet soda may save you calories, some studies suggest that drinking more than one soda a day — regular or diet — increases your risk of obesity and related health problems such as type 2 diabetes.

In order of bad for you.
1. Cigs
2. Soda
3. Diet Soda

Hope this helps.


probably has more to do with lack of water in their diet, along with other less than healthy dietary choices.

Sightseek 04-26-2012 07:06 PM

Drink coffee or green tea for an energy boost. Sparkling water if you need something bubbly.

trackrat59 04-26-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 855766)
probably has more to do with lack of water in their diet, along with other less than healthy dietary choices.

Danzig, leave it to you to correct the Mayo Clinic. God luv ya.

Danzig 04-26-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by trackrat59 (Post 855780)
Danzig, leave it to you to correct the Mayo Clinic. God luv ya.

lol

that's not what i was trying to do.....i just figure if someone is sucking down sodas, they aren't stocking lots of nutritional stuff in the pantry. that the choice of beverage is just an indication of their overall lack of dietary care.

and knowing what doug eats, and that he admits drinking 6 diet dews a day, i think i'm on safe ground! :D if i ate like doug does, i'd be bigger than my mother in law.

Rupert Pupkin 04-26-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 855750)
Is Diet really worse for you?

Better chance of getting cancer -- drinking 6 diet Mt Dews a day or smoking a pack of cigs a day?

I've been informed I'm eventually going to get brain tumors and die a horrible cancer death because I've been drinking 6 cans of diet Mt Dew a day.

Cigs have to be far worse I would think ... hopefully one of you health nazis will know.

"Heart Attack and Stroke: Drinking diet sodas daily may increase the risks for heart attack and stroke and other vascular events by 43 percent, but no such threat exists with regular soft drinks or with less frequent consumption of diet soda. These results come from a study including more than 2,500 adults published online in the Journal of General Internal Medicine on January 30, 2012. So far, no one knows what it is about diet sodas that could explain the added risk.

Kidney Trouble: In 2009, researchers at Harvard found that drinking two or more diet sodas daily could lead to a 30 percent drop in a measure of kidney function in women. No accelerated decline was seen in women who drank less than two diet sodas daily. The drop held true even after the researchers accounted for age, high blood pressure, diabetes and physical activity."

http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayi...soda-addictive

hoovesupsideyourhead 04-26-2012 07:54 PM

if you have ever had a kidney stone.. you will back off that ****..prey for death..:eek:

GPK 04-26-2012 07:57 PM

what the f*ck is pop?

GPK 04-26-2012 08:09 PM

Just do what my avatar does. Feast on "donutties and choca milk"

Rupert Pupkin 04-26-2012 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 855750)
Is Diet really worse for you?

Better chance of getting cancer -- drinking 6 diet Mt Dews a day or smoking a pack of cigs a day?

I've been informed I'm eventually going to get brain tumors and die a horrible cancer death because I've been drinking 6 cans of diet Mt Dew a day.

Cigs have to be far worse I would think ... hopefully one of you health nazis will know.

If you give up the sodas and start drinking bottled water instead, I will guarantee you that you will notice a huge improvement in your overall health within a month. You will feel much better. I think you will see a dramatic change in the way you feel. Our bodies are meant to operate on water, not soft drinks.

It is an extreme example, but what would happen to the engine of your car if you started putting something in the gas tank other than gasoline? We are meant to drink water and that should be what you drink all day. If you drink 8 glasses of fluid a day, 7 of those should be water. Choose whatever you want for your 8th glass. But the other 7 glasses should be water.

GenuineRisk 04-26-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855803)
what the f*ck is pop?

:{>:

DaTruth 04-26-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855803)
what the f*ck is pop?

It is called a cold drink in some parts.

Danzig 04-26-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855803)
what the f*ck is pop?

you know, a coke. that's what every kind of soda is down here. you want a coke? sure. what kind?

Calzone Lord 04-26-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855803)
what the f*ck is pop?

It's 100% called pop in Western Pennsylvania.




So-da sounds pretty friggen stupid ... however, leave it to the SEC to call it all Coke.

GPK 04-26-2012 08:56 PM

Doug, shouldn't the real question be "Is my girlfriend gonna give me more or less head if I drink diet drinks?"

Beyond that, does anything else really matter?

Calzone Lord 04-26-2012 08:57 PM

I think these soft drinks have an addictive element to them. I crave one right when I get up and I enjoy any non-sweet food more with one.

It would be hard to quit.

I get on my girlfriends case for her failure to quit smoking -- but she's trying to say my diet pop habit is going to lead to certain death from brain tumors. I assumed it was better for you than regular pop, at least.

3kings 04-26-2012 09:01 PM

The craving in the morning is for the caffeine,

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:01 PM

At least with diet soda you don't stink.

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 855831)
The craving in the morning is for the caffene,

yep.

Danzig 04-26-2012 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 855832)
At least with diet soda you don't stink.

:tro:

after we quit, i told my husband i didn't realize how bad we stunk! ugh, can't stand to be around it now.

GPK 04-26-2012 09:06 PM

There are 2 drinks a day I NEVER go without. Some sort of Espresso or Iced Coffee and a Caffeine Free Canada Dry Diet Ginger Ale (has to be Canada Dry too). I tend to drink much more of both on my days off. If I drink as much on my work days, I would never get sh*t done because I have the worlds smallest bladder and I piss all day.

GPK 04-26-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 855835)
:tro:

after we quit, i told my husband i didn't realize how bad we stunk! ugh, can't stand to be around it now.

I haven't bought a pack in a year. I bummed a smoke from a girl at work the other day, and it was the first one I have had since the Tampa trip back in Feb.

Danzig 04-26-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 855826)
It's 100% called pop in Western Pennsylvania.




So-da sounds pretty friggen stupid ... however, leave it to the SEC to call it all Coke.

that's where my parents are from. so we'd go visit and the cousins would say 'pahp' and we'd say so-da. ah, the good old days.

Danzig 04-26-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855838)
There are 2 drinks a day I NEVER go without. Some sort of Espresso or Iced Coffee and a Caffeine Free Seagrams Diet Ginger Ale (has to be Seagrams too). I tend to drink much more of both on my days off. If I drink as much on my work days, I would never get sh*t done because I have the worlds smallest bladder and I piss all day.

community coffee in the morning. stop and get a large diet limeade. then flavored water the rest of the day.


and i'd hate to think what would happen if i smoked a cigarette now, probably make me sick. been about 15 years since i quit.

GPK 04-26-2012 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 855841)
community coffee in the morning. stop and get a large diet limeade. then flavored water the rest of the day.


and i'd hate to think what would happen if i smoked a cigarette now, probably make me sick. been about 15 years since i quit.

Advantage of working at a coffee shop part time, I get the good sh*t:D

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 855840)
that's where my parents are from. so we'd go visit and the cousins would say 'pahp' and we'd say so-da. ah, the good old days.

No surprise that Virginians can't figure out what to call it....

GPK 04-26-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 855846)
No surprise that Virginians can't figure out what to call it....

:eek::mad:

Rupert Pupkin 04-26-2012 09:19 PM

This is from Dr. Al Sears. He talks about some of the things that happen when you drink diet soda.

“Can I ask you something, Dr. Sears?”

Before I could even answer yes, my project manager D.W. said kind of under his breath, “Because I sort of have this problem...”

I waited.

“See, I have this pain. I woke up at 2 in the morning with, like, the worst cramp you could imagine. It was kind of in my back, where I think my kidney is. I had this intense pain on and off all day Sunday. And I feel like I have to pee all the time, but I don’t.

“It hurt so much that at one point, I just lay down on the bathroom floor. I was afraid to move. What is that?”

“I’m sorry to say this, but I think I know exactly what you have. It sounds like a kidney stone. I’ve seen it 50 times here at the clinic. It happens a lot in Florida because people get repeatedly dehydrated. Even though it’s hot, they don’t drink enough until they’re thirsty. By then it’s too late.”

And when they do drink, it isn’t water.

I asked D.W., “Do you drink soda?”

“I like Cherry Coke a lot...”

That’s a problem.

How can soda lead to kidney stones?

You probably know that your body only functions well in a narrow range of body temperature. A temperature of 98.6 degrees is normal. Any lower and you don't feel so good. If it goes higher you really don’t feel well. Three or four degrees higher and you’ve got serious problems.


Your body also has another small range in which it can operate – your pH level. On this scale, 0 is acid, 7 is neutral and 14 is alkaline. Your body prefers a slightly alkaline pH level between 7.365 and 7.390. Anything outside this range causes stress. The farther you go outside this range, then the stress on the body goes up exponentially.

Here’s the tricky part. The distance from the neutral value of 7 is not just numeric. It’s logarithmic. That means each number is exponentially more acidic or alkaline the farther you get from 7.

For example, a pH reading of 6 is 10 times more acidic than 7, but a pH of 4 is a thousand times more acidic than 7. So a small change in pH is really a big deal to your body.

The chart to the left has the pH levels for some of the most popular sodas. Almost all commercial drinks, from colas to energy and sports drinks (including sugar-free ones) have acids added to them – such as phosphoric acid, citric acid, malic acid and tartaric acid.

To give you an idea of how acidic these drinks are, pure, distilled water has a pH of 7. Battery acid is a 1. That means your can of cola is tens of thousands of times more acidic than water.

When you consume these highly acidic drinks, it has a huge impact on your system. Your body will use its alkaline minerals such as sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium to neutralize the acid and return your pH to normal.

Problem is, this upsets another balance – the one in your bloodstream.

Phosphoric acid enhances the absorption of carbon dioxide to keep your soda fizzy. But the shock of incoming phosphorus from soda with zero calcium causes the calcium levels in the blood to decline. This triggers your body to dissolve calcium from the bones to restore this balance.

You almost always dissolve more calcium than is necessary, which can then form kidney stones. The high fructose corn syrup from soda also raises uric acid. If it crystallizes, it forms a different kind of kidney stone.

Continued......

Rupert Pupkin 04-26-2012 09:19 PM

To prevent these painful stones, it’s obviously a good idea to stay away from soda.

But don’t be fooled. Energy drinks, sports drinks, tea and coffee are not good substitutes. They are acid forming, too.

And here’s something you won’t hear from conventional doctors – NSAID painkillers and most pharmaceutical drugs are also acid-forming. It’s another reason I rarely use these drugs in my practice.

If you want to prevent kidney stones, I have one rule: Drink lots of water and pee all the time.

Forget the “few glasses of water a day” rule. You need to drink water in excess of thirst. And that means something like 3 quarts of water a day. More if it’s very hot or if you’re working outside.

Also, there are quite a few foods that form acid, like:

Mustard
Asparagus
Noodles
Olives
Ketchup
Pasta
Shellfish
Flour-based products
Legumes
Tea
Beans
Oatmeal
Brussels sprouts
Cocoa
Coffee
Plums
Cornstarch
Sugars
Lentils
Vinegar


To counteract these foods, eat some alkalizing foods like Brazil nuts, almonds, coconuts, fresh vegetables, avocados, raisins and for a sweetener, use molasses or honey. Fresh fruit works, too, even citrus fruit. Even though they have citric acid, they have an alkalizing effect in your body.

If you already have a kidney stone, see a doctor immediately. Stones that are large enough usually require emergency treatment.

To Your Good Health,

Al Sears, MD

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855847)
:eek::mad:

Sorry, I've got to get out of this place!

GPK 04-26-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 855852)
Sorry, I've got to get out of this place!

Well, yeah. Richmond sucks.

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855853)
Well, yeah. Richmond sucks.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

You just won the Triple Crown. :D

GPK 04-26-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 855854)
:tro: :tro: :tro:

You just won the Triple Crown. :D

Hell, I'd be happy just to win a small pick 3 right now.

bigrun 04-26-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 855840)
that's where my parents are from. so we'd go visit and the cousins would say 'pahp' and we'd say so-da. ah, the good old days.


I'm from western PA....It was pop...down here it is soda or drink...KY was drink..
Speaking of western PA, i have a coffee mug titled Pittsburghese..all the words common to westPA..Here's a few..

Stillers - Steelers
yunz - all of you - a big favorite
ketch - catch
spicket - faucet
cubbird - cupboard
rilly - really
ignernt - ignorant
babushka - scarf

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 855856)
Hell, I'd be happy just to win a small pick 3 right now.

Ha, me too!!!

Sightseek 04-26-2012 09:34 PM

Speaking of regional names, which leads to regional foods....

anyone else ever have a hot wiener?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_wiener

hoovesupsideyourhead 04-26-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 855860)
Speaking of regional names, which leads to regional foods....

anyone else ever have a hot wiener?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_wiener

MARZAK ?


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