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Riot 03-05-2012 09:43 PM

Super Tuesday
 
Here it is: the GOP's probable best chance to choose a nominee, to let a nominee really come to the forefront.

Now, Gingrich and Santorum swear they are in it for the long haul, but ... you need money. The GOP is being torn apart by emphasis on losing social issues (the birth control debaucle). Romney, for his part, has been tepid, and just had an old op-ed published from 2008 that disproves his "states rights" stand on the campaign trail about health care (and reiterates his flip flopping ability) Romney advised Obama to have a mandated purchase of health insurance.

Gingrich and Santorum didn't even get on the ballot in Virginia. At best, any one candidate could probably win 5 states of the states voting Tuesday.

Vote for your best choice for President:

From NYTimes politics overview:
Quote:

OHIO: Perhaps the most important state is Ohio, where Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney are in a tight race. Its working class population and manufacturing economy make it a bellwether for how the Rust Belt might vote in the general election. And it will be a sign of whether Mr. Santorum’s appeal is growing or fading.

GEORGIA: It’s got more delegates — 76 — than any other Super Tuesday state. And it’s a must-win for Newt Gingrich (he says so himself), who represented the state in Congress for years. The South is an important part of the Republican Party’s winning coalition, and Mr. Gingrich is betting that Southerners will like his chances of beating President Obama.

TENNESSEE: It could be part of a string of victories for Mr. Gingrich if he does well. But it also could be a place where Mr. Romney could prove that his appeal can reach into traditionally conservative communities. Unemployment in the state is almost 9 percent, making the economy a central issue.

ALASKA: Ron Paul actually flew to Alaska over the weekend, giving the state the kind of love it rarely gets during elections. A deeply red, conservative state, it’s not much of a swing state in the general election. But Mr. Paul may see its rugged individualism as a plus in his hopes at winning a state on Tuesday.

MASSACHUSETTS:
Mr. Obama is the basketball player, but this should be a slam-dunk for Mr. Romney. He served as governor in the state and remains well liked there. It’s a state that leans liberal in the general election, and with Mr. Romney on the ballot, it has not been contested by his Republican rivals during the primary.

IDAHO: The state is holding caucuses — not a primary — on Tuesday, a fact that Mr. Paul’s campaign thinks is in its favor. Mr. Paul came in second in the state in 2008, and is hoping to do better this year. Mr. Romney campaigned in the state last week, appearing before large crowds of supporters, and could also do well there.

NORTH DAKOTA:
Like Idaho, North Dakota is not a state that gets much attention during the general election since it’s considered a lock for the Republicans. But Mr. Romney’s strategy of trying to win as many delegates as possible on Tuesday brought him to the state last week. In 2008, he won the state over Senator John McCain of Arizona.

OKLAHOMA
: The third of three Southern states that Mr. Gingrich hopes to win, Oklahoma has plenty of delegates and a sizable conservative base. That could appeal to Mr. Santorum, who has said he might do well there. Mr. McCain won in 2008, but only after a strong challenge from Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas.

VERMONT
: The Northeast knows Mr. Romney the best, and Vermont is no exception. Mr. Romney’s campaign expects to do well there. (He didn’t do well in 2008, but only because he had dropped out of the race by the time the primary came around.)

VIRGINIA: The ultimate swing state, Virginia might have been the marquee contest on Super Tuesday had Mr. Santorum and Mr. Gingrich not failed to qualify for the ballot. Mr. Paul is campaigning, but polls suggest that Mr. Romney holds a commanding lead and could snag all of the state’s delegates for himself.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...tate-by-state/

dagolfer33 03-05-2012 11:03 PM

Some of the most depressing presidential choices of all time.

joeydb 03-06-2012 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 843651)
Some of the most depressing presidential choices of all time.

But none are as depressing as the current office holder, so all are an improvement.

Danzig 03-06-2012 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 843651)
Some of the most depressing presidential choices of all time.


:tro:

yet another election where people have to choose their least disliked, both now and in the general election to come.

geeker2 03-06-2012 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 843657)
But none are as depressing as the current office holder, so all are an improvement.

:tro:


but then again you are blinded by your hate of Obama ;):tro:


oh and dagolfer don't make me turn the cats loose on you:D

joeydb 03-06-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843678)
:tro:


but then again you are blinded by your hate of Obama ;):tro:


oh and dagolfer don't make me turn the cats loose on you:D

Yes, in a strange twist it is only the "blind" that can see that the emperor is actually not wearing his purported new clothes.

dagolfer33 03-06-2012 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843678)


oh and dagolfer don't make me turn the cats loose on you:D

Noooooooooooo!!!! But I have come to the realization that cats........ARE OUR FRIENDS!!!!!!!!!

Run the right cat for office and I would vote for him, regardless of party affiliation:D

geeker2 03-06-2012 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 843690)
Noooooooooooo!!!! But I have come to the realization that cats........ARE OUR FRIENDS!!!!!!!!!

Run the right cat for office and I would vote for him, regardless of party affiliation:D

:p:tro:

bigrun 03-06-2012 10:57 AM


Riot 03-06-2012 02:11 PM

I'm sure Jesus would have a public comment about the GOP obtaining that free ride ... good cartoon! Lot of undertones there ....

Riot 03-06-2012 02:21 PM

Obama is turning out to be a very good president. Much better foreign policy than Bush, has done much to restore our respect in the world. Pulled us out of Iraq, killed bin Laden, trying to keep the hawks from trying to blow up the middle east again. Has done the most for veterans of any president in the past 50 years (education, homelessness, PTS, etc) Has shifted the tide to get us in more favorable trading positions relative to China. Changed energy policy, our oil importation is lowest ever (43% from foreign sources), we now net export oil. Saved the auto industry, and as a condition of bailout cars will be getting 50+ mpg within a few years, cutting every single families gasoline expenditures in half within 10 years. Finally passed the Republican health care plan from the 1990's (improved health care something every President has tried to obtain for American people since before Nixon) which will lead within about 5 years to a strong single payer, decreased costs for everyone, better care and access. Has extended Medicare lifetime by 10 years with healthcare plan, too. Saved us billions. Got rid of No Child Left Behind, trying to renew our tattered school system failures and get us back up in the top twenty of educated countries in the world. Has saved us billions in government costs with reforms to college education loans. Has the only budget plan, out of all current presidential candidates, that actually decreases our debt over time.

All against a 100% obstructive alternative party who has publicly stated it's only goal is to make this president fail.

A party who, in two years of overwhelming control of the House, has done nothing to help this countries economic and job outlook, while passing record numbers of anti-abortion bill after anti-abortion bill.

Well done, Mr. President, I'll be proudly voting for you again in 2012. And we'll give you an overwhelmingly Democratic/Independent House and Senate so you can continue to pull this country into the 21st century against the will of those that want to return us to the 1700's.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 02:26 PM

A proud idiot is still an idiot. Good job, idiot.

Riot 03-06-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 843742)
A proud idiot is still an idiot. Good job, idiot.

Yes, all the emotional five-year-olds can't do more politically than throw tantrums and call names. Yet we let them vote. Even the "I'm an anarchist!" ones <vbg> (who can't seem to do more politically than throw rocks through windows and start confrontations. Seems there's a lesson there ... )

America. Gotta love it.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 02:49 PM

You're just a known liar, Riot. You lie blatantly for your President and expect educated people to believe your UTTER F.UCKING BULLSHIT.

Refute this, scum...

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/sto...vets-vow-fight

And I can go after all of that bullshi.t you posted so bring it.

MaTH716 03-06-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 843748)
Yes, all the emotional five-year-olds can't do more than throw tantrums and call names. Yet we let them vote. Even the "I'm an anarchist!" ones <vbg>

America. Gotta love it.

Dead people voting > than 5 year olds......................:zz:

Riot 03-06-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 843749)
You're just a known liar, Riot. You lie blatantly for your President and expect educated people to believe your UTTER F.UCKING BULLSHIT.

Refute this, scum...

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/sto...vets-vow-fight

And I can go after all of that bullshi.t you posted so bring it.

No thanks. You can have your intolerant, name-calling baby hissy fit all by yourself, thanks.

I'll just get some popcorn and watch :D And yes - "educated" people figure things out just fine.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 843751)
No thanks. You can have your intolerant, name-calling baby hissy fit all by yourself, thanks.

I'll just get some popcorn and watch :D And yes - "educated" people figure things out just fine.

You can't refute it because you are pond scum. Go cry to a moderator, disingenuous bi.tch. Socialist c.unt. Piece of anti-American sh.it. Fat whore.

Riot 03-06-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 843752)
You can't refute it because you are pond scum. Go cry to a moderator, disingenuous bi.tch. Socialist c.unt. Piece of anti-American sh.it. Fat whore.

You are such a sad loser.


Riot 03-06-2012 03:04 PM

Anyway ... Coach's troll to stop this thread hasn't worked, so the rest of us can carry on and discuss Super Tuesday voting.

It is interesting how the Derby Trail voting seems to mirror the current national vote numbers, re: Obama (48-49%) vs. all comers.

Antitrust32 03-06-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 843740)
Obama is turning out to be a very good president. Much better foreign policy than Bush, has done much to restore our respect in the world. Pulled us out of Iraq, killed bin Laden, trying to keep the hawks from trying to blow up the middle east again. Has done the most for veterans of any president in the past 50 years (education, homelessness, PTS, etc) Has shifted the tide to get us in more favorable trading positions relative to China. Changed energy policy, our oil importation is lowest ever (43% from foreign sources), we now net export oil. Saved the auto industry, and as a condition of bailout cars will be getting 50+ mpg within a few years, cutting every single families gasoline expenditures in half within 10 years. Finally passed the Republican health care plan from the 1990's (improved health care something every President has tried to obtain for American people since before Nixon) which will lead within about 5 years to a strong single payer, decreased costs for everyone, better care and access. Has extended Medicare lifetime by 10 years with healthcare plan, too. Saved us billions. Got rid of No Child Left Behind, trying to renew our tattered school system failures and get us back up in the top twenty of educated countries in the world. Has saved us billions in government costs with reforms to college education loans. Has the only budget plan, out of all current presidential candidates, that actually decreases our debt over time.

All against a 100% obstructive alternative party who has publicly stated it's only goal is to make this president fail.

A party who, in two years of overwhelming control of the House, has done nothing to help this countries economic and job outlook, while passing record numbers of anti-abortion bill after anti-abortion bill.

Well done, Mr. President, I'll be proudly voting for you again in 2012. And we'll give you an overwhelmingly Democratic/Independent House and Senate so you can continue to pull this country into the 21st century against the will of those that want to return us to the 1700's.

i don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this

:zz:

I guess laugh, because I find it hilarious how some people can LOVE Obama and absolutely HATE Bush when they have had the EXACT SAME Presidentcies!

Riot 03-06-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 843755)
i don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this

:zz:

I guess laugh, because I find it hilarious how some people can LOVE Obama and absolutely HATE Bush when they have had the EXACT SAME Presidentcies!

Oh, I laugh and/or cry when I read your political assessements, too :D

No, not "exactly" the same, but yes, certainly some things Obama is the same (or even more "Bushian") than Bush.

Not all people look at politics as starkly black and white, "my team vs your team" manner. That's what is destroying this country, and why our current Congress is useless. Too much polarization.

There's plenty I don't like about Obama, but far more I do like - a lot. But to think he's the same as Santorum, Gingrich or Romney is not true in the least. All three of those guys have "typical GOP" financial plans and platforms that would repeat the Bush financial disaster, throwing our country into massively deeper debt.

Santorum is just a religious zealot who has no place in the current political discourse (he couldn't even get on the ballot in some Ohio counties, he's so disorganized in his "run for President"): see Howard Finemans "The Republican Party is the first American Religious Party" editorial of a day or so ago.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 843740)
Obama is turning out to be a very good president.

Obviously the vibrator manufacturers are doing well.

Quote:

Much better foreign policy than Bush, has done much to restore our respect in the world. Pulled us out of Iraq, killed bin Laden, trying to keep the hawks from trying to blow up the middle east again.
It's been fantastic for the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, etc. Egypt and Libya are doing grate! Why just today...
http://rt.com/news/libya-split-cyrenaica-autonomy-971/

Iraq is free of our military. Just don't tell anyone the occupation has gone private. Derp!
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/17/136357...ctors-to-enter



Quote:

Has done the most for veterans of any president in the past 50 years (education, homelessness, PTS, etc)
Yeah and everyone knows the military has been treated marvelously the past 50 years with false flag attacks like the Gulf of Tonkin, Iran-Contra, etc.

Why Jesus? Why have you made such a stupid cu.nt of a person?

Quote:

Has shifted the tide to get us in more favorable trading positions relative to China.
Oh thank the Lord! Maybe they'll stop stealing our products now? Can I has a real iPod says teh Chinese boy?

God damn you're a fuc.king colossal idiot.

Quote:

Changed energy policy, our oil importation is lowest ever (43% from foreign sources), we now net export oil.
Well that totally makes 3.75 cent gas ok in the DEAD OF FU.CKING WINTER, YOU DUMB SLUT.

Quote:

Saved the auto industry, and as a condition of bailout cars will be getting 50+ mpg within a few years, cutting every single families gasoline expenditures in half within 10 years.
Chevy Volt rules!

Quote:

Finally passed the Republican health care plan from the 1990's (improved health care something every President has tried to obtain for American people since before Nixon) which will lead within about 5 years to a strong single payer, decreased costs for everyone, better care and access.
Pure propaganda and utter horsesh.it not worth debunking.

Quote:

Has extended Medicare lifetime by 10 years with healthcare plan, too. Saved us billions.
Medicare Supplement premiums skyrocketing. Seniors stuck with plans before the modernization act receiving annual increases between 10% to 30% and can't get on a modernized plan due to underwriting.
Two years of no raise on their social security checks.
Brilliant!

Quote:

Got rid of No Child Left Behind, trying to renew our tattered school system failures and get us back up in the top twenty of educated countries in the world. Has saved us billions in government costs with reforms to college education loans. Has the only budget plan, out of all current presidential candidates, that actually decreases our debt over time.
Yet Americans still suck at education on a phenomenally epic level and still will in 10 years.



You are the worst person on Earth.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 03:21 PM

Look how popular we are with teh world!!!

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...ons_bt/680.php

5 percentage points higher than China! We're awesome!! A utopia of DELUSION!

Riot 03-06-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 843757)
Obviously the vibrator manufacturers are doing well.


Coach Pants 03-06-2012 03:33 PM

^^


geeker2 03-06-2012 03:40 PM

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OBAMA 2012







photo by coach

bigrun 03-06-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 843763)
Attachment 1933


OBAMA 2012







photo by coach


:D:D....taking a dump on his repuke rivals...

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 03:48 PM

Obama 2012
"Managing the Decline"

Antitrust32 03-06-2012 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 843756)
Oh, I laugh and/or cry when I read your political assessements, too :D

No, not "exactly" the same, but yes, certainly some things Obama is the same (or even more "Bushian") than Bush.

Not all people look at politics as starkly black and white, "my team vs your team" manner. That's what is destroying this country, and why our current Congress is useless. Too much polarization.

There's plenty I don't like about Obama, but far more I do like - a lot. But to think he's the same as Santorum, Gingrich or Romney is not true in the least. All three of those guys have "typical GOP" financial plans and platforms that would repeat the Bush financial disaster, throwing our country into massively deeper debt.

Santorum is just a religious zealot who has no place in the current political discourse (he couldn't even get on the ballot in some Ohio counties, he's so disorganized in his "run for President"): see Howard Finemans "The Republican Party is the first American Religious Party" editorial of a day or so ago.

Thats again funny.. because, outside of maybe Joey you are the biggest home team supporter out there. What color are your glasses?

Our country is in the same crappy state as it was when Bush left. Worse, actually because we are much more in debt.

I just don't understand how you believe half the things you say.

At least there are plenty of objective people on this board, who understand that Dems AND repubs do not have America's best interest in mind.

I have conservative political leanings, but I barely support a party. Both parties make me gag.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 04:30 PM

Go to the bottom line. The one with unfunded liabilities.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Spin your way out of that one, Broom-hilda. Keep pushing for more government, you complete and utter imbecile.

Lower than amoeba.

bigrun 03-06-2012 04:30 PM

I am not one to write letters to the editor but if i did it would be pretty much word for word on this one...


Quote:

George W. Bush — worst president in our lifetime

Editor, Times-Dispatch:

In response to Calvin's letter, "Obama's re-election is larger concern than spills": Was Calvin not alive during the administration of George W. Bush? His presidency was many times more dangerous than Obama's.

Bush gave us two unnecessary wars, an unfunded drug program (remember the doughnut hole?), loss of liberty (the so-called Patriot Act), torture (waterboarding and a vice president who said it was OK), and he topped it all off with a tax cut for the wealthy that left us unable to pay our bills. He managed to take a multi-billion-dollar surplus and turn it into a multi-trillion-dollar deficit. Then he handed the whole mess to President Obama to fix.

While I go back to Truman, one has only to go back only four years to find the worst and most dangerous president we have had in our lifetime: George W. Bush.
Obama can take that ignoble title after his 2nd term is over but only if he starts an unnecessary war...

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 04:35 PM

Debt in 2016. I don't see anything of note being balanced. Guess you'll just have to take pond scums word for it.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/cbo-omb-g...estimates.html

Antitrust32 03-06-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 843769)
Go to the bottom line. The one with unfunded liabilities.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Spin your way out of that one, Broom-hilda. Keep pushing for more government, you complete and utter imbecile.

Lower than amoeba.

my yearly pay was just spent in two seconds.

Antitrust32 03-06-2012 04:36 PM

check that.

I wish I made what the govn't spends in two seconds.

Antitrust32 03-06-2012 04:37 PM

the US Unfunded Liabilities line goes up 1 million dollars every 8 seconds.


ok this chart is officially depressing me.

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 04:39 PM

I'm depressed being duped into refuting this stupid piece of s.hit. She ruins this sub-forum with her brain-dead tripe.

Antitrust32 03-06-2012 04:51 PM

She's certainly special.

"Obama is turning out to be a very good Bracket filler.. eh, I meant President"

Coach Pants 03-06-2012 05:00 PM

Yeah it's not like he bailed the banks out and gave immunity for all of their crimes. And we all know the central banks worldwide are no longer printing money at an alarming rate since Obama took office.

She is an imbecile. Plain and simple.

Riot 03-06-2012 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 843767)
Thats again funny.. because, outside of maybe Joey you are the biggest home team supporter out there. What color are your glasses?

Unlike Joey's, mine are clear. Yes, I voted for Obama, because McCain chose Palin as a VP. Obama has turned out far better than I expected. I'm quite happy with him overall, and will definitely vote for him again this fall.

More important are the downticket races - that's the only thing that can correct this country and the horror that is the current Congress. That's where my money and support will be going nationally.

Riot 03-06-2012 06:01 PM

Just announced: Gingrich has won Georgia. Romney leading in VA (only against Ron Paul, other candidates were not organized enough to get on ballot - duh) and Romney leading in Vermont.

Nate Silver 538 Predictions with comment from Jed Lewison:

Ultimately, Super Tuesday is like any other primary night: each campaign's goal is to amass delegates. By that metric, Mitt Romney appears on track to have a fairly good night. According to Nate Silver's latest projection, the most likely outcome tonight is that Mitt Romney ends up with 224 delegates on the night—51 percent of those available, followed by Newt Gingrich with 20 percent and Rick Santorum with 17 percent, and the rest going to Ron Paul and uncommitted.

That would be a good result for Mitt Romney's primary campaign, but mostly because the rest of the field is divided. In 2008, as Nate Silver points out, John McCain actually did much better than Romney's projected 51 percent, taking just shy of 63 percent of the delegates in play.

That suggests that while Romney is likely to be the clear winner tonight, he's going to need something closer to John McCain-type numbers to be able to claim he's effectively ended the campaign. It might be obvious to uninvolved observers that things are over if he's at 51 percent, but his rivals are unlikely to think things are over until he gets himself on track to start taking a super majority of delegates at stake.


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