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Coach Pants 03-01-2012 08:51 AM

Andrew Breitbart dies of "natural causes"
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/andrew-brei...ry?id=15824337

Danzig 03-01-2012 09:17 AM

wow, only 43. it boggles the mind to know folks can die of natural causes at a young age. wonder if it was his heart? cancer gets a lot of media attention, but i believe heart disease is still the #1 killer in the u.s.

Rudeboyelvis 03-01-2012 09:42 AM

Karma is a muthafukah

Danzig 03-01-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842260)
Karma is a muthafukah

:rolleyes:

Rudeboyelvis 03-01-2012 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 842263)
:rolleyes:

Whatevah

He was a lying, disingenuous character assassin who's distortions and mistruths promoted a far right agenda that has splintered and destroyed the Republican party.

He made Ann Colter look like Mother Theresa - he was just a bit more sophisticated in his approach

bigrun 03-01-2012 10:30 AM

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He made Ann Colter look like Mother Theresa
That is not possible..


Wasn't a fan of Breitbart only heard of him past year...43 way too young to die...RIP.




This cartoon showed up today...





Rudeboyelvis 03-01-2012 10:42 AM

"I've never wished a man dead, but have taken great pleasure in reading some obituaries" ~ Mark Twain

Rudeboyelvis 03-01-2012 10:44 AM

And by the way, nobody dies of "natural causes" at 43 years of age. The autopsy will be enlightening.

bigrun 03-01-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842280)
And by the way, nobody dies of "natural causes" at 43 years of age. The autopsy will be enlightening.


Is a heart attack 'natural causes'?...too early to tell but here is an excerpt from US news..




According to the Associated Press, Breitbart was walking near his house in the Brentwood neighborhood shortly after midnight Thursday when he collapsed, his father-in-law Orson Bean said.

Someone saw him fall and called paramedics, who tried to revive him. They rushed him to the emergency room at UCLA Medical Center, Bean said.

Breitbart had suffered heart problems a year earlier, but Bean said he could not pinpoint what happened.

dellinger63 03-01-2012 11:19 AM

I'm sure Riot will tell us what happened. Until then it's just rumors.

geeker2 03-01-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 842286)
I'm sure Riot will tell us what happened. Until then it's just rumors.

I laughed

Danzig 03-01-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842280)
And by the way, nobody dies of "natural causes" at 43 years of age. The autopsy will be enlightening.

people younger than him have died and it be ruled natural causes. he may well have had an illness that no one knew about and it killed him. i worked with a lady who wasn't 40 yet and suffered a stroke. it's rare at younger ages, but it does happen.

just because the guy said things people didn't like doesn't mean it was a kgb/ussr 'heart attack'. nor does it mean he deserved death or that karma had it out for him. hitler and stalin living longer lives certainly bears that out.

Rudeboyelvis 03-01-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 842293)
people younger than him have died and it be ruled natural causes. he may well have had an illness that no one knew about and it killed him. i worked with a lady who wasn't 40 yet and suffered a stroke. it's rare at younger ages, but it does happen.

just because the guy said things people didn't like doesn't mean it was a kgb/ussr 'heart attack'. nor does it mean he deserved death or that karma had it out for him. hitler and stalin living longer lives certainly bears that out.

A stoke or a heart attack isn't "natural cause"; it's a stroke or a heart attack. Dying of a life shortening, pre-existing condition isn't natural cause either.

Natural causes is when you just die, typically due to the infirmaties of old age, but your body can just give out. Had a Staff Sgt in the Marine Corps who just keeled over one day - no distress; no heart failure; just died. natural causes - he was 60. That is extremely rare; 43 is unheard of.

Antitrust32 03-01-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842280)
And by the way, nobody dies of "natural causes" at 43 years of age. The autopsy will be enlightening.

lots of people die from heart attacks, strokes, clots, etc in their middle ages.

I believe all of those would be classified under "natural causes"

Then again, he could have been like Rush and had a pill problem that caught up with him. Or it could be a hit. There's a lot of special ops stuff that happens in the US that the citizens have no idea about. Though a hit was probably unlikely.

Antitrust32 03-01-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842309)
A stoke or a heart attack isn't "natural cause"; it's a stroke or a heart attack. Dying of a life shortening, pre-existing condition isn't natural cause either.

Natural causes is when you just die, typically due to the infirmaties of old age, but your body can just give out. Had a Staff Sgt in the Marine Corps who just keeled over one day - no distress; no heart failure; just died. natural causes - he was 60. That is extremely rare; 43 is unheard of.

I would bet that heart attack death would be classified as natural causes. once the autopsy is finished, maybe they would just say heart attack instead of natural causes. But it wasnt a car wreck, or gunshot, or a cancer death, so I can understand the label of "natural causes"

Danzig 03-01-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842309)
A stoke or a heart attack isn't "natural cause"; it's a stroke or a heart attack. Dying of a life shortening, pre-existing condition isn't natural cause either.

Natural causes is when you just die, typically due to the infirmaties of old age, but your body can just give out. Had a Staff Sgt in the Marine Corps who just keeled over one day - no distress; no heart failure; just died. natural causes - he was 60. That is extremely rare; 43 is unheard of.

but i think it is natural causes. it's not unnatural, it's not criminal. it's not normal, but it wasn't an occurrence caused by something.




edit~ just googled it:

A death by natural causes, as recorded by coroners and on death certificates and associated documents, is one that is primarily attributed to natural agents: usually an illness or an internal malfunction of the body. For example, a person dying from complications from influenza (an infection) or a heart attack (an internal body malfunction) would be listed as having died of natural causes. Old age is not a scientifically recognized cause of death; there is always a more direct cause although it may be unknown in certain cases and could be one of a number of aging-associated diseases.

In contrast, death caused by active intervention is called unnatural death. The "unnatural" causes are usually given as accident (implying no unreasonable voluntary risk), misadventure (accident following a wilful and dangerous risk), suicide, or homicide.[1] In some settings, other categories may be added. For example, a prison may track the deaths of inmates due to acute intoxication separately.[2]

Antitrust32 03-01-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 842312)
lots of people die from heart attacks, strokes, clots, etc in their middle ages.

I believe all of those would be classified under "natural causes"

Then again, he could have been like Rush and had a pill problem that caught up with him. Or it could be a hit. There's a lot of special ops stuff that happens in the US that the citizens have no idea about. Though a hit was probably unlikely.

I should clarify this. I don't know if it happens a lot, or what really goes on. But I know it does go on!

Danzig 03-01-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 842319)
I should clarify this. I don't know if it happens a lot, or what really goes on. But I know it does go on!

you must watch a lot of movies! :D

Rudeboyelvis 03-01-2012 12:35 PM

It isn't natural for a 43 year old man's heart to just stop. It would be attributed to an underlying condition as the cause. Here's how the AMA classifies these things - it is subjective and it would not surprise me in the least if they kept Breitbart's cause of death this way, but that's not to say it's correct:

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...tract/156/1/25

Antitrust32 03-01-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 842321)
you must watch a lot of movies! :D

I do!! But thats not why I know it goes on.

mclem0822 03-01-2012 12:38 PM

Wow........
 
RIP. I was certainly not a fan of the guy. Last seen by me making a total drunken ASS of himself yelling at Occupiers to " Behave yourselves" and other drivel as they dragged his drunken ass away! The guy was bad news, and epitome of liar journalism ( see the Fixed News Network for definition) gave bloggers a bad name IMO! Maybe the booze did him in. Maybe we find out in a few weeks.

bigrun 03-01-2012 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 842318)
but i think it is natural causes. it's not unnatural, it's not criminal. it's not normal, but it wasn't an occurrence caused by something.




edit~ just googled it:

A death by natural causes, as recorded by coroners and on death certificates and associated documents, is one that is primarily attributed to natural agents: usually an illness or an internal malfunction of the body. For example, a person dying from complications from influenza (an infection) or a heart attack (an internal body malfunction) would be listed as having died of natural causes. Old age is not a scientifically recognized cause of death; there is always a more direct cause although it may be unknown in certain cases and could be one of a number of aging-associated diseases.

In contrast, death caused by active intervention is called unnatural death. The "unnatural" causes are usually given as accident (implying no unreasonable voluntary risk), misadventure (accident following a wilful and dangerous risk), suicide, or homicide.[1] In some settings, other categories may be added. For example, a prison may track the deaths of inmates due to acute intoxication separately.[2]


Thanks for clearing that up...

Riot 03-01-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822 (Post 842326)
RIP. I was certainly not a fan of the guy. Last seen by me making a total drunken ASS of himself yelling at Occupiers to " Behave yourselves" and other drivel as they dragged his drunken ass away! The guy was bad news, and epitome of liar journalism ( see the Fixed News Network for definition) gave bloggers a bad name IMO! Maybe the booze did him in. Maybe we find out in a few weeks.

Ditto. That video shows a hate and anger that permeated his life and work. He's destroyed reputations and lives by his lies, and currently was facing a lawsuit regarding his lying and destroying Shirley Sherrod's reputation, causing her to lose her job.

Here's the thread of him screaming drunkenly and angrily at Occupy protesters at CPAC recently:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45570

43 is young. Condolences to his family and friends.

Riot 03-01-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 842260)
Karma is a muthafukah

http://www.americablog.com/2012/03/a...-kennedys.html

With the death this morning of conservative activist Andrew Breitbart, and the inevitable debate over whether it's ever appropriate to speak ill of the dead, this quote of Breitbart's, about Senator Ted Kennedy's death, comes to mind. From Michael Calderone at Politico:

Andrew Breitbart, a Washington Times columnist who oversees Breitbart.com and BigHollywood.com, tapped into the anti-Kennedy vein in the hours after the senator’s death was announced, posting a series of Twitter messages in which he called Kennedy a “villain,” a “duplicitous bastard” and a “prick.”

"I'm more than willing to go off decorum to ensure THIS MAN is not beatified,” Breitbart wrote. “Sorry, he destroyed lives. And he knew it."

Antitrust32 03-01-2012 02:49 PM

:zz:

what an extremely weird post. Speak ill of the dead by showing him speaking ill of the dead. Which pretty much makes you exactly like him.

Breitbert was a very unlikable guy for a lot of people. People don't need to be saddened by his death (I never met him, his death really does not affect me) But still, that was one of the weirdest posts i've ever seen.

Riot 03-01-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 842384)
:zz:

what an extremely weird post. Speak ill of the dead by showing him speaking ill of the dead. Which pretty much makes you exactly like him.

Breitbert was a very unlikable guy for a lot of people. People don't need to be saddened by his death (I never met him, his death really does not affect me) But still, that was one of the weirdest posts i've ever seen.

Weird? Elvis posted about "karma", and I posted the perfect example of that.

I had already posted my opinion of Breitbart in a previous post, did you miss what I actually said about "the dead" Breitbart? What's weird is you apparently completely ignoring what I actually said about Breitbart, and accuse me of speaking ill via quoting something else.

No. I said very plainly what I thought about Breitbart. It's in the post above the one where you are creating some magical weirdness out of thin air. I don't need your magical secret weirdness. I said plainly what I thought of the guy.

lord007 03-01-2012 09:44 PM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...w-coroner.html....Assassinated...?

hi_im_god 03-01-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 842546)

deluded....?

Danzig 03-01-2012 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 842546)

seriously? lol

they're reviewing it because of his age, not because there's a thought of foul play.

hi_im_god 03-01-2012 10:06 PM

in a similar vein, did anyone notice that joe arpaio has concluded that he can't rule out obama's long form was faked?

I wonder what it's like living inside that kind of insanity bubble. i imagine it's cramped and smells like cat pee but who knows?

lord007 03-01-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 842549)
deluded....?

He had a video of Michelle scarfing down whoppers...Let's Move people

joeydb 03-02-2012 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 842558)
He had a video of Michelle scarfing down whoppers...Let's Move people

LOL - probably not far from the truth.

Rest in Peace - Breitbart was excellent - left wing smearing of his name notwithstanding.

Did he ever get that apology from the press saying he was "lying" about the Anthony Weiner photos? How about the ACORN sting - did that not really happen as depicted on the video? The left is upset because, in Breitbart, they actually had to deal with some of the "in your face" tactics they employ against the right.

Don't worry - Breitbart is gone - but there will be more like him. Bet on it.

Antitrust32 03-02-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 842473)
Weird? Elvis posted about "karma", and I posted the perfect example of that.

I had already posted my opinion of Breitbart in a previous post, did you miss what I actually said about "the dead" Breitbart? What's weird is you apparently completely ignoring what I actually said about Breitbart, and accuse me of speaking ill via quoting something else.

No. I said very plainly what I thought about Breitbart. It's in the post above the one where you are creating some magical weirdness out of thin air. I don't need your magical secret weirdness. I said plainly what I thought of the guy.

I'm not interested in a back and forth. I don't even care about Breitbart. Don't know him, didn't follow him, though I really appreciated that he helped expose ACORN.

I just find it weird, and slightly funny, the stuff you are posting. You are like a carbon copy of Breitbart.. except on the opposite spectrum of political idea's, and nobody cares what you say, compared to all the followers Breitbart had.

Danzig 03-02-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 842551)
in a similar vein, did anyone notice that joe arpaio has concluded that he can't rule out obama's long form was faked?

I wonder what it's like living inside that kind of insanity bubble. i imagine it's cramped and smells like cat pee but who knows?

idiocy. he's one of many out there who just know, KNOW, it's all a big conspiracy. sad and ridiculous.

Clip-Clop 03-02-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 842376)
http://www.americablog.com/2012/03/a...-kennedys.html

With the death this morning of conservative activist Andrew Breitbart, and the inevitable debate over whether it's ever appropriate to speak ill of the dead, this quote of Breitbart's, about Senator Ted Kennedy's death, comes to mind. From Michael Calderone at Politico:

Andrew Breitbart, a Washington Times columnist who oversees Breitbart.com and BigHollywood.com, tapped into the anti-Kennedy vein in the hours after the senator’s death was announced, posting a series of Twitter messages in which he called Kennedy a “villain,” a “duplicitous bastard” and a “prick.”

"I'm more than willing to go off decorum to ensure THIS MAN is not beatified,” Breitbart wrote. “Sorry, he destroyed lives. And he knew it."

TK killed someone. Period.

Coach Pants 03-02-2012 09:55 AM

Don't speak ill of the head.

Clip-Clop 03-02-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 842594)
Don't speak ill of the head.

:tro: Well played sir.

Riot 03-02-2012 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 842568)
How about the ACORN sting - did that not really happen as depicted on the video?

No, it did not. Breitbart was found a serial liar on that one, and cobbled that video together. As he did with Shirley Sherrod.

Breitbart lied, and ruined lives. He was a dangerous and useless man.

Quote:

The left is upset because, in Breitbart, they actually had to deal with some of the "in your face" tactics they employ against the right.
:D Victimhood delusion is strictly a far right wingnut thing.

I'm enjoying watching the current implosion of the John Birch Society/current Republican Party incarnation. Good riddance to hate, bigotry, prejudice, big government, theocracy. These things have cycles. Thank god this cycle of hate is ending. It's the only way the former GOP can retake it's party from the wingnuts, and become a political force again, in time for 2016.

Riot 03-02-2012 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 842580)
I'm not interested in a back and forth. I don't even care about Breitbart. Don't know him, didn't follow him, though I really appreciated that he helped expose ACORN.

I just find it weird, and slightly funny, the stuff you are posting. You are like a carbon copy of Breitbart.. except on the opposite spectrum of political idea's, and nobody cares what you say, compared to all the followers Breitbart had.

First, what you are discussing is indeed my post, but are not my words. I wish you'd read the links before you post so you don't misassume.

Secondly, no. I am not "a carbon copy of Breitbart". I have spent my life in medicine, helping people, and then animals; not lying and attempting to destroy lives and careers with hate and lies. We're kinda the exact opposite.

I say the same thing about people after they die, as I did when they were alive. Suddenly being dead doesn't change what they were. And Breitbart was a true scumbag.

I do feel sorry for his family, his wife and kids, and any friends he had. But yes, I'm damn glad he's off the political scene. He was a horror of a liar and destroyer.

Riot 03-02-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 842551)
in a similar vein, did anyone notice that joe arpaio has concluded that he can't rule out obama's long form was faked?

I wonder what it's like living inside that kind of insanity bubble. i imagine it's cramped and smells like cat pee but who knows?

Don't knock Joe's 90-minute-press conference to reveal newfound info regarding Obama's birth certificate, that didn't reveal any suddenly found new results other than the same old half-azzed conspiracy craziness. He's personally forcing Arizona into the Dem column. Just say, "Thanks, Sherrif Joe! - keep up the crazy, dude!"


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