conservatives vs women
 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...backfire_.html


below is the article referenced above, discussing girl scouts.




http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...nization_.html

here's the article about the politician who says:

'Radical' Girl Scouts out to destroy 'American family values'

By NBC News and msnbc.com staff
There's an agenda behind those cookies the Girl Scouts sell, one bent on promoting communism, lesbianism and subverting "traditional American family values," according to an Indiana lawmaker.

That's the reason Rep. Bob Morris, a Republican representing Fort Wayne, insists he won't go along with a resolution meant to honor the Girls Scouts on the organization's 100th anniversary.



http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-family-values

http://www.journalgazette.net/articl...29962/-1/blogs


oh, and here's the letter he wrote.

wow

I will continue to purchase the "samoa" cookies despite the threat of communism.:D

ah yes, those and thin mints. mmmmm mmmm.

I'm giving up Girl Scout Cookies for lent but will still buy several boxes and give them to the priests who hear my confessions for using contraceptives and having pre-marital sex as many times as possible. :zz:

Santourm or Barrack ? What do you do?
Do you vote for the guy who ended the war in Iraq, Afghanastan, got Osama seemed to have stabilized the sinking economy or do you simply vote Santourm becuase he is not Obama?

I stay home.

Santourum isn't as dangerous as the Muslim Brotherhood but still from the same family.

BTW we're still in Afghanistan and also in Iraq.

And he didn't stabilize anything

Talk to us about the stock market rally and jobless numbers. What is your take on them

IMO The stock market is not a very good indicator of the US economy overall.

The Jobless number is not as important as the overall jobs number unless considering the liability of endless unemployment benefits.

What truly worries me and should worry everyone is not so much the President's failure at cutting the deficit by half during his term as he promised but rather increasing it, each and every year and especially when compared to GDP.

So basically pick and choose whatever you like to discredit Obama.. Ok.. If Obama was a republican I am sure you would say that most of the deficiet was already set in motion by his predecessor but of course you will disagree with me since we are talking hypothetical and you will also pick and choose your hypoththeticals to discredit Obama. Who was the last Democrat you voted for after leaving college?

Tammy Duckworth

before that Paul Simon

I've never voted for a Dem for President but have voted for an independent and a green party candidate. Perot and Nader.

Look I just want government, whether it be the left or right out of virtually everything other than protecting us from attack.

so.....
today the virginia ledge passed a bill requiring women to get an ultrasound before getting an abortion. at least they changed from the invasive one they'd originally written. yeah, some progress. the rep gov expected to sign it into law.


and washington state.....judge just ruled that pharmacists can refuse to dispense certain drugs if they violate their religious beliefs. oh, that's wonderful. so, go to the counter and some guy doesn't do his job because of his personal opinion, so now he can refuse YOU because of HIS opinions. fantfreakingtastic!! look, if people have beliefs and opinions, great-but why are they allowed to affect someone else and someone else's life because of something they believe? so, if i worked at mcdonalds, and i told some fatass they didn't need a big mac, do you think i'd get fired? i bet i would. but if it's a religious belief, it would be quite all right.
what bs.

:tro:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/22/op...=1&ref=opinion


Mullah Rick, who has turned prayer into a career move, told ABC News’s Jake Tapper that he disagreed with the 1965 Supreme Court decision striking down a ban on contraception. And, in October, he insisted that contraception is “not O.K. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”



'Why is it that Republicans don’t want government involved when it comes to the economy (opposing the auto bailouts) but do want government involved when it comes to telling people how to live their lives? '


well, maureen, that's a good question!

:tro: For some, "religious freedom" means they get to push their religion on others. They forget that others are also entitled to freedom from their religion being shoved down their maws.

It's a start ... the ultrasound bill is still around, unfortunately.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ound_laws.html


excellent piece! martha is spot on with her writing. the stance that many ultra-rights are taking is absolutely ridiculous. i cannot believe that at this time in our existence, we're still having to fight for the right to control our bodies!!
my two grandmothers had 21 children. one had 14, the other 7. not sure if they had any other pregnancies to go along with those kids. i can't imagine having that many kids, or that at my age i could still be having them-but knowing my family, it's entirely conceivable. how different our lives would be if tony and i had had a huge family. i have no doubt that many others could say the same. i am so glad that we could control that-it's something we take for granted, and it's an ability many aren't able to have. i am amazed that there are those who would take that away if they could.

One ultrasound bill spiked, but its twin poised to pass.

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/02/one-...in-poised-pass

I can't believe it's 2012, and women are struggling anew to keep their rights against the wishes of idiotic old white men.

Geeshus cripes.

And Santorum today, his rant about religion and government? He's nothing but a Mullah. What a theocratic, dangerous religious loon.

The rest of the world is laughing at us. No wonder we can't drag this country into the 21st century with the rest of the first world, we have too many people in our own country trying to drag us back to the 1700's.

Took a poke at JFK's separation of church and state, said it was a crackpot statement...:zz:

The only trouble is, Santorum isn't a very good Catholic. The Catholic church believes in helping the poor, and healthcare for everyone.

..

"I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.
For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew— or a Quaker or a Unitarian or a Baptist. It was Virginia’s harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson’s statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril."- JFK

Ah, Santorum- offended, as always, by religious liberty.

Santorum also said he does not believe in an America where the separation of church and state is "absolute."

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country," said Santorum. "This is the First Amendment. The First Amendment says the free exercise of religion. That means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square.

so...what church is 'the church'???


and yes, rick, there should be no involvement in the operation of the state. i'd hate to see how the state would be should old rick get his wish and impose the views of his church on the state. thank goodness there is separation between the two!!

so glad this bozo has no shot.

..

We in the United States, above all, must remember that lesson, for we were founded as a nation of openness to people of all beliefs. And so we must remain. Our very unity has been strengthened by our pluralism. We establish no religion in this country, we command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are, and must remain, separate.

- Ronald Reagan


:tro::tro:

Parker: Obama, Santorum sharing the same prayer.
 

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/o...pr-ar-1717871/

the candidates are trying so hard to be ultra-rightist...well, in santorums case, he IS far right-in order to win the nomination.

however, anyone other than romney really has no shot vs obama. they're too far out of the mainstream. the republican party will cease to exist as a viable party if their only real reaction to the democrats is to become more conservative.
romney is more centrist-but he may not get the nomination. really probably no big loss.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._freedom_.html


Sick to His Stomach
John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech on religious freedom gives Rick Santorum a bellyache—it shouldn’t.
By David Greenberg|Posted Monday, Feb. 27, 2012, at 12:39 PM ET

VA Republicans..
 

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/o...si-ar-1720572/

the potomac river might as well be the size of the grand canyon, with the political gulf yawning between virginia and neighboring maryland. md's governor about to sign gay marriage into law in annapolis thursday, while the old dominion state tries to force ultrasounds on those damned pesky, uppity virginia women. what would jefferson, madison, henry, lee and others say?

Yeah but those damned pesky, uppity virginia women should be forced to place an aspirin between their knees, even if they are being raped..

And in VA we can go packing to our favorite saloon and protect ourselves..
and we can purchase more than one gun a month...what!...what ordinary citizen needs to buy more than one gun a month...wtf sense does that make.
I'd move to NC but they don't allow on-line betting...and gas is a dime more there...

About as much as limiting women to one abortion a month. I mean who needs more than one abortion a month?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._old_one_.html


this is a new article on slate about the amended virginia ultrasound requirement. good article with great points made about doctors, their patients-and politicians who are trying to tell doctors how to do their job.

the last paragraph (and OH, the irony!) :

There is a debate raging now about whether it was a mistake for critics to focus on the transvaginal aspect of the law, as opposed to the fact that all mandatory ultrasounds represent an impermissible incursion into a doctor’s judgment and a woman’s rights. That, I suspect, depends on what women choose to make of Gov. McDonnell, who said yesterday that he was pleased with the passage of the new ultrasound legislation because "I think women have a right to know all the right medical information before they make an informed choice.” Yet the same McDonnell has loudly objected to TSA body scans and pat-downs in airports as crossing “the line” in regard “to people’s concerns about privacy” and “beneath the dignity” of air travelers. Everyone has a right to privacy and dignity, and if the government seeks to intrude on those rights it should be able to articulate a reason. “Women don’t really know what they’re doing” isn’t a reason. It never was.

Bingo. :tro:

Thank god somebody is defending our rights and freedom!
 

The GOP, the party of big government takeover of your life. Thank you, Senate Dems!

I was talking to my father and uncle ... both lifelong, ultra conservative (in the former meaning of the word) northwest suburban Chicago staunch Republicans. The current GOP has about zero historically recognizable "Republican" ideals. It's just crazy. The John Birchers rule, like back in the late 1950's.

well, well, well...had to know that sooner or later, that old misogynist hater rush would have to visit the thread. missed the story from yesterday; happened to catch the tail end of a news segment about his new comments from today while on a treadmill at the gym.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ine-sex-videos


well, gals out there. how does it feel to know that if you use contraception and feel it should be paid for by your insurance just like they pay for all other prescrip meds, that rush thinks you're a slut? a prostitute? hell, he already calls women femiNAZIS so i guess i can't be too surprised.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/op...=1&ref=opinion


The Unfinished Fight Over Contraception
By LOUISE G. TRUBEK
Published: March 1, 2012

CAN we still be arguing about a woman’s ability to control her own fertility? Almost 50 years ago in Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court struck down state restrictions on contraception because they violated a right to privacy. But the issue has not gone away. Rick Santorum injected it into the presidential race by indicating that Griswold should be overturned so that states could ban contraception altogether. And the Senate just voted down a Republican effort to allow employers and health insurance companies to refuse coverage for contraceptives if they had moral or religious objections.



i cannot believe that we are talking about this; that a presidential candidate actually thinks contraception should be outlawed. where did this come from?? why are we moving backwards? this is outrageous and unbelievable.
it seems imo that the less popular republicans become, the further the few that are left move to the right. which in turn leads to even less popularity! rick santorum is a loony. a LOONY.