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outofthebox 02-11-2012 03:49 PM

Baffert uncorked another one!
 
Bodemeister the Empire Maker colt just uncorked a maiden field in 1:34 2/5.

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 04:05 PM

Huge maiden win! Empire Maker and the 2nd dam was a deep closing multiple Graded Stakes winning router by A. P. Indy out of a Roberto mare.

Pletcher and Baffert have the market almost cornered so far this winter. Just imagine if Alpha and Out of Bounds went to Dubai like they would have in winters past.

RockHardTen1985 02-11-2012 04:58 PM

That was scary good. I bet the other Baffert. Dougie, whats Baffert doing with big $$$ Lapentas? Zito been cut?

RolloTomasi 02-11-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 837953)
Huge maiden win! Empire Maker and the 2nd dam was a deep closing multiple Graded Stakes winning router by A. P. Indy out of a Roberto mare.

Pletcher and Baffert have the market almost cornered so far this winter. Just imagine if Alpha and Out of Bounds went to Dubai like they would have in winters past.

Sire made 8 total career starts. Dam made 4 total starts (all at 2, and all in stakes races), was scratched from the BC Juvenile Fillies for a throat issue, yet never started again. She's been retired since 2007 but I think this is her first foal.

Welter Weight better moved to the grass to get some relief.

hockey2315 02-11-2012 05:25 PM

I thought the Street Sense at AQU was impressive as well. . . crazy late run - granted, early pace was fairly quick. 89 Beyer. . .

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 05:42 PM

This Beyer should come back sensational for Bodemeister. It's got a very good shot to be as high as a 105 if they don't play games with it.

Three dirt routes at SA Today:

*Bodemeister wins by 9+ lengths over two of the most hyped up maidens of the meet by the press and on HRTV in race #3. 1:34.45

* All My Chips wins by 4+ lengths with a dream trip in a race where the Beyer par is a 78. All My Chips won with a 73 Beyer last out. 1:44.16 for 8.5 furlongs. The time is like 32 Beyer points slower than Bodemeister's race 30 minutes earlier.

* Tizpat wins at 12/1 in 1:38.52 -- it would be pretty hard to keep this race under a 60. The time is like 42 Beyer points slower than Bodemesiter's race.


Bodemesiter only ran an 82 Beyer in his career debut in Jan...but that was at 5.5 furlongs. The Empire Maker on the top and the A P. Indy/Roberto up close on the bottom combined with the easy loose early lead went a long way in explaining the explosion.

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 837982)
I thought the Street Sense at AQU was impressive as well. . . crazy late run - granted, early pace was fairly quick. 89 Beyer. . .

That race got an 89? A bit surprised it was that high.

asudevil 02-11-2012 05:52 PM

Loaded!! And there's more coming....

freddymo 02-11-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 837989)
Loaded!! And there's more coming....

Really I will bite..or are you being watched by the man?

blackthroatedwind 02-11-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 837982)
I thought the Street Sense at AQU was impressive as well. . . crazy late run - granted, early pace was fairly quick. 89 Beyer. . .

He sure got an education in his debut.

Ocala Mike 02-11-2012 08:05 PM

Baffert uncorked another one!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 837994)
He sure got an education in his debut.

Yes, a major key race.


Ocala Mike

Linny 02-11-2012 08:18 PM

Bodemeister was close to a fast pace at 5.5 in his debut despite a plodders pedigree. He went sub 24 for each fraction today. High cruising speed.

Chad's runner at AQU was greener that the "grass" on the infield but looks to have talent coming out of what looks like the deepest GP MSW of the winter. If he'd changed leads and stayed straight he'd have won by ten.

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 837982)
I thought the Street Sense at AQU was impressive as well. . . crazy late run - granted, early pace was fairly quick. 89 Beyer. . .

This Beyer has to be an error.

The race went 1:45.20 for 8f and 70 yards and got an 89. The NY Bred 3yo stakes race went 1:43.87 at the same distance and got an 81.

Look at how absurd the figures look for this race...


hockey2315 02-11-2012 08:26 PM

Ya looks like it. . . runner-up is pretty awful, but I was still visually impressed.

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 838023)
Chad's runner at AQU was greener that the "grass" on the infield but looks to have talent coming out of what looks like the deepest GP MSW of the winter. If he'd changed leads and stayed straight he'd have won by ten.

There have been a few MSW's at GP that I would say were a lot deeper than that race.

The Thunder Moccasin maiden race for instance ... the top four finishers from there are a combined 5-for-5 since...and the winner took a Graded Stakes race at 1-to-5 odds next out.

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 838030)
Ya looks like it. . . runner-up is pretty awful, but I was still visually impressed.

Race #1 went 1/5th of a second faster at the same distance and got a 70 Beyer.

The race is cut loose from the entire card. I just assume this was a case of whoever did the figures mixing the distances up for one race ... I assume he did the figure for that maiden race at 8.5 furlongs instead of the correct distance of 8f and 70 yards.

That fig should be no higher than a 70 tops.

blackthroatedwind 02-11-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 837988)
That race got an 89? A bit surprised it was that high.

I almost wonder if that's a misprint, as if that is the fig, they completely broke the race out, and how does it match for the runners-up?

I see it in Formulator, and will look into it tomorrow, but without an explanation, it is either a misprint, or hard to understand at face value.

Linny 02-11-2012 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838031)
There have been a few MSW's at GP that I would say were a lot deeper than that race.

The Thunder Moccasin maiden race for instance ... the top four finishers from there are a combined 5-for-5 since...and the winner took a Graded Stakes race at 1-to-5 odds next out.

I did too many tracks today. I was thinking Street Life came out of that race. I stand corrcected. He exited the race Good Morning Diva was in and raced only a short time after that runner won back. Agreed, the Thunder Moccasin race was the best of the GP meet.

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 838047)
I almost wonder if that's a misprint, as if that is the fig, they completely broke the race out, and how does it match for the runners-up?

I see it in Formulator, and will look into it tomorrow, but without an explanation, it is either a misprint, or hard to understand at face value.

Yep. Only thing I can think of is that the figure maker accidently took the final time and applied it to 8.5 furlongs instead of 8f and 70 yards.

I've made mistakes like this before.

cmorioles 02-12-2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838050)
Yep. Only thing I can think of is that the figure maker accidently took the final time and applied it to 8.5 furlongs instead of 8f and 70 yards.

I've made mistakes like this before.


I'm guessing 69 instead of 89, just a typo when entering the number. Surely they have things like you mention automated by now.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 838055)
I'm guessing 69 instead of 89, just a typo when entering the number. Surely they have things like you mention automated by now.

You're right. It wouldn't add up if they used 8.5f.

blackthroatedwind 02-12-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 838055)
I'm guessing 69 instead of 89, just a typo when entering the number. Surely they have things like you mention automated by now.

Exactly right....69. Typo.

Calzone Lord 02-12-2012 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 837987)
This Beyer should come back sensational for Bodemeister. It's got a very good shot to be as high as a 105.

Three dirt routes at SA Today:

*Bodemeister wins by 9+ lengths over two of the most hyped up maidens of the meet by the press and on HRTV in race #3. 1:34.45

* All My Chips wins by 4+ lengths with a dream trip in a race where the Beyer par is a 78. All My Chips won with a 73 Beyer last out. 1:44.16 for 8.5 furlongs. The time is like 32 Beyer points slower than Bodemeister's race 30 minutes earlier.

* Tizpat wins at 12/1 in 1:38.52 -- it would be pretty hard to keep this race under a 60. The time is like 42 Beyer points slower than Bodemesiter's race.


Bodemesiter only ran an 82 Beyer in his career debut in Jan...but that was at 5.5 furlongs. The Empire Maker on the top and the A P. Indy/Roberto up close on the bottom combined with the easy loose early lead went a long way in explaining the explosion.

Only a 99 for the Bodemeister race with all of those mega hyped 2nd time starters.

The horse who won the next race went backwards 7 points off his last figure despite a perfect trip win at 5/1 odds.



The 12/1 third-time starter who won the days other route barely improved at all and the 2nd place went backwards significantly.


cmorioles 02-12-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 838166)
Only a 99 for the Bodemeister race with all of those mega hyped 2nd time starters.

I tend to think 99 is too low as well.

Catergory5 02-18-2012 05:48 PM

Uncorks 2 more today at SA-

Paynter in the 5th and Mambo Kimbo in the 6th.

Calzone Lord 04-14-2012 06:34 PM

This figure today for Bodemeister is going to be sensationally fast as well.

He got the same exact loose lead trip that he had in his maiden win where he got the chiseled down looking figure of 99 that could have more easily been a 105.

Oaklawn Park Handicap: 1:49.94 (Alternation by 2.5 lengths over last out SA Handicap winner Ron The Greek)

Ark Derby: 1:48.71 (Bodemeister by 9.5 lengths over Secret Circle)


Bodemeister will get a figure today 12 points faster than Alternation. 15 points faster than Secret Circle and 16 points faster than Ron The Greek.

Alternation was coming in off of back-to-back 100's. Secret Circle was coming in off of a 92 and 102. Ron The Greek was coming in off of a breakaway speed duel aided 105 and didn't get pace help today.

The sheet style numbers will continue to look great for Secret Circle because he carried 122lbs VS 117-to-118 for the other three horses (abt 1.75 lengths in weight on sheets) and he raced 3-to-4 wide on both turns...but he badly needs a freshening and has no shot of getting any piece in the Derby with these same wide-stalking back trips.

Thunder Gulch 04-14-2012 07:27 PM

105 is the Beyer. Seems a bit light again.

Calzone Lord 04-14-2012 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 852671)
105 is the Beyer. Seems a bit light again.

93 for older horses in the Oaklawn Park Handicap? If you do his maiden win right it's a 105.

RolloTomasi 04-14-2012 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 852671)
105 is the Beyer. Seems a bit light again.

You can't really compare them directly because of distance, I suppose, but the horse that won the 8f Northern Dancer (beating known quantity Drill) ran as fast a mile as Bodemeister did in the Arkansas Derby.

Calzone Lord 04-14-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 852676)
You can't really compare them directly because of distance, I suppose, but the horse that won the 8f Northern Dancer (beating known quantity Drill) ran as fast a mile as Bodemeister did in the Arkansas Derby.

Oaklawn is a weirdly configured track with a down-hill stretch run.

When Curlin won the Ark Derby by 10.5 lengths his mile was 1:38.18 -- one race earlier -- a 3yo filly named Cream Only who I honestly don't even remember won a small stake race at 30/1 odds in final time of 1:38.88

When Afleet Alex won the Ark Derby by 8 lengths over 2nd place Flower Alley his mile was 1:37.06 -- $25,000 N3L Claimers went 1:37.88 at a mile on the same card.


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