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Danzig 01-24-2012 06:43 AM

obama, state of the union
 
perhaps we could have a sotu drinking game? every time the prez says 'i'll do whatever it takes' you drink a shot of bourbon.
he will unveil 'new plans' for the economy. i have a feeling it'll be the same as the old plans. he will try to show why we should give him four more years, rather than one of the repukian bozos. i wonder if he'll mention the need to raise the debt ceiling again?

jms62 01-24-2012 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 833785)
perhaps we could have a sotu drinking game? every time the prez says 'i'll do whatever it takes' you drink a shot of bourbon.
he will unveil 'new plans' for the economy. i have a feeling it'll be the same as the old plans. he will try to show why we should give him four more years, rather than one of the repukian bozos. i wonder if he'll mention the need to raise the debt ceiling again?

"We are making progress"

Coach Pants 01-24-2012 08:42 AM

"That's not right"

Commence baby rattles...err applause.

dellinger63 01-24-2012 10:44 AM

Hopefully it will finally be transparent

Jobs Bill- Let's borrow more money, go further into debt, so my Union supporters will be happy.

Environment- I declined the Keystone Pipeline because I care far more about the environmentalists than I do about any stickin job creators. Remember back three years when I said Global Warming was the biggest obstacle facing not only America but the world? I still feel that way, jobs be damned.

Economy- The debt is absolutely no concern to me so I intend to keep up the same spending seen in my first four years. Big Banks, GM, Fannie-Freddie, Goldman, and the new Solyndra's have nothing to fear. I will give you trillions more.

Danzig 01-24-2012 12:10 PM

oh, keystone will go thru. just not til after november. he doesn't care abougt the environment as much as he cares about votes.

bigrun 01-24-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833802)
Hopefully it will finally be transparent

Jobs Bill- Let's borrow more money, go further into debt, so my Union supporters will be happy.

Environment- I declined the Keystone Pipeline because I care far more about the environmentalists than I do about any steenkin job creators. Remember back three years when I said Global Warming was the biggest obstacle facing not only America but the world? I still feel that way, jobs be damned.

Economy- The debt is absolutely no concern to me so I intend to keep up the same spending seen in my first four years. Big Banks, GM, Fannie-Freddie, Goldman, and the new Solyndra's have nothing to fear. I will give you trillions more.


FTFY...

and he will say 'Stock market performance under Obama is the fifth best since the early 1900's'...

Danzig 01-24-2012 01:31 PM

and now this, on obama's first t.v. ad:

http://factcheck.org/2012/01/mislead...rst-2012-spot/

Misleading Claims in Obama’s First 2012 Spot
Dissembling on ethics, jobs and oil imports
Posted on January 20, 2012 , Corrected on January 21, 2012

Summary
President Obama’s first 2012 campaign ad misleads on ethics, “clean-energy” jobs and U.S. dependence on oil imports.

■The spot uses outdated quotes from groups that said his record on ethics is “unprecedented” and that he “kept a promise to toughen ethics rules.” One of those same groups said later that he “has let down millions of Americans who accepted his word,” and another rated his promise as “broken.”
■The 30-second TV spot also trumpets a claim of “2.7 million jobs” in “America’s clean-energy industry.” That mostly counts jobs put in place long before Obama took office.
■Finally, it boasts that U.S. dependence on foreign oil has declined to below 50 percent, as a net share of total demand, for the first time in more than a decade. That’s true, and increasing U.S. oil production is a factor (despite Republican criticisms that Obama is anti-drilling). But economists say the chief factor is reduced oil consumption, brought on by the recent economic recession.

bigrun 01-24-2012 01:43 PM

Q: Does Obama plan to deny emergency brain surgery for patients over 70?

A: No. A man claiming on a radio talk show to be a brain surgeon lied about that, and about a meeting of two associations of neurological surgeons, those associations say.


http://factcheck.org/2012/01/neurological-death-panels/

bigrun 01-24-2012 01:47 PM

Newt’s Faulty Food-Stamp Claim

Newt Gingrich claims that “more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.” He’s wrong. More were added under Bush than under Obama, according to the most recent figures

http://factcheck.org/2012/01/newts-f...d-stamp-claim/

Coach Pants 01-24-2012 01:51 PM


dellinger63 01-24-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 833828)
Newt’s Faulty Food-Stamp Claim

Newt Gingrich claims that “more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.” He’s wrong. More were added under Bush than under Obama, according to the most recent figures

http://factcheck.org/2012/01/newts-f...d-stamp-claim/


14.8 million under Bush OVER AN 8 YEAR PERIOD 1.8 million/year

14.2 million under Obama OVER A 3 YEAR PERIOD 4.7 million/year

And should Obama get elected he's on pace for 37.6 million over 8 years exceeding Bush by 22.6 million. Fact Check needs to be fact checked on this one.

Riot 01-24-2012 02:39 PM

Second Great Depression averted
American auto industry saved
Iraq war ended
bin Laden dead, Al Quaeda decimated
Two liberal Supreme Court justices
Historic health care reform initiated
Nonstop 33 months of straight GDP growth since Q1 2009
Nonstop 29 months of straight joblessness decrease since Q2 2009

Obama-Biden 2012 :tro:

Riot 01-24-2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833802)
Economy- The debt is absolutely no concern to me so I intend to keep up the same spending seen in my first four years. Big Banks, GM, Fannie-Freddie, Goldman, and the new Solyndra's have nothing to fear. I will give you trillions more.

Truth hurts, doesn't it? :)


Riot 01-24-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833836)
14.8 million under Bush OVER AN 8 YEAR PERIOD 1.8 million/year

14.2 million under Obama OVER A 3 YEAR PERIOD 4.7 million/year

And should Obama get elected he's on pace for 37.6 million over 8 years exceeding Bush by 22.6 million. Fact Check needs to be fact checked on this one.

No. You need to understand that the policies Bush put into place are still costing us trillions. The ongoing costs of the failed Bush presidency didn't magically stop the day he left office. We are still paying his war, tax and Rx drug costs today.

Obama has ended a war, had most of the bailouts paid back, given middle class tax cuts, and cut government spending across multiple departments. The truth doesn't jive with the created fantasies of the Obama haters, so they just ignore it.

dellinger63 01-24-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833838)
Truth hurts, doesn't it? :)


who colored that graph? LMAO

Does Obama have some coupons saved that he's using to pay for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan?

You do have swamp property don't you?

dellinger63 01-24-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833840)
No. You need to understand that the policies Bush put into place are still costing us trillions. The ongoing costs of the failed Bush presidency didn't magically stop the day he left office. We are still paying his war, tax and Rx drug costs today.

You need to focus. This was a response concerning food stamps.

Riot 01-24-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833843)
who colored that graph? LMAO

Does Obama have some coupons saved that he's using to pay for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan?

You do have swamp property don't you?


Riot 01-24-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833846)
You need to focus. This was a response concerning food stamps.

You need to get a grip on reality. The Freeper website hasn't helped you much <g>

dellinger63 01-24-2012 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833837)
Second Great Depression averted If it wasn't coming is it still averted?
American auto industry saved-30% loss to taxpayers
Iraq war ended (Al Quaeda back making moves 3 days later
bin Laden dead, Al Quaeda decimated :tro: Largest loss of Seals in history weeks later
Two liberal Supreme Court justices Yipee
Historic health care reform initiated socialism of medicine
Nonstop 33 months of straight GDP growth since Q1 2009 at a miniscule rate
Nonstop 29 months of straight joblessness decrease since Q2 2009 A straight out lie

Obama-Biden 2012 :tro: Hope over Common Sense Again

Factchecked

Coach Pants 01-24-2012 02:57 PM

Your reality is coming in the next few years when all of your propaganda fueled mainstream media backed horses.hit blows up in your stupid f.ucking face.

Like ol' Scott of the Jets said...


Can't wait.

Riot 01-24-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 833850)
Your reality is coming in the next few years when all of your propaganda fueled mainstream media backed horses.hit blows up in your stupid f.ucking face.

Like ol' Scott of the Jets said...


Can't wait.

Says the Paultard :D Hey, I know a couple of crazy guys just like you that live in New Mexico. Maybe I can get you into their compounds?

Riot 01-24-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833849)
Factchecked

Really? List your references.


We'll wait :)

Rudeboyelvis 01-24-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 833822)
'Stock market performance under Obama is the fifth best since the early 1900's'...

Meanwhile most technical analysts (that actually track these sort of things) anticipate his trillion dollar artificial balloon will pop and are pretty near all in agreement that we'll see 8000 again - very soon actually. Here's one:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...this-year.html

So Yay!!! We'll be back where we started, only trillions more in debt!! 4 more years!!! He's Great!!! Who else could pull off this amazing feat and still manage to squeeze in 140 rounds of golf a year??!!

dellinger63 01-24-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833855)
Really? List your references.


We'll wait :)

Don't you have a livestream to watch somewhere? Downtown Tehran perhaps? Maybe you can see a good flogging.

That WI recount thing ain't so neat anymore?

Riot 01-24-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 833857)
Don't you have a livestream to watch somewhere? Downtown Tehran perhaps? Maybe you can see a good flogging.

That WI recount thing ain't so neat anymore?

You've got nothing. Okay.

Coach Pants 01-24-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833851)
Says the Paultard :D Hey, I know a couple of crazy guys just like you that live in New Mexico. Maybe I can get you into their compounds?

Compounds won't work. Especially ones like your friends have that are already exposed through OpSec.

You're just not very good with common sense and basic math. No form of propaganda-fueled statistics and msm articles will hide the reality that we're statistically in the early stages of a global economic collapse.

And no, changing the political affiliation of the POTUS the past 3 years hasn't fixed the problems.

You conveniently overlook the most important part of economic statistics...

the banks are holding over 100 trillion in derivatives. No band-aid, bailout, or prayer is going to save us from the implications of that debt.

But keep pratce.

Riot 01-24-2012 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 833859)
the banks are holding over 100 trillion in derivatives. No band-aid, bailout, or prayer is going to save us from the implications of that debt.
.

Well aware of that, thanks.

Your solution: go buy some more ammo and canned food.

My solution: try and attenuate that.

dellinger63 01-24-2012 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833858)
You've got nothing. Okay.

No actually the President's got nothing but a record of supporting large corporations and banks. I'm sure he's glad the Occupy thing is dead

Coach Pants 01-24-2012 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833862)
Well aware of that, thanks.

Your solution: go buy some more ammo and canned food.

My solution: try and attenuate that.

You are supporting more derivatives, idiot. Simply supporting Obama makes this so. Are you really this f.ucking dense or is it a complex troll?

Wake up, for f.ucks sakes. Goldman Sachs has the keys to the White House. Make sense for once.

dellinger63 01-24-2012 03:22 PM

One of the few things if only thing Barney Frank ever said worth repeating, "Mam arguing with you is like arguing with a kitchen table."

Clip-Clop 01-24-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 833864)
You are supporting more derivatives, idiot. Simply supporting Obama makes this so. Are you really this f.ucking dense or is it a complex troll?

Wake up, for f.ucks sakes. Goldman Sachs has the keys to the White House. Make sense for once.

Wasting your time.

Antitrust32 01-24-2012 03:52 PM

Riot, I kind of feel bad for you.

Thinking Obama has done a good job is exactly the same as thinking G. W. Bush did a good job.

bigrun 01-24-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833837)
Second Great Depression averted
American auto industry saved
Iraq war ended
bin Laden dead, Al Quaeda decimated
Two liberal Supreme Court justices
Historic health care reform initiated
Nonstop 33 months of straight GDP growth since Q1 2009
Nonstop 29 months of straight joblessness decrease since Q2 2009

Obama-Biden 2012 :tro:


Wow, that's enough for me...I was on the fence even thinking of voting for whichever repuketard emeges...this fact based report set me straight...:tro::tro:

bigrun 01-24-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 833871)
Riot, I kind of feel bad for you.

Thinking Obama has done a good job is exactly the same as thinking G. W. Bush did a good job.



I beg your pardon...G Dumya Bush did a great job....of wrecking our great country....:tro:

Antitrust32 01-24-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 833875)
I beg your pardon...G Dumya Bush did a great job....of wrecking our great country....:tro:

yes and his partner in crime, Odumya, has done a great job keeping those policies in place and even adding to it!

Riot 01-24-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 833864)
You are supporting more derivatives, idiot. Simply supporting Obama makes this so. Are you really this f.ucking dense or is it a complex troll?

Wake up, for f.ucks sakes. Goldman Sachs has the keys to the White House. Make sense for once.

Your man wants to collapse the world with his gold and silver standard. Some prefer to try and not let that happen.

Nobody is denying there are sand castles.

bigrun 01-24-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 833877)
yes and his partner in crime, Odumya, has done a great job keeping those policies in place and even adding to it!


Right, Obama needs to invade Iran to match dumya's folly...where's Darth Vader when you need him...

Cannon Shell 01-24-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833837)
Second Great Depression averted laughable
American auto industry savedOnly a moron would beliee this
Iraq war ended YAH!!!
bin Laden dead, Al Quaeda decimatedI'm sure Obama was directly responsible for this
Two liberal Supreme Court justicesThis is good? I though you werent a liberal?
Historic health care reform initiated Historically bad
Nonstop 33 months of straight GDP growth since Q1 2009It had hit rock bottom and had nowhere to go but up
Nonstop 29 months of straight joblessness decrease since Q2 2009joblessness decrease? lol

Obama-Biden 2012 :tro:

This is some platform...

Riot 01-24-2012 08:50 PM

Well ... Obama has successfully neutered every single Mitt false talking point. He's stolen all the Republican ideas and offered solutions. He's dared the GOP to continue obstruction at their own peril. He's poured truth after truth on Republican lies (about regulation, etc).

No wonder Cantor and Boehner are looking so sour, and not even applauding "jobs for Americans" (and sitting on their hands is gonna look really bad in their re-election campaign ads)

His best SOTU ever - tons of action items in this speech. Well done, Mr. President. You threw it back in the obstructionist GOP's lap, and left them hanging.

And Boehner is actually frowning at "no bank bailouts ever again" LOL ! Boehner frowning at free capitalism.

Danzig 01-24-2012 08:51 PM

just left the dinner meeting our securities advisor has every so often with all his clients.
anyone know what tax cuts expired end of '11? anyone want to guess what ends in '12? dems want tax increases? well, they're on the way! business expenses? won't be able to claim like businesses used to, dropping even further after '13. depreciation? soon out the door. bottom tax bracket of 10%? soon to be extinct like the dodo. medicare taxes increasing. of course i'm sure all of that only will affect the top 1% :rolleyes: well, no it won't!!


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