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Riot 01-17-2012 05:57 PM

Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker
 
It's not a good thing to campaign on austerity, then go ahead and needlessly bust unions who have agreed to your austerity measures. Many, many Wisconsin citizens are that upset with this Governor and his legislature. Citizens have been awakened, and are standing up for owning their own democracy, taking it back from politicians.



Quote:

Madison - Democrats and organizers filed petitions Tuesday afternoon with more than a million signatures as they sought to force a recall election against Gov. Scott Walker - a massive number that seems to cement a historic recall election against him for later this year.

It would mark the first such gubernatorial recall in state history and would be only the third gubernatorial recall election in U.S. history. Organizers Tuesday also handed in 845,000 signatures against Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch as well as petitions against four GOP state senators including Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald of Juneau.

The sheer number of signatures being filed against Walker - nearly as many as the total votes cast for the governor in November 2010 and almost twice as many as those needed to trigger a recall election - ensure the election will be held, said officials with the state Democratic Party and United Wisconsin, the group that launched the Walker recall.

"It is beyond legal challenge," said Ryan Lawler, vice chairman of United Wisconsin.

Walker, who was raising campaign money in New York City on Tuesday, declined an interview but released a statement saying he looked forward to talking to voters about how he had eliminated a $3 billion budget deficit over two years without leaning heavily on tax increases.

Walker was scheduled to hold a New York City fundraiser Tuesday afternoon hosted by Maurice Greenberg, the founder of financial services corporation American International Group, according to a copy of the fundraising solicitation posted on the website of the New York Daily News.

Continued ....

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...137489833.html

nebrady 01-17-2012 07:08 PM

Bunch of crybabies!
 
Lets tell the truth about these socalled recallers! First of all they are a bunch of crybabies. They didn't win the election so their precious little train was derailed and now their mad. The train would have been a financial disaster. Props to walker stopping the stupid money train. Second this recall is a joke! It will cost the state 9 million. If they really cared about the state, they would wait 4 years for an election and quit crying. Third its not walker's fault that he had to made hard decisions to balance a deficit that has been growing because doyle a democrat didn't have the nerve to try to do anything about! Lastly the people who should be recalled are the democrats who ran out of the state because they didn't agree with the process. Plus props for walker to break up these to powerful unions who have spent money to overturn a fair election. In the end walker will win this dumbass recall because people in wisconsin will see that he is doing the job he was elected to do!

Clip-Clop 01-18-2012 10:26 AM

This is what will happen to any Gov. trying to prevent their state from becoming NJ (prior to Christie) and leaving them with no other options than Christie like action to prevent them from dying. The prior administrations in NJ were so in the pocket of the unions there was nothing he could do. Walkers measures look more preventative than reactionary, as Christie's were. He could (still?) save the state from a fate like NJ.

travelling_vic 01-18-2012 10:27 AM

throw the fascist bum out.

good old Snot Walker implemented the rightie mantra and is going to pay dearly for it.

Cannon Shell 01-18-2012 11:08 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1007885

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/g...icle-1.1007800

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/c...icle-1.1007798


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/g...icle-1.1007796

Funny Gov Cuomo is doing many of the same things in NY that Walker did in WI yet where is the outcry? Where are the marches? Where is the outrage?

Coach Pants 01-18-2012 11:12 AM

Well he's got a D by his name. What do you expect from good slaves?

Danzig 01-18-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 832312)
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1007885

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/g...icle-1.1007800

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/c...icle-1.1007798


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/g...icle-1.1007796

Funny Gov Cuomo is doing many of the same things in NY that Walker did in WI yet where is the outcry? Where are the marches? Where is the outrage?

how much greater the sin when another commits it.

wiphan 01-18-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832201)
It's not a good thing to campaign on austerity, then go ahead and needlessly bust unions who have agreed to your austerity measures. Many, many Wisconsin citizens are that upset with this Governor and his legislature. Citizens have been awakened, and are standing up for owning their own democracy, taking it back from politicians.


Wow! They got a million signatures. That is incredible. Just wait to see the fraud that will be exposed with these signatures. It is going to be very interesting. The people collecting these signatures had no boundaries and no ethics. They showed up at a local function where we took our kids to see Santa and his reindeer. You should have seen the looks they got. Fortunately they realized that no one wanted them there and they left within 20 mins. They will have enough to force a recall election at the tune of $9+ million in wasted tax payer money.

So what is going to happen when Walker wins again?

Ocala Mike 01-18-2012 01:41 PM

Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832334)

So what is going to happen when Walker wins again?

A recount!


Ocala Mike

wiphan 01-18-2012 01:43 PM

:tro:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 832335)
A recount!


Ocala Mike

Nice. The silent majority of WI will speak again and walker will win!

Ocala Mike 01-18-2012 01:52 PM

Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker
 
Yeah, I guess 900,000 or so of those signatures were phony, right?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Put a fork in Walker.


Ocala Mike

wiphan 01-18-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 832338)
Yeah, I guess 900,000 or so of those signatures were phony, right?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Put a fork in Walker.


Ocala Mike

Just because you can get enough people to sign a recall petition with no proof of age, residency, etc doesn't mean that they will actually show up and vote, never mind the fact that more people voted for Walker than signed the recall petition. Good luck. I think this spells doom for the democrats when they lose. Nationally the democratic party didn't want this, but the unions fought for it and they had no choice. Should be fun....

dagolfer33 01-18-2012 02:36 PM

I surmise by the thread starter this bum is a republican right??? This just seems like more partisan politics from Riot. :rolleyes:

dellinger63 01-18-2012 02:45 PM

This guy is the first politician from either party to put the taxpayer's interest ahead of the patronage army known as the Public Sector workforce.

Riot can't handle the truth. At least not the truth about employment numbers in WI.

Walker will win by a larger margin the second time around.

Guaranteed!!!

wiphan 01-18-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 832351)
This guy is the first politician from either party to put the taxpayer's interest ahead of the patronage army known as the Public Sector workforce.

Riot can't handle the truth. At least not the truth about employment numbers in WI.

Walker will win by a larger margin the second time around.

Guaranteed!!!

Hopefully Barrett runs against him. This bill board is along I-94 heading into Milwaukee

Attachment 1883

dellinger63 01-18-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832354)
Hopefully Barrett runs against him. This bill board is along I-94 heading into Milwaukee

Attachment 1883

awesome but how true. Milwaukee could even save millions more if only they'd get out of their teachers' healthcare plan with the union, like most of the rest of the State, who already did and are already saving millions.

Riot 01-18-2012 03:46 PM

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...137489833.html

Recall expert Joshua Spivak, a senior fellow at the Hugh L. Carey Institute for Government Reform at Wagner College in New York, said that, including state Senate recalls from last year, no state in American history has held as many recall elections for state office as Wisconsin seems set to have in 2011 and 2012.

"Wisconsin is really, completely a total anomaly," Spivak said.

In the two other recall elections for governors in history, California Gov. Gray Davis was defeated in 2003 and North Dakota Gov. Lynn Frazier was defeated in 1921.

Spivak said the signatures for Walker are almost certain to hold up. To force a recall election against Walker and Kleefisch, 540,208 valid signatures are needed for each - a figure equivalent to 25% of all the votes cast in the November 2010 election that put Walker in office.

Democrats said they submitted almost as many signatures as the votes that Walker received - 1,128,900 votes, or 52.3% of the vote in 2010 - and about the same amount as his unsuccessful Democratic opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who got 1,004,300 votes, or 46.5%.

The 1 million signatures amount to about one-third of the 3.3 million registered voters in the state
and one-quarter of the 4.4 million Wisconsin residents eligible to vote.

Riot 01-18-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 832348)
I surmise by the thread starter this bum is a republican right??? This just seems like more partisan politics from Riot. :rolleyes:

The bum is a Republican, yes. A man who campaigned saying one thing, then did another. The wholly-owned political puppet of the Koch Brothers, working only to try and pass the ALEC agenda. A sad man who, on the day a historic number of recall petitions were submitted against him, was in New York begging for more out-of-state money - half of Walker's financial support for his recall comes from out of town - from the former head of the disgraced AIG to support his recall fight.

Riot 01-18-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832334)
Wow! They got a million signatures. That is incredible. Just wait to see the fraud that will be exposed with these signatures. It is going to be very interesting.

What percentage of signatures do you think will be disallowed from the Walker recall petitions?

(Walker recall only, not the five other recalls also submitted. Not the Republican Senate majority leader Fitzgerald, the three other Republican state senators under recall now, or Lt. Governor Klefish now under recall too)

I'll guess, based upon the massive pre-vetting they did as signatures collected, and before they were turned into the GAB, less than 5% will be disallowed, probably more like 1-3%

What is your guess?

Riot 01-18-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 832351)
Riot can't handle the truth. At least not the truth about employment numbers in WI.

You are the one maintaining, with no proof, that the Federal Labor Bureau's and Census Bureau's job statistics in Wisconsin are false. Not me.

wiphan 01-18-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832375)
What percentage of signatures do you think will be disallowed from the Walker recall petitions?

(Walker recall only, not the five other recalls also submitted. Not the Republican Senate majority leader Fitzgerald, the three other Republican state senators under recall now, or Lt. Governor Klefish now under recall too)

I'll guess, based upon the massive pre-vetting they did as signatures collected, and before they were turned into the GAB, less than 5% will be disallowed, probably more like 1-3%

What is your guess?

I will take the over on 5%

wiphan 01-18-2012 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832372)
The bum is a Republican, yes. A man who campaigned saying one thing, then did another. The wholly-owned political puppet of the Koch Brothers, working only to try and pass the ALEC agenda. A sad man who, on the day a historic number of recall petitions were submitted against him, was in New York begging for more out-of-state money - half of Walker's financial support for his recall comes from out of town - from the former head of the disgraced AIG to support his recall fight.

Where does the money come from those that support the recall?

BTW- Firefighters union just announced that they will stand behind and support Govenor Walker

wiphan 01-18-2012 04:42 PM

[quote=Riot;832201]It's not a good thing to campaign on austerity, then go ahead and needlessly bust unions who have agreed to your austerity measures. Many, many Wisconsin citizens are that upset with this Governor and his legislature. Citizens have been awakened, and are standing up for owning their own democracy, taking it back from politicians.

[quote]

Actually I would like to annouce today that the Citizens of WI would like to recall the GIANTS! I do not like the result of the Packers/Giants game last Sunday. I would like to file a recall petition with the NFL and force them into another NFC Divisional Playoff game on the grounds that I am unhappy with the outcome and the fact that my team lost. When you see the recall petition please make sure you sign it as many times as you wish, have your children sign it (no need to worry if they are of voting age), etc so we make sure we can get enough signatures to force a new game so that we can get a different outcome.
Sincerely,

Packer Fans

Riot 01-18-2012 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832382)
I will take the over on 5%

Naw - be brave and pick a range :D No under-over.

It's recommended for any recall petition that you get 20-25% extra signatures to account for those proven invalid (see the Republican candidates not on the ballot in Virginia, for example, because they didn't do that).

They needed 520,000, they got just over a million. They vetted the signatures at collection, and by the orgs before they were turned into GAB.

The Scott Fitzgerald recall was done by a different person, on her own.

Riot 01-18-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832385)
Where does the money come from those that support the recall?

BTW- Firefighters union just announced that they will stand behind and support Govenor Walker

People think the unions were behind the recall - they supported it, but not financially. Donations came from all across the country to support the recall. But they ARE stepping up financially in the election, of course.

You bring up the point of financial contributions: whose quid pro quo should Walker be beholden to? The Koch Brothers and AIG and ALEC, or the citizens of Wisconsin?

wiphan 01-18-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832389)
Naw - be brave and pick a range :D No under-over.

It's recommended for any recall petition that you get 20-25% extra signatures to account for those proven invalid (see the Republican candidates not on the ballot in Virginia, for example, because they didn't do that).

They needed 520,000, they got just over a million. They vetted the signatures at collection, and by the orgs before they were turned into GAB.

The Scott Fitzgerald recall was done by a different person, on her own.

Over 20% will be thrown out or disallowed. That is almost 7 times more than your highest figure that you believe will be thrown out

Riot 01-18-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832392)
Over 20% will be thrown out or disallowed. That is almost 7 times more than your highest figure that you believe will be thrown out

Okay. We'll see ;) You are saying that over 200,000 signatures will be invalidated, but that the recall election will still occur. Good luck!

I say that only 10,000 to 30,000 signatures will be disallowed from the Walker petitions, no more than 50,000 max.

Dell? Nebrady? Care to step up?

wiphan 01-18-2012 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832394)
Okay. We'll see ;) You are saying that over 200,000 signatures will be invalidated, but that the recall election will still occur. Good luck!

I say that only 10,000 to 30,000 signatures will be disallowed from the Walker petitions, no more than 50,000 max.

Dell? Nebrady? Care to step up?

Would you like to sign my petition to Recall the GIANTS?

Riot 01-18-2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832395)
Would you like to sign my petition to Recall the GIANTS?

Their players union is still intact, isn't it?

I'm sorry to see that you do not apparently understand why the historic, massive recall of your governor was conducted. That's sad. It was not that Walker was elected. It's that he lied, and union-busted.

Riot 01-18-2012 05:17 PM

Union-busting. Not popular.
 
WASHINGTON -- The union representing NFL players spoke out Friday against a controversial right-to-work bill on the table in Indiana, arguing that the legislation is merely a "political ploy" that would drive down workers' wages if it became law.

"NFL players know what it means to fight for workers' rights, better pensions and health and safety in the workplace," the National Football League Players Association said in a statement. The right-to-work bill, the statement went on, is "not about jobs or rights, and it's the wrong priority for Indiana."

A union spokesperson could not immediately be reached for further comment.

The controversial bill in question would effectively turn Indiana into a "right-to-work" state, meaning workers there could not be required to pay unions dues at private companies as a condition of employment. Right-to-work laws are generally supported by business groups and opposed by labor unions, and there are now more than 20 right-to-work states in the U.S., mostly in the South and West.

The Indiana bill has broad support among the state's GOP majority in the General Assembly and Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, but unions and labor groups have rolled out an advertising campaign to fight it. Business owners and their allies argue that employees shouldn't be forced to join unions, and they claim that right-to-work laws make states more attractive to companies. Those on the left tend to argue that right-to-work laws weaken collective bargaining and drive down wages, and that workers shouldn’t be allowed to benefit from such bargaining without paying dues.

The NFLPA cited a report by the liberal Economic Policy Institute that says the right-to-work bill would lower wages for both union and non-union workers in Indiana by about $1,500 annually. The bill would also make it more difficult for workers to secure health care and a pension, the report argued. (Labor groups often refer to right-to-work laws as "right to work for less.")

Noting that the upcoming Super Bowl will be hosted by Indianapolis, the union called on Indiana lawmakers to oppose the bill. "This Super Bowl should be about celebrating the best of what Indianapolis has to offer, not about legislation that hurts the people of Indiana," the union said.

The Indiana bill is part of the larger fight between GOP lawmakers and labor groups in states throughout the country in recent months. Right-to-work legislation was pushed in a handful of states last year, notably in New Hampshire, where union leaders cheered Democratic Gov. John Lynch's veto of a right-to-work bill passed by the GOP-controlled statehouse.

The NFLPA was recertified last year as the union for NFL players, and the group soon ratified a new contract with league owners and rejoined the AFL-CIO. The union's opposition to right-to-work legislation isn't its only stance endearing it to liberals these days: Its most recent collective bargaining agreement banned discrimination against players by management due to their sexual orientation.

First Posted: 1/6/12 01:24 PM ET Updated: 1/6/12 01:55 PM ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1189577.html

wiphan 01-18-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832396)
Their players union is still intact, isn't it?

I'm sorry to see that you do not apparently understand why the historic, massive recall of your governor was conducted. That's sad. It was not that Walker was elected. It's that he lied, and union-busted.

Will it be historic when Walker wins AGAIN?

Riot 01-18-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832399)
Will it be historic when Walker wins AGAIN?

Yes, if he wins again, it will be historic. He is only the third governor in the history of this country to undergo a recall election. The last two were recalled. So if Walker is not recalled, yes, it will be historic.

Cannon Shell 01-18-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832372)
A sad man who, on the day a historic number of recall petitions were submitted against him, was in New York begging for more out-of-state money - half of Walker's financial support for his recall comes from out of town .

So this is bad?

Cannon Shell 01-18-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832390)
People think the unions were behind the recall - they supported it, but not financially. Donations came from all across the country to support the recall.

But this is ok?

Riot 01-18-2012 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 832405)
So this is bad?

Only when there is evidence that Walker serves his corporate masters by enacting their legislative agenda, in opposition to what his citizens tell him they want.

That kind of lying bull.s.h.i.t. gets you recalled. By twice the number of angry citizens needed to do so.

Cannon Shell 01-18-2012 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 832398)
WASHINGTON -- The union representing NFL players spoke out Friday against a controversial right-to-work bill on the table in Indiana, arguing that the legislation is merely a "political ploy" that would drive down workers' wages if it became law.

"NFL players know what it means to fight for workers' rights, better pensions and health and safety in the workplace," the National Football League Players Association said in a statement. The right-to-work bill, the statement went on, is "not about jobs or rights, and it's the wrong priority for Indiana."

A union spokesperson could not immediately be reached for further comment.

The controversial bill in question would effectively turn Indiana into a "right-to-work" state, meaning workers there could not be required to pay unions dues at private companies as a condition of employment. Right-to-work laws are generally supported by business groups and opposed by labor unions, and there are now more than 20 right-to-work states in the U.S., mostly in the South and West.

The Indiana bill has broad support among the state's GOP majority in the General Assembly and Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, but unions and labor groups have rolled out an advertising campaign to fight it. Business owners and their allies argue that employees shouldn't be forced to join unions, and they claim that right-to-work laws make states more attractive to companies. Those on the left tend to argue that right-to-work laws weaken collective bargaining and drive down wages, and that workers shouldn’t be allowed to benefit from such bargaining without paying dues.

The NFLPA cited a report by the liberal Economic Policy Institute that says the right-to-work bill would lower wages for both union and non-union workers in Indiana by about $1,500 annually. The bill would also make it more difficult for workers to secure health care and a pension, the report argued. (Labor groups often refer to right-to-work laws as "right to work for less.")

Noting that the upcoming Super Bowl will be hosted by Indianapolis, the union called on Indiana lawmakers to oppose the bill. "This Super Bowl should be about celebrating the best of what Indianapolis has to offer, not about legislation that hurts the people of Indiana," the union said.

The Indiana bill is part of the larger fight between GOP lawmakers and labor groups in states throughout the country in recent months. Right-to-work legislation was pushed in a handful of states last year, notably in New Hampshire, where union leaders cheered Democratic Gov. John Lynch's veto of a right-to-work bill passed by the GOP-controlled statehouse.

The NFLPA was recertified last year as the union for NFL players, and the group soon ratified a new contract with league owners and rejoined the AFL-CIO. The union's opposition to right-to-work legislation isn't its only stance endearing it to liberals these days: Its most recent collective bargaining agreement banned discrimination against players by management due to their sexual orientation.

First Posted: 1/6/12 01:24 PM ET Updated: 1/6/12 01:55 PM ET
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1189577.html

Yeah that same NLFPA that had no problem shedding the union label when it served them in their battle with the NFL owners. A fight in which the players association had its goose cooked by the owners.

DaTruth 01-18-2012 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 832334)
The people collecting these signatures had no boundaries and no ethics. They showed up at a local function where we took our kids to see Santa and his reindeer. You should have seen the looks they got. Fortunately they realized that no one wanted them there and they left within 20 mins.

Do you have a link for that?

Riot 01-18-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan
The people collecting these signatures had no boundaries and no ethics. They showed up at a local function where we took our kids to see Santa and his reindeer. You should have seen the looks they got. Fortunately they realized that no one wanted them there and they left within 20 mins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 832414)
Do you have a link for that?


Try this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7OR...eature=related

wiphan 01-19-2012 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 832414)
Do you have a link for that?

Unlike Riot I actually live in the State of WI and don't just rely on the media for my information. I actually experience these things first hand. The recall signature collectors obviously were not very intelligent because they showed up in the Town of Delafield (quite wealthy community) where families were there to have their picture taken with Santa and his reindeer. You could also meet the reindeer. It is a nice idea and some good family time that is paid for and supported by the Chamber of Commerce. There is a time and place for everything and this was not a time to discuss politics. Unfortunately the democrats and union supporters do not understand this.

Danzig 01-19-2012 09:43 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/bid-unseat-wis...040348319.html

In bid to unseat Wisconsin governor, whither the challengers?By Brendan O'Brien | Reuters – 3 hrs ago

MILWAUKEE (Reuters) - Critics of Wisconsin's Governor Scott Walker showed on Tuesday how unpopular he is with many voters, filing more than 1 million signed petitions -- nearly twice the number needed -- to force the first-term Republican to defend himself in a special election.

On Wednesday, they faced what is likely to be a harder task: finding a Democrat who can beat the battle-tested 44-year-old.

"There is no single preeminent candidate," said Charles Franklin, a political scientist and visiting professor of law and public policy at Marquette University, said of the Democrats who might challenge Walker, who gained a national following in leading a successful push to curb Wisconsin's public unions.

Although some Democrats have hinted in recent weeks they might be interested in running against Walker in a recall, so far no one with a marquee name has committed to what is sure to be a bruising fight. No date has been set for the election.


and, further down:

"If Walker is reelected and Republicans are energized because of this, that will have an impact in the presidential race," Sabato said. "I bet if the White House had their druthers the recall would not be happening."


and this gem:

According to a Government Accountability Board report, processing recall petitions will cost the state more than $650,000. The total cost of recall elections for the state and municipalities may be more than $9 million, according to estimates from board officials.


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