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RockHardTen1985 01-01-2012 11:22 PM

Matt Ice Flynn
 
Jets should go HARD for him.

Coach Pants 01-02-2012 07:16 AM

Ok Waka Flocka Fatas.s

dagolfer33 01-02-2012 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828523)
Jets should go HARD for him.

Revisit Palmer to Raiders thread.

jms62 01-02-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828523)
Jets should go HARD for him.

Please research Rob Johnson to see How giving someone a big contract based on 1 game as a fillin starter can go horribly wrong.

RockHardTen1985 01-02-2012 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 828548)
Please research Rob Johnson to see How giving someone a big contract based on 1 game as a fillin starter can go horribly wrong.

Ask Golfer if the guy can play. Sanchez is not an NFL QB.

Dahoss 01-02-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828551)
Sanchez is not an NFL QB.

Is Tebow an NFL QB?

horseofcourse 01-02-2012 10:34 AM

I remember a guy once named Kelly Ice Holcomb...threw for 400 plus in a playoff game against Steelers. Permanent solution. Wait, wrong thread.

RockHardTen1985 01-02-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 828565)
Is Tebow an NFL QB?


Im not sure anymore, but with the talent he would have around him in NY I would take Tebow over Sanchez all day. Hes more of a leader and can move around. What exactly does Sanchez do well? I cant name one thing.

Dahoss 01-02-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828567)
Im not sure anymore, but with the talent he would have around him in NY I would take Tebow over Sanchez all day. Hes more of a leader and can move around. What exactly does Sanchez do well? I cant name one thing.

Oh...not sure anymore. Interesting.

When Sanchez is on (which wasn't much this season) he's an excellent game manager. He has the ability to throw (much, much better than Tebow) although the current coaching staff hasn't allowed it. 5 and 6 yard routes with a legitimate deep threat in Santonio Holmes isn't going to cut it.

This season was doomed from the start for the Jets. It didn't seem like they were an actual team ever. Who is to blame for that? A lot of people and it should start with Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan. Let the sh.it roll down from there. But when your on field leader is your coach....never a good thing. Someone needed to step up and no one did.

Danzig 01-02-2012 10:43 AM

i think the jets' woes have far more to do with coaching than anything. sanchez will be there longer than rex imo. i think sanchez can be a good qb-but his line doesn't seem to help him much from what i've seen. prima donna wr's don't help either. where was the 'c' yesterday when they needed him? on the bench, sulking.

MaTH716 01-02-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828567)
Im not sure anymore, but with the talent he would have around him in NY I would take Tebow over Sanchez all day. Hes more of a leader and can move around. What exactly does Sanchez do well? I cant name one thing.

Does the offensive line count in the talent category? Because it sure seems like Timmy has a lot of time to throw back there. The running lanes for Timmy and the RB's were pretty good too.

golfer 01-02-2012 11:08 AM

There are many things not to like about Sanchez this season. The ONLY thing I can write in his defense is that when you get hit as often and as hard as he did this year, it takes it's toll. No quarterback is successfull when getting slammed around, including Brady.

The Jets were built to win THIS year, what they did on the field was pretty disgraceful. They will have much work to do in the off-season. I will say as of today, next year's schedule is'nt that bad. But of course that opinion can change dramatically.

Football season is over:wf, it's on to HOCKEY!;)

Dahoss 01-02-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 828575)
I will say as of today, next year's schedule is'nt that bad.

Is next year the year the AFC East plays the NFC West?

Bigsmc 01-02-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 828578)
Is next year the year the AFC East plays the NFC West?

Yes.

http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedu...uture_afce.htm

MaTH716 01-02-2012 11:45 AM

We this being a league of parity now, I'm not sure there is really such a thing as an "easy" schedule. That being said, it does seem like they caught a break by getting to play all the better teams of the opposing divisons at home.

They will have to go to Pittsburgh, but will get the Bolts at home. So in a season where they could have been forced to go to the west coast 3 times, the furthest they will have to go is Arizona.

RockHardTen1985 01-02-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 828574)
Does the offensive line count in the talent category? Because it sure seems like Timmy has a lot of time to throw back there. The running lanes for Timmy and the RB's were pretty good too.

He has not 1 relevant skill position player, the WR Thomas would be a nice 3 on most teams with a lot of upside. He is there 1.

MaTH716 01-02-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828583)
He has not 1 relevant skill position player, the WR Thomas would be a nice 3 on most teams with a lot of upside. He is there 1.

If you do not have time to throw the ball, it wouldn't matter if you had Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin and Lynn Swann as your recievers.

Dahoss 01-02-2012 11:54 AM

Willis McGahee is alright. He's not Barry Sanders, but it could be a lot worse.

jms62 01-03-2012 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 828566)
I remember a guy once named Kelly Ice Holcomb...threw for 400 plus in a playoff game against Steelers. Permanent solution. Wait, wrong thread.

****ing Bills paid that clown too.

3kings 01-03-2012 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 828583)
He has not 1 relevant skill position player, the WR Thomas would be a nice 3 on most teams with a lot of upside. He is there 1.

Thomas looks like a 3 because Tebow throws the ball like Nuke LaLoosh. If he had Brady or Rogers throwing to him he would have 1200 yds. and double digit TD's.

horseofcourse 01-03-2012 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 828548)
Please research Rob Johnson to see How giving someone a big contract based on 1 game as a fillin starter can go horribly wrong.

Good one. I have no clue how good Matt Flynn can or will be, but as you say basing something on one game can absolutlely go horribly wrong. There's a huge difference in being "the" guy and the backup, I remember Holcomb who looked incredible going in for a game or two but when given the job showed everyone why he was a career backup. I think Kolb was Matt Flynn last year, he didn't exactly set the world on fire before his injury and was no better than John Skelton at all for AZ. There were even whispers this year Vince Young should be the Eagles starter by some (Skip Bayless!) when he went into game 1 in NY and beat the Giants...then he kept playing more games!!

MaTH716 01-03-2012 08:56 AM

Besides Rodgers, I'm not sure who else didn't play for the Packers. Take nothing away from him, he did a great job. But for the most part Flynn was still driving a Ferrarri type offense. I think a lot of times guys get contracts (other places) based off these performances and get stuck driving ang struggling with Toyota type offenses.

GBBob 01-03-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 828735)
Besides Rodgers, I'm not sure who else didn't play for the Packers. Take nothing away from him, he did a great job. But for the most part Flynn was still driving a Ferrarri type offense. I think a lot of times guys get contracts (other places) based off these performances and get stuck driving ang struggling with Toyota type offenses.

Starting WR (Jennings), Starting RB (Starks), two starting O-Linemen and 5 starters on D (not that that affected Flynn at all)

Obviously it was a once in a lifetime performace, but Flynn has been getting accolades from guys for several years about what he does in camp and during practices. And I still think his start aganist the Pats on the road LY was more impressive than Sunday. Stat wise, no, but that was a much tougher situation he was thrown into on the road in NE. No QB can make a talentless team a playoff team, but in the right situation..hello Jets, Hello Dallas.. I think he would be an upgrade.

MaTH716 01-03-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 828736)
Starting WR (Jennings), Starting RB (Starks), two starting O-Linemen and 5 starters on D (not that that affected Flynn at all)

Obviously it was a once in a lifetime performace, but Flynn has been getting accolades from guys for several years about what he does in camp and during practices. And I still think his start aganist the Pats on the road LY was more impressive than Sunday. Stat wise, no, but that was a much tougher situation he was thrown into on the road in NE. No QB can make a talentless team a playoff team, but in the right situation..hello Jets, Hello Dallas.. I think he would be an upgrade.

I personally don't think those teams are/should be addressing the QB situation.

I think of teams like Washington, Jacksonville, Miami and dare I say Denver who could use an immediate upgrade.

GBBob 01-03-2012 09:39 AM

As an aside..I didn't know Romo wil be 33 next season

Clip-Clop 01-03-2012 10:02 AM

What Flynn did Sunday, in my opinion, solidifies why Brees is MVP.

Clip-Clop 01-03-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 828739)
As an aside..I didn't know Romo wil be 33 next season

I will happily take Flynn as a Cowboys fan. He would do very well there I think.

GBBob 01-03-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 828743)
What Flynn did Sunday, in my opinion, solidifies why Brees is MVP.

You don't think Flynn would have done the same thing for New Orleans last Sunday?

Brees lost to Tampa Bay and St Louis ( I think)...and Rodgers...

Yeah..he finished strong, but..

Clip-Clop 01-03-2012 02:55 PM

Perhaps he would have but I doubt it. Brees is that offense (though his guys do make him look good with some amazing grabs) and I do not think anybody could be put in and perform the way he does. Which is what Flynn did in GB on Sunday, he put up Rodgers numbers and did it in the same fashion.

Danzig 01-03-2012 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 828739)
As an aside..I didn't know Romo wil be 33 next season

colin cowherd said the other day that he thinks romo will turn out well. i said he's running out of time! but he's a poster boy for that entire team, they're always more well-thought of than they should be. always over-hyped.

as for flynn, i'm not sure he'll turn out to be a franchise qb, but i'd love to see him in d.c. god knows beck and grossman aren't the answer.

NTamm1215 01-03-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 828880)
colin cowherd said the other day that he thinks romo will turn out well. i said he's running out of time! but he's a poster boy for that entire team, they're always more well-thought of than they should be. always over-hyped.

as for flynn, i'm not sure he'll turn out to be a franchise qb, but i'd love to see him in d.c. god knows beck and grossman aren't the answer.

You won't find a bigger Cowboy hater than me but I'll be the first to admit that Romo was not their problem this year. He was actually REALLY good for the final 8 games they played this season.

Their problem is on defense. Rob Ryan is all fluff, yet his unit has a horrible secondary. They created very little pressure on the QB and that was exemplified by the pitiful performances against Eli Manning.

On offense, they are victimized at times by Garrett's play calling. When DeMarco Murray was healthy they had good balance on offense. However, he has a tendency to get very pass happy and that's when Romo makes mistakes.

If they bring in someone to call plays, firm up the secondary and add a physical DE that can complement DeMarcus Ware they will be very dangerous going forward. They could also fire their GM and a big difference will be seen.

MaTH716 01-03-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 828886)
You won't find a bigger Cowboy hater than me but I'll be the first to admit that Romo was not their problem this year. He was actually REALLY good for the final 8 games they played this season.

Their problem is on defense. Rob Ryan is all fluff, yet his unit has a horrible secondary. They created very little pressure on the QB and that was exemplified by the pitiful performances against Eli Manning.

On offense, they are victimized at times by Garrett's play calling. When DeMarco Murray was healthy they had good balance on offense. However, he has a tendency to get very pass happy and that's when Romo makes mistakes.

If they bring in someone to call plays, firm up the secondary and add a physical DE that can complement DeMarcus Ware they will be very dangerous going forward. They could also fire their GM and a big difference will be seen.

Isn't Jerry Jones the GM?

EDIT: Here's the answer..............

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/...iving-gm-title

So much for getting rid of him.

Danzig 01-03-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 828922)
Isn't Jerry Jones the GM?

yes, he is..and he needs to be fired!

and yeah, romo wasn't the biggest problem on the team...but he was an issue at times. i think their problems are far greater than individual players. i think their biggest issue by far is their owner. you know, like the skins!

romo may have improved the latter part of the season, but all 16 games count. he hurt them early, others hurt them late.


and speaking of needing to be fired, i can not believe norv and aj will be back for another year. and i thought being a washington fan was tough; glad i don't root for the chargers.

Alabama Stakes 01-04-2012 06:46 AM

Brady makes mediocre receivers look much better than they are. Rodgers receivers are all good, and would be without Rodgers.

3kings 01-04-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 828930)
Brady makes mediocre receivers look much better than they are. Rodgers receivers are all good, and would be without Rodgers.

Hernandez & Gronkowski are mediocre.:rolleyes:

Coach Pants 01-04-2012 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 828541)
Ok Waka Flocka Fatas.s

This was a fitting last post and you guys ruined it.

Crown@club 01-04-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 828743)
What Flynn did Sunday, in my opinion, solidifies why Brees is MVP.



While breaking the passing yards record, Brees had 657 pass attempts, getting 8.2 YPA. That's lower than Eli Manning's 8.4 and miles away from Rodgers' 9.2. Brees threw 14 picks to Rodgers' six, and the Saints didn't even get a first-round bye.

As good as Rodgers' setup is, I'd easily prefer a dome, Sean Payton as head coach, Darren Sproles and a tight end that can catch.

wiphan 01-04-2012 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 828743)
What Flynn did Sunday, in my opinion, solidifies why Brees is MVP.

Brees has 8 more turnovers than Rodgers. Brees has more yards, but far more attempts as well. Rodgers leads in passer rating and yards per attempt. Running game is much better in NO than it is in GB. Brees has only one more TD than Rodgers but played in one more game. Rodgers beat Brees. Your argument for Brees as MVP is that Matt Flynn had a career game against a terrible/overated Detroit Lions team in a meaningless game. To me there is only one award that matters and it is not who is MVP, but Rodgers should win the MVP.

Clip-Clop 01-04-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 829010)
While breaking the passing yards record, Brees had 657 pass attempts, getting 8.2 YPA. That's lower than Eli Manning's 8.4 and miles away from Rodgers' 9.2. Brees threw 14 picks to Rodgers' six, and the Saints didn't even get a first-round bye.

As good as Rodgers' setup is, I'd easily prefer a dome, Sean Payton as head coach, Darren Sproles and a tight end that can catch.

Take Rodgers away and the Pack scores 40+ against the Lions. Take Brees away and the Saints look like the Colts.

NTamm1215 01-04-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 829016)
Take Rodgers away and the Pack scores 40+ against the Lions. Take Brees away and the Saints look like the Colts.

That is an assumption until you'd actually see the Saints without Brees.

MVP awards are mostly dumb and both are deserving, but I'd give it to Rodgers.


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