should have been vetoed!
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/us...l.html?_r=1&hp


bill signed into law. well, that's just fantastic.

At least he has absolved himself of any blame since, you know, he has "serious reservations with certain provisions."

yeah, it certainly makes the bitter pill easier to swallow. :rolleyes: congress shouldn't have put this bill together, he shouldn't have signed it. every signee should be voted out, asap. i guess when he said change, voters thought he meant a good change. oops.

I guess his re-election strategy will be that he isn't as bad as the other side.

based on this move, i don't know that he could actually win that argument. what good is being smarter than bush, if you act just like him?

The time to get upset about this stuff is in the months prior to the signing, while Congress is adding their horrible little nasties to it. Not after it's all done.

At least the President eliminated much of the warmongering aggressiveness and attempts to incite trouble with Iran put in by the GOP (reference the Iran financial sanctions) Nice to see you guys give him credit for that. Oh, wait ... you aren't.

Not to mention the following:

The President eliminated the indefinite military detention and denial of right to trial the GOP placed up you and your fellow citizens. You're welcome.

Yea because Iran is so misunderstood. Maybe we can throw them a couple of billion and be friends. :zz:

What in the world are you talking about? This had nothing to do with giving Iran any money.

Only the shilliest of shills would believe that "we" are inciting trouble with Iran.

Yeah. That whole recent Strait of Hormuz thing, based upon the threat of the sanctions placed in the defense bill, was just imaginary. Of course, it's our manifest destiny to control the actions of other international banks around the world, after all, we are the USA!

Do any of you actually ever read the news or pay attention to what's happening in Washington? Where have you rocket scientists been for the past six months, while all this was being discussed and added to the bill?

Naw. That takes brains. It's too hard to discuss what was actually placed into, then taken out of, the bill. Easier to just call other posters names. That doesn't take any brains at all.

I think we may end up giving Iran something, unless Israel gives it to them first, but it won't be money.

Riot talks about brains. Hahahahahahahahahaha

Despite my apparant lack of brains I dare to doubt the typical drivel coming from the govt of Iran. I suppose you also believe they dont have a nuclear weapons program brewing either?

Maybe you and Sean Penn can act as human shields when the bombing begins.

Nice of you to immediately prove my point. Thanks :tro:

Why don't you go read about the Defense Act, what the GOP placed into it, what was removed, how that related to what Iran did with the Straight and their threats, and get back to me? Because that's the subject.

No the subject is you inferred that US "agressiveness" was inciting "trouble" with Iran as though you are the Bagdad Bob of Iran.

Not yet and that is my point.

Nope. That's your straw man. Good luck with your personal insults. I'm sorry the actual contents of the Defense Act, over the past several months, and the reactions they incited on the international stage, are apparently over your head, and over your ability to debate them.

You haven't got a clue what the Defense Act negotiations have been about either, do you? :D

And I'm sorry they're over the head of our President

Unlike you, I don't have two Arab graduate students to base my Arab world view on.

As I said, you haven't got a clue what the Defense Act contains, what was removed, or what we are talking about, do you?

You, Cannon and Anti should sit in your armchairs, get high, and throw insults at one another, as you all seem to think that's what discussing politics is about :D

You really don't have a clue, about anything.

Any relation to Exacta Bob of Pinckney?

Strawman? Lets face it you are a shill and generally unable to think an original thought.

2nd cousin

Fail. Yes, I know you don't like me. Old news. Try again. Try learning what the GOP tried to place into the bill regarding international banking options and sanctions against Iran, what made it through, what was removed, what Iran's response was, and get back to me. That is, if you want to talk politics. If you just want to sit in a circle-jerk with Dell and call me names, have at it, but thanks, I'll pass.

Try getting a clue. Are we now supposed to back down from Iran when they dont like what we do or say? The biggest pitfalls to economic sanctions is damage to countries that we are supposedly allies of, not because Iran doesnt like it.

Sigh ... here. Have some matches for your straw men.

If you want to talk about the contents that didn't make it into the Defense Bill, and how Iran responded to them, get back to me.

There are a lot of people that I "like" that also havent seen the ball since kickoff. Your take on most things is directly out of the comments section on news articles from Daily Kos. How could anyone self respecting citizen not take umbrage with your inane takes on news items. It isnt that I dislike you at all just bristle at your intellectual superiority complex which rears its ugly head in almost any thread where you are challenged.

Now I am going to go get the rest of my moneys worth out of the redzone channel as the only reason I even ventured to DT this afternoon was hoping to see some suffering Jets fans comments in the sports section.

Circle jerk it is, then! Have fun with that.

I said: "At least the President eliminated much of the warmongering aggressiveness and attempts to incite trouble with Iran put in by the GOP."

That incited your typical name calling crap. If you had any real knowledge of the subject, you would list those eliminated provisions, and tell me why I am wrong to label them warmongering aggressiveness. But you can't, because that's not why you post. You don't have a clue about what those provisions are, and you don't care.

You are what you are, and every time you post you remind me why I quit working for you.

In a nutshell stop wanting/coveting what you don't/can't have.

Occupy a Circle Jerk should be your new mantra

Have another beer.

So here's the post I made before the thread was interrupted. If any of you political brainiacs actually want to talk about the Defense Act, the good and bad in it, step up.

Find a girlfriend and be done with it.

:tro::zz::tro:

It's a terrible, bigoted thing that you think homosexuality is an insult.

your just mad because you want to be the 'man' in the relationship..

Circle jerk it is, then!..thats a horrible view riot..

And marrying a male in your condition is the definition of hypocrisy. Listen, dealing with reality is not bigoted.