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Nostradamus 09-14-2006 03:22 PM

Funny Cide will go in the Brooklyn
 
Like I said before somebody called me an idiot and told me I did not know what I was talking about, Funny Cide is going this weekend in the Brooklyn. Looks like he fits just fine here.

I asked again, and Funny Cide definitely likes the Belmont track more than the Saratoga track.

Belmont Park - September 16th, 2006 - Race 9
Brooklyn Breeders' Cup H. - Grade: 2

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Good Reward (KY) 5 Horse 115 Garrett K. Gomez
2 Funny Cide (NY) 6 Gelding 115 Cornelio H. Velasquez
3 Awesome Twist (KY) 4 Colt 114 Edgar S. Prado
4 Take the Bluff (KY) 4 Colt 112 John R. Velazquez
5 Reverberate (KY) 4 Colt 112 Jose A. Santos
6 We Can Seek (CHI) 5 Horse 114 Eibar Coa
7 Wanderin Boy (KY) 5 Horse 117 Javier Castellano

sumitas 09-14-2006 03:26 PM

I still think Awesome Twist will finish itm. He showed a good close in the Woodward but he was too far back to catch that field.

Bold Brooklynite 09-14-2006 03:26 PM

As weak as this field is for an alleged G2 ...

... Funny Cide still doesn't have a prayer of winning it.

This gallant guy belongs either in state-bred or ungraded stakes at secondary tracks ... and has for at least the past two campaigns.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
As weak as this field is for an alleged G2 ...

... Funny Cide still doesn't have a prayer of winning it.

This gallant guy belongs either in state-bred or ungraded stakes at secondary tracks ... and has for at least the past two campaigns.

The cutback to 9f will be good for him. NOTICE MY MAN CORNELIO IS ON HIM. :)

1st_Saturday_in_May 09-14-2006 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
I still think Awesome Twist will finish itm. He showed a good close in the Woodward but he was too far back to catch that field.

I think you're confusing him with someone else. Awesome Twist ran in the Forego and has never been beyond 8.5f. He's a sprinter but they're taking advantage of the huge Belmont oval in this one turn 9f race...

randallscott35 09-14-2006 03:29 PM

Good Reward will win this.

oracle80 09-14-2006 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Like I said before somebody called me an idiot and told me I did not know what I was talking about, Funny Cide is going this weekend in the Brooklyn. Looks like he fits just fine here.

I asked again, and Funny Cide definitely likes the Belmont track more than the Saratoga track.

Belmont Park - September 16th, 2006 - Race 9
Brooklyn Breeders' Cup H. - Grade: 2

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Good Reward (KY) 5 Horse 115 Garrett K. Gomez
2 Funny Cide (NY) 6 Gelding 115 Cornelio H. Velasquez
3 Awesome Twist (KY) 4 Colt 114 Edgar S. Prado
4 Take the Bluff (KY) 4 Colt 112 John R. Velazquez
5 Reverberate (KY) 4 Colt 112 Jose A. Santos
6 We Can Seek (CHI) 5 Horse 114 Eibar Coa
7 Wanderin Boy (KY) 5 Horse 117 Javier Castellano

You've posted some delusional rantings before, but this one takes the cake!! You asked? Gee thats great!! It was only reported in the Drf a few days ago that he would be running here and it was accompanied with a quote from exercise rider Simon Harris that he felt that he liked the Belmont track better.
Now see, we don't need to hear that from either of you to know that and you really need some sort of professional help for those delusions you suffer from.
lets see, he won the Jockey Club Gold Cup at Belmont, borke his maiden there, and won his first stakes race there as a two year old.
IN addition, he won a stakes race there earlier this year.
Thanks a lot for the "inside info".

sumitas 09-14-2006 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
I think you're confusing him with someone else. Awesome Twist ran in the Forego and has never been beyond 8.5f. He's a sprinter but they're taking advantage of the huge Belmont oval in this one turn 9f race...

I beg your pardon, it was the Forego.

oracle80 09-14-2006 03:34 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/78625.html
Thanks for the inside info dude. I guess Grening asked too huh?

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oracle80
You've posted some delusional rantings before, but this one takes the cake!! You asked? Gee thats great!! It was only reported in the Drf a few days ago that he would be running here and it was accompanied with a quote from exercise rider Simon Harris that he felt that he liked the Belmont track better.
Now see, we don't need to hear that from either of you to know that and you really need some sort of professional help for those delusions you suffer from.
lets see, he won the Jockey Club Gold Cup at Belmont, borke his maiden there, and won his first stakes race there as a two year old.
IN addition, he won a stakes race there earlier this year.
Thanks a lot for the "inside info".

No kidding rocket scientist. In yesterdays thread it was said repeatedly he would not run and that it was not true that he liked Belmont better. Where does this post say there is "inside information"? They said they were going to this race weeks ago instead of the race at Hawthorne.

This was also in the drf.
"I had him in the Kentucky Horse Park by the time he got to the gap, but when I got back to the barn [Velasquez] he was so excited," Tagg said. "I said to him 'What's wrong with him?' He said, 'I just eased up on him, the race is on Saturday.' "

I think you are the one with the problem. Please show me the post where I said I had inside information on him? All I said was yesterday morning they said he would be entered.

SOUNDS LIKE A GUY THAT JUST LOST SOME MONEY ON THE DQ. :eek:

oracle80 09-14-2006 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No kidding rocket scientist. In yesterdays thread it was said repeatedly he would not run and that it was not true that he liked Belmont better. Where does this post say there is "inside information"? They said they were going to this race weeks ago instead of the race at Hawthorne.

This was also in the drf.
"I had him in the Kentucky Horse Park by the time he got to the gap, but when I got back to the barn [Velasquez] he was so excited," Tagg said. "I said to him 'What's wrong with him?' He said, 'I just eased up on him, the race is on Saturday.' "

I think you are the one with the problem. Please show me the post where I said I had inside information on him? All I said was yesterday morning they said he would be entered.

SOUNDS LIKE A GUY THAT JUST LOST SOME MONEY ON THE DQ. :eek:

I actually lost no money on the dq, i had the winner in the pik-4 as well. I lost money when tesher's horse won the next leg.
Now, back to your delusional rantings which is the matter at hand.
You just expressed yourself on this thread as if you had special info on the horse that noone else had. In fact not one but two different articles written in the DRF told us that he would run.
SO I guess that leaves me wondering what the point of your post was where you said that you asked?

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oracle80
I actually lost no money on the dq, i had the winner in the pik-4 as well. I lost money when tesher's horse won the next leg.
Now, back to your delusional rantings which is the matter at hand.
You just expressed yourself on this thread as if you had special info on the horse that noone else had. In fact not one but two different articles written in the DRF told us that he would run.
SO I guess that leaves me wondering what the point of your post was where you said that you asked?

Actually you were the one who said Barclay did not make this decision to run here on short rest. He definitely made the decision. Cornelio Velasquez helped too. The Empire Classic is the race they are targetting on the same track at the same distance.

oracle80 09-14-2006 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
Actually you were the one who said Barclay did not make this decision to run here on short rest. He definitely made the decision. Cornelio Velasquez helped too. The Empire Classic is the race they are targetting on the same track at the same distance.

Actually I just agreed with the earlier posted sentiments of two others on that thread Pinnochio.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oracle80
Actually I just agreed with the earlier posted sentiments of two others on that thread Pinnochio.


"Thats hysterical. hes gonna run him back on short rest on the Brooklyn and you want me to believe its Barclay's idea?
I doubt that a lot."

Those were your words. He belongs here, that is how you know the owners did not make the decision.

my miss storm cat 09-14-2006 04:00 PM

Sorry to interrupt.....

Maybe We Can Seek can (finally) get another win. It's been a while and he owes me quite a bit at this point.....

Multiple Group 1 winner, 3YO colt of the year (turf)..... a nice horse who might just remember how to win.

oracle80 09-14-2006 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
"Thats hysterical. hes gonna run him back on short rest on the Brooklyn and you want me to believe its Barclay's idea?
I doubt that a lot."

Those were your words. He belongs here, that is how you know the owners did not make the decision.

I never questioned that he was going to run in this race, I would have bet that he was going to for sure.
If you say it's tagg's idea, then it must be true.:rolleyes:

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Sorry to interrupt.....

Maybe We Can Seek can (finally) get another win. It's been a while and he owes me quite a bit at this point.....

Multiple Group 1 winner, 3YO colt of the year (turf)..... a nice horse who might just remember how to win.

Almost anyone can win this race, that is how you know Funny Cide belongs. He could easily win or finish 4th, but this is the type of competition he belongs with. Wanderin Boy is the logical top choice.

blackthroatedwind 09-14-2006 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
The cutback to 9f will be good for him. NOTICE MY MAN CORNELIO IS ON HIM. :)


He isn't cutting back in distance...the Woodward is also 9 furlongs. It also was NOT disputed here that he would run. Tagg has been saying for over a week he was probably running.

It isn't all about you.

JJP 09-14-2006 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
As weak as this field is for an alleged G2 ...

... Funny Cide still doesn't have a prayer of winning it.

This gallant guy belongs either in state-bred or ungraded stakes at secondary tracks ... and has for at least the past two campaigns.

I've seen classified allowance races as tough as this alleged Grade 2.

The Bid 09-14-2006 04:44 PM

Its obvious it wasnt Tagg's choice to run this horse. There is just noway hes had anything to do with the placement of Funny Cide the last couple of races. I can see taking a shot once if the horse was going super. However, after getting your head jerked off, working the horse, why in gods name would you bring him back in this spot. Owners picked this one fellas.

BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.

slotdirt 09-14-2006 04:45 PM

I just don't understand why you guys would question the predictive capabilities of a guy named Nostradamus.

oracle80 09-14-2006 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Its obvious it wasnt Tagg's choice to run this horse. There is just noway hes had anything to do with the placement of Funny Cide the last couple of races. I can see taking a shot once if the horse was going super. However, after getting your head jerked off, working the horse, why in gods name would you bring him back in this spot. Owners picked this one fellas.

BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.

How dare you question the all knowing Nostradamus and his unfailing knowledge of the inner workings of the Tagg barn!!! LOL!

The Bid 09-14-2006 04:48 PM

Haha, I probably shouldnt have, but theres just noway hes picking these spots. He doesnt get paid to run up tracks.

Bold Brooklynite 09-14-2006 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
The cutback to 9f will be good for him. NOTICE MY MAN CORNELIO IS ON HIM. :)

He'd be better off without any jockey on him ...

... he knows his way around the track ... and the 120lb weight advantage might give him a shot.

dalakhani 09-14-2006 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Haha, I probably shouldnt have, but theres just noway hes picking these spots. He doesnt get paid to run up tracks.

True, but will he run up the track here? This field is hardly awe inspiring. Good reward aint exactly a win machine and the rest have questions.

If they are going to try a grade 2 field, wouldnt this be the one to try? This field isnt much better than the mcarthur. I think Wanderin boy wires them but i think FC has enough to get a piece. Dont you?

Bold Brooklynite 09-14-2006 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.

But most horses can't read either.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:06 PM

dalakhani,

I dont think the race is tough at all. Im commenting more on the prep into the race, and his placement in the last. Oh, and Cornhole calling the shots, Cornhole isnt calling any shots, hes just on for the ride.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Its obvious it wasnt Tagg's choice to run this horse. There is just noway hes had anything to do with the placement of Funny Cide the last couple of races. I can see taking a shot once if the horse was going super. However, after getting your head jerked off, working the horse, why in gods name would you bring him back in this spot. Owners picked this one fellas.

BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.

It is obvious it wasn't Tagg's choice? Really? Where else was he going to run him? Cornelio worked him the other morning and it was slow, but he said he left something in the tank for saturday.

The owners did not pick this one. They wanted to go to Hawthorne. Even their website says that.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:10 PM

Let me get this straight......

You think Tagg got his head jerked off in a grade one, breezed him after the race, and is running him in this spot because thats whats best for the horse? Okay

dalakhani 09-14-2006 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
dalakhani,

I dont think the race is tough at all. Im commenting more on the prep into the race, and his placement in the last. Oh, and Cornhole calling the shots, Cornhole isnt calling any shots, hes just on for the ride.

I agree- there doesnt appear to be any kind of "plan" here. I am definitely not a Funny Fan but I do respect what he has accomplished. They had to figure in advance that this race wouldnt come up very deep considering the placement (being sandwiched within weeks between the woodward and jcgc) and it would have been nice to see FC prepped properly for this one. Oh well, we will see.

He only has to beat two horses for a slice.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:18 PM

I guess thats how they rationalize running him in this spot, thinking he only has to beat a few to get a slice.

There was no planning to put him in this spot, no trainer plans ahead like that. Its really a bush league move, thats why I say it has to be the owners making the decision. You are correct, he would have been better suited to prep up to this race and get all the money.

I hope he runs well, that being said I will be surprised if he shows up at all.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
I agree- there doesnt appear to be any kind of "plan" here. I am definitely not a Funny Fan but I do respect what he has accomplished. They had to figure in advance that this race wouldnt come up very deep considering the placement (being sandwiched within weeks between the woodward and jcgc) and it would have been nice to see FC prepped properly for this one. Oh well, we will see.

He only has to beat two horses for a slice.

No plan? The plan is Brooklyn then the Empire Classic. Makes a ton of sense. Barclay has also switched to his number 1 rider. The owners wanted to run at Saratoga and the Woodward was the only spot. They had their shot, now the trainer makes the calls.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
I guess thats how they rationalize running him in this spot, thinking he only has to beat a few to get a slice.

There was no planning to put him in this spot, no trainer plans ahead like that. Its really a bush league move, thats why I say it has to be the owners making the decision. You are correct, he would have been better suited to prep up to this race and get all the money.

I hope he runs well, that being said I will be surprised if he shows up at all.

How do you know there was no planning? The Empire Classic is the goal and this race sets him up perfectly for it. Didn't a horse from the Woodward win the stake yesterday at Belmont?

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:24 PM

Where does that grade 1 race he got smoked in fit into their plans? Breaking his heart, exhausting him before his main goal, a 100,000 race? The owners have taken over the wheel, and undoubtedly they are drunk in the drivers seat

dalakhani 09-14-2006 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No plan? The plan is Brooklyn then the Empire Classic. Makes a ton of sense. Barclay has also switched to his number 1 rider. The owners wanted to run at Saratoga and the Woodward was the only spot. They had their shot, now the trainer makes the calls.

You are going to make a "plan" for a horse that would go: grade 1, grade 2, then statebred?

Or even grade 2 brooklyn and then statebred? Who preps horses like that? Maybe Tagg is using Wayne Lukas as his advisor these days.

blackthroatedwind 09-14-2006 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No plan? The plan is Brooklyn then the Empire Classic. Makes a ton of sense. Barclay has also switched to his number 1 rider. The owners wanted to run at Saratoga and the Woodward was the only spot. They had their shot, now the trainer makes the calls.

Actually you are wrong again. He could have run in the overnight stake that Naughty New Yorker won.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:27 PM

And even that would have been too quick of a turn around after getting smashed. He would have gotten crushed in there

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually you are wrong again. He could have run in the overnight stake that Naughty New Yorker won.

That race was originally scheduled for last week. This is a perfect race for him. He runs 1-2 or 3 and he had a good race. He doesn't win an overnight and it is a failure. The extra few days rest help too.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm a man of my word, so I will concede the fact that I was wrong in saying he won't run. But you are still an idiot. I hadn't read that barclay said they wanted to, and in my heart I don't think he wants to run here. I could be wrong, but I don't think he does. I also don't think he has a shot to hit the board in here. Not that there are any world beaters in here, but he just isn't this good anymore. Is We Can Seek the horse who finished up pretty good in the Whitney, with some traffic trouble?

I am an idiot and you were the one that was wrong. Good logic. He will hit the board here, maybe even win.


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