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Alan07 12-09-2011 04:33 PM

TVG discontinues Tampa broadcasts
 
Despite annual increases on the Tampa Bay DownsThoroughbred signal through its advance deposit wagering(ADW) platform since 2007, the TVG network has chosen not to telecast Thoroughbred racing from the track for the foreseeable future. The Tampa Bay Downs signal continues to be broadcast on a limited basis by HRTV.

Last season alone, as the Tampa Bay Downs signal continued to increase in popularity, $20.2 million was wagered on TBD through TVG, a virtual 33 percent increase from the previous season.

“The ball is in their court,” said Tampa Bay Downs Vice President and General Manager Peter Berube. “They have severely underpaid us for a number of years and we are finally in a position to be compensated at market rates. We are asking them to pay exactly what other market ADWs are paying for our signal.”

http://tampabaydowns.com/

GPK 12-09-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 823677)
Despite annual increases on the Tampa Bay DownsThoroughbred signal through its advance deposit wagering(ADW) platform since 2007, the TVG network has chosen not to telecast Thoroughbred racing from the track for the foreseeable future. The Tampa Bay Downs signal continues to be broadcast on a limited basis by HRTV.

Last season alone, as the Tampa Bay Downs signal continued to increase in popularity, $20.2 million was wagered on TBD through TVG, a virtual 33 percent increase from the previous season.

“The ball is in their court,” said Tampa Bay Downs Vice President and General Manager Peter Berube. “They have severely underpaid us for a number of years and we are finally in a position to be compensated at market rates. We are asking them to pay exactly what other market ADWs are paying for our signal.”

http://tampabaydowns.com/

No offense Alan, but honestly, who gives a sh*t?

Tampa offers free live video feed on their own website. More tracks should follow suit, but that would make too much sense.

http://tampabaydowns.com/tampa-bay-d...ive-video.aspx

MaTH716 12-09-2011 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 823683)
No offense Alan, but honestly, who gives a sh*t?

Tampa offers free live video feed on their own website. More tracks should follow suit, but that would make too much sense.

http://tampabaydowns.com/tampa-bay-d...ive-video.aspx

Wow, it looks like the Waz put somebody in a salty mood............

Bigsmc 12-09-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 823698)
Wow, it looks like the Waz put somebody in a salty mood............

I agree with Kev. 5 years ago, this would be news. Now? Free video on their website and much improved ADW video quality.

I haven't had TVG on since the Saratoga meet ended.

Their loss.

MaTH716 12-09-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 823723)
I agree with Kev. 5 years ago, this would be news. Now? Free video on their website and much improved ADW video quality.

I haven't had TVG on since the Saratoga meet ended.

Their loss.

I have to admit, I hate watching the races on the computer, so it is kind of a big deal for me. But honestly they would only show the first couple from Tampa live anyway. Then they pick up Turfway, then various other tracks would start you would get a few Tampa races on delay. By the end of the card you would be lucky just to get results.

I just dont understand why they can't show all the races without all the talking head nonsense. It's inevitable that there will be breaks between races, fill that up with the studio talk and show the damn races when they are run.

Rudeboyelvis 12-09-2011 06:45 PM

Dish Network offers the Roberts Simulcast package - same feeds as the OTB's...Don't know if it worth switching and then paying for it, but it's an option at least. Does TVG carry GP? I figured that would be a HRTV signal since it's a Stronach track... If not, they better hope for an exciting Inner meet.

I like their Hollywood Park coverage, but that meet is over in a couple weeks and then their Cali signal goes away too. Good luck to 'em. Foolish move.

dagolfer33 12-09-2011 08:28 PM

They must find it embarrassing when they have one of their "feature" tracks cancel, and they announce "we dont have any other video content we can show you" when there are 10 other tracks running.:zz:

tector 12-09-2011 11:49 PM

At this time of year TVG is utterly worthless anyway.

Seattleallstar 12-09-2011 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tector (Post 823807)
At this time of year TVG is utterly worthless anyway.

TVG is the only account I have and I am more than happy with them. As long as I can wager and watch Tampa im ok. Hollywood, Gulfstream Aqueduct and Tampa is all i need and want

Coach Pants 12-10-2011 06:32 AM

They need to merge with HRTV or one buy out the other. It is absolutely ridiculous to have two horse racing networks and even more so to have so many talking heads on the payroll for both networks.

Most of them should be unemployed and spending their days at Occupy Los Angeles.

The Devil 12-10-2011 07:19 AM

[quote=Coach Pants;823817]They need to merge with HRTV

:tro::tro:

Bigsmc 12-10-2011 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 823808)
TVG is the only account I have and I am more than happy with them. As long as I can wager and watch Tampa im ok. Hollywood, Gulfstream Aqueduct and Tampa is all i need and want

Your missing the point. The thread is about TVG the television channel, not TVG the ADW.

Bigsmc 12-10-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 823817)
They need to merge with HRTV or one buy out the other. It is absolutely ridiculous to have two horse racing networks and even more so to have so many talking heads on the payroll for both networks.

Most of them should be unemployed and spending their days at Occupy Los Angeles.

Agree 100%.

3kings 12-10-2011 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tector (Post 823807)
TVG is utterly worthless anyway.

FTFY

Rudeboyelvis 12-10-2011 08:19 AM

I'm clearly in the minority, but I think they do a great job @ the California tracks - the paddock interviews provide first hand insight directly from the trainers you will get no where else, having Ron Ellis' perspective on air is impressive, and quite frankly, I don't have any of the issues with most of the on air talent that's gets displayed here regularly, especially now with the departure of Ken Rudolph. As for the rest of their coverage, I can take it or leave it.

Stark comparison to the unwatchable / unlistenable derck the is spewed out of HRTV 24hrs a day, that is when they aren't re-running the same 6 pre-recorded programs over and over again. Siegel and Lurrie are the exceptions - but for the rest - you can have 'em.

I'm in Matt's camp - I don't care to watch racing on the computer, and am disappointed that they can't seem to come to an agreement on the price of the signal. It will severely impact TBD's handle, and TVG's viewership.

Lose -Lose for both of them. Foolish is the only word that comes to mind.

3kings 12-10-2011 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 823827)
I'm clearly in the minority, but I think they do a great job @ the California tracks - the paddock interviews provide first hand insight directly from the trainers you will get no where else, having Ron Ellis' perspective on air is impressive, and quite frankly, I don't have any of the issues with most of the on air talent that's gets displayed here regularly, especially now with the departure of Ken Rudolph. As for the rest of their coverage, I can take it or leave it.

Stark comparison to the unwatchable / unlistenable derck the is spewed out of HRTV 24hrs a day, that is when they aren't re-running the same 6 pre-recorded programs over and over again. Siegel and Lurrie are the exceptions - but for the rest - you can have 'em.

I'm in Matt's camp - I don't care to watch racing on the computer, and am disappointed that they can't seem to come to an agreement on the price of the signal. It will severely impact TBD's handle, and TVG's viewership.

Lose -Lose for both of them. Foolish is the only word that comes to mind.

I agree about the Cali coverage but the Santa Anita gap leaves them with very little content. Rudolph leaving has made TVG better.

MaTH716 12-10-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 823827)
I'm clearly in the minority, but I think they do a great job @ the California tracks - the paddock interviews provide first hand insight directly from the trainers you will get no where else, having Ron Ellis' perspective on air is impressive, and quite frankly, I don't have any of the issues with most of the on air talent that's gets displayed here regularly, especially now with the departure of Ken Rudolph. As for the rest of their coverage, I can take it or leave it.

Stark comparison to the unwatchable / unlistenable derck the is spewed out of HRTV 24hrs a day, that is when they aren't re-running the same 6 pre-recorded programs over and over again. Siegel and Lurrie are the exceptions - but for the rest - you can have 'em.

I'm in Matt's camp - I don't care to watch racing on the computer, and am disappointed that they can't seem to come to an agreement on the price of the signal. It will severely impact TBD's handle, and TVG's viewership.

Lose -Lose for both of them. Foolish is the only word that comes to mind.

It's fustrating to me, to see the type of program they can roll out for Hollywood/Los Al (with the exception of the Late Double :rolleyes:) and how everything else pales in comparison. I also find it amazing that they will park a team to cover a track like Monmouth for the entire summer, but stay away from the New York Circuit with the exception of The Belmont, Opening day at The Spa and The Travers.
Why not have an East Coast base at a major track there and provide the same type of coverage that they give Hollywood and Del Mar?

On the flip side, I would also be thrilled with one person in the handicapping pod, just setting up, showing and giving results for every race as it goes off.

I just don't understand how Betfair who's trying to get a foothold in the country is going to develop more of a fanbase and more importantly bettors by continuely dropping tracks/content from it's roster. You would think that adding tracks/races would be the way to develop buisness.

geeker2 12-10-2011 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 823831)
I agree about the Cali coverage but the Santa Anita gap leaves them with very little content. Rudolph leaving has made TVG better.


Hey I'm available !


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3kings 12-10-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 823835)
It's fustrating to me, to see the type of program they can roll out for Hollywood/Los Al (with the exception of the Late Double :rolleyes:) and how everything else pales in comparison. I also find it amazing that they will park a team to cover a track like Monmouth for the entire summer, but stay away from the New York Circuit with the exception of The Belmont, Opening day at The Spa and The Travers.
Why not have an East Coast base at a major track there and provide the same type of coverage that they give Hollywood and Del Mar?

On the flip side, I would also be thrilled with one person in the handicapping pod, just setting up, showing and giving results for every race as it goes off.

I just don't understand how Betfair who's trying to get a foothold in the country is going to develop more of a fanbase and more importantly bettors by continuely dropping tracks/content from it's roster. You would think that adding tracks/races would be the way to develop buisness.

They only put an effort($$$$$) in where they are the exclusive provider of that track.
Hollywood, Delmar, Monmouth, Woodbine etc.... are all TVG exclusive except for an occaisional big day.

Coach Pants 12-10-2011 09:24 AM

The industry as a whole is failing miserably with on-air talent and that includes the on-track feed analysts outside of NYRA.

If the intent is to have moderately attractive young women as analysts then they need to do a better job of making me stop thinking that these women slept their way into the position.

I'm not going to name names. That wouldn't be fair to those involved and I wouldn't have any ground to stand on...

GPK 12-10-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 823843)
The industry as a whole is failing miserably with on-air talent and that includes the on-track feed analysts outside of NYRA.

If the intent is to have moderately attractive young women as analysts then they need to do a better job of making me stop thinking that these women slept their way into the position.

I'm not going to name names. That wouldn't be fair to those involved and I wouldn't have any ground to stand on...

Well, just give us their initials then:D

NTamm1215 12-10-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 823843)
The industry as a whole is failing miserably with on-air talent and that includes the on-track feed analysts outside of NYRA.

If the intent is to have moderately attractive young women as analysts then they need to do a better job of making me stop thinking that these women slept their way into the position.

I'm not going to name names. That wouldn't be fair to those involved and I wouldn't have any ground to stand on.

This is very well stated.

VOL JACK 12-10-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 823845)
This is very well stated.

:tro:

MaTH716 12-10-2011 09:45 AM

You can have the best on air talent in the world, if you choose not to show the races, what difference does it really make?

Alan07 12-10-2011 12:37 PM

who needs Tampa when you can show the exciting quarter horses from Hialeah! :rolleyes:

Calzone Lord 12-10-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 823908)
who needs Tampa when you can show the exciting quarter horses from Hialeah! :rolleyes:

On-air trainer interviews of a 15/1 shot by phone, in race #2, of a quarter horse race on a Saturday afternoon.

TVG is in fine form.

3kings 12-10-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 823911)
On-air trainer interviews of a 15/1 shot by phone, in race #2, of a quarter horse race on a Saturday afternoon.

TVG is in fine form.

It is saturday afternoon and they have 2 tracks going, Aqueduct and Hialeah quarters. How sad.

cmorioles 12-10-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 823911)
On-air trainer interviews of a 15/1 shot by phone, in race #2, of a quarter horse race on a Saturday afternoon.

TVG is in fine form.

They won't be in business long if this keeps up. NYRA has to love this though.

Calzone Lord 12-10-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 823919)
They won't be in business long if this keeps up. NYRA has to love this though.

It's been a banner day for frivolous foul claims there at AQU today ... perhaps the jocks are just trying to save TVG viewers from longer TVG quarter horse commentary.

blackthroatedwind 12-10-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 823921)
It's been a banner day for frivolous foul claims there at AQU today ... perhaps the jocks are just trying to save TVG viewers from longer TVG quarter horse commentary.

The one in the 2nd was a Twilight Zone episode.....and in the 3rd and 4th both riders that claimed actually commited fouls.

Unreal.

cmorioles 12-10-2011 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 823921)
It's been a banner day for frivolous foul claims there at AQU today ... perhaps the jocks are just trying to save TVG viewers from longer TVG quarter horse commentary.


I know next to nothing about QHs, and it still dwarfs what these guys actually talking about those races. Thank goodness for Hawthorne!

freddymo 12-10-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 823929)
I know next to nothing about QHs, and it still dwarfs what these guys actually talking about those races. Thank goodness for Hawthorne!

At GP on the grass in the 6th or 7th (didnt pay attention) the first quarter was 24.XX and the second was posted during the race at 44.xx then the 3q was like 1:14.xx its hard to consider betting on something that cant figure out how to time a race to a point?

Seattleallstar 12-10-2011 11:46 PM

They should probably have Les Onaka on and handicapping the thoroughbreds, I would like to see more of Les, they should also have Gary Seibel back on in the evenings when the harness races is on, that Geno is horrible and has a face for radio.

MaTH716 12-11-2011 12:51 PM

I just don't understand how TVG thinks that this is a positive move, by only offering Aqueduct and Turfway to viewers.

cmorioles 12-11-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 824044)
They should probably have Les Onaka on and handicapping the thoroughbreds, I would like to see more of Les...

Not getting enough sleep or need to hear about more favorites?

jms62 12-11-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 823951)
At GP on the grass in the 6th or 7th (didnt pay attention) the first quarter was 24.XX and the second was posted during the race at 44.xx then the 3q was like 1:14.xx its hard to consider betting on something that cant figure out how to time a race to a point?

What does the timing of yesterdays race have to do with the PP of the horses going into it? Its not like they have lines from GP during this meet to be considered.

cmorioles 12-11-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 823951)
At GP on the grass in the 6th or 7th (didnt pay attention) the first quarter was 24.XX and the second was posted during the race at 44.xx then the 3q was like 1:14.xx its hard to consider betting on something that cant figure out how to time a race to a point?

Not really the place for this. It gets old with Gulfstream, really old. I'm sure you can check it out on Trakus and give us your thoughts.

cmorioles 12-11-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 824173)
What does the timing of yesterdays race have to do with the PP of the horses going into it? Its not like they have lines from GP during this meet to be considered.

I think he means when this PP line shows up in the future. Didn't we have a thread about timing at Gulfstream?

Coach Pants 12-11-2011 04:26 PM

Isn't Geno a sympathy case? I thought he had terminal cancer?

MaTH716 12-11-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 824230)
Isn't Geno a sympathy case? I thought he had terminal cancer?

I think he beat it.

He's not bad, he puts legit reasoning behind his picks and seems like he's playing against the chalk (at last the couple of times I've seen him on the air).


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