Empire Way
 

a full brother to Royal Delta debuts today in the 4th at Hollywood,

I prefer the 2 and the 5 in this spot. Actually this race looks pretty dam good on paper. Hopefully a few of them can run now and long term.

Wow was I wrong. He never touched that 1. Visually impressive, but kinda slow.

He's going to be a serious force on the Derby trail. He wants no part of 6 1/2f.

That's what they said about Dialed In last year around this time. Of course, he was a force up until the actual Classics.

John White touted this horse a month ago. He's bred to run all day so winning at 6 1/2 could mean he has some real talent.

Apt comparison. :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out the parallels between two route-type horses who won sprint debuts impressively late in their two year old season. I anticipate that Empire Way will incite just as much enthusiasm as Dialed In did last year at this time.

However, the comparison ends there. Empire Way has clearly proven today that he is much better than this year's Florida Derby winner.

I still don't really see the parallels. Their debuts were very different. Obviously Empire Way needs to run way faster if he's going to be competitive in real races. . . if he turns out to be a one turn horse, he won't be anything special at all.

This is nearly the complete antithesis to your first post. Thanks, I'll get off the merry-go-round here.

My point is that if you think he's really a one-turn horse, then he's in trouble. I, however, don't think he is. . . at all.

OUCH

That should propel him to greatness.

I am just hoping Pedigree Ann is willing and able to step in here and rectify all the misconceptions of these silly BSF and what they DONT mean. Once Ann straightens out the issues and speaks on the regal nature of this family all will be enlightened to REALITY not some silly figure..

Come on Ann HELP

She's waiting until after his next race to tell us why he ran the way he did. However, from now on she will only be posting in the " Screening Room."

Well that is Mean! I hope Steve starts a "Friends of Anne" Room that is by invite only.. You won't be getting an invite that's for sure! It's only for the real custodians of racing, not the bad people who don't love the race horse.

Just saw the race, and thought it was visually impressive, hope for really big things for this horse..

As far as a Derby horse goes, how about Consortium from Kiaran M, won for fun Saturday and did it the right way. My only problem with him is he reminds me a lot of Alpha. Alpha might still be OK, but no one can argue that he has not disapointed after his impressive debut at Saratoga.

That 65 beyer was without ever being asked at all.... I also thought he looked pretty good.

Wow. That's a shock. Visually it looked alot better than that. BTW kids don't be fooled by how the rider either drives or doesn't. I've learned over the years to TRUST THE NUMBER. I've seen a thousand races where the jocks was motionless but the horse especially a young one was doing his best. The horses don't have the reasoning in their minds to gear it down. They just run. Rosario asked him to roll pretty good going to the quarter pole. From there in regardless of what he did I expect Empire Way was pretty much doing close to his best. The numbers tend to be the closest things to fact. Adjusting off those with something tough to quantify usually is not nearly as reliable. TRUST THE NUMBERS. Will be very interesting to see what Thoro-graph and Ragozin give him.

Piece of information, Vic.....most people here understand horse racing better than you.

I find that hard to fathom. Vic has worked as a race caller, bloodstock agent, and Jocks agent at the same time!!! How many people have been able to juggle so many balls, with the level of integrity and knowledge that Vic has? You think its easy to be an expert at all three areas of the industry and keep your feet firmly planted in Loyalty and Honesty?

Just call me one of Vic's Kids

What was so shocking about the number, Vic? They crawled and came home slow

Split times - R4) 23 / 46.3 / 1.11.3 / 1.17.4 (1.17.93)

32k claimers immediately preceding - R3) 23 / 46.1 / 1.09.3 / 1.15.3 (1.15.79)

The only thing particularly impressive, visually or otherwise, about that performance is where they found the plugs to line up with him.... I don't take anything away from him - a win is a win and he got the job done without urging, in nothing more than a typical workout fashion - that number is generous if anything at all.

Perhaps Empire Way is a dirt horse too.

I don't see any relevance to what number he got for this spot.

One way to look at it is to factor in Mike Harrington's opinion. Perhaps he was full of sh!t or perhaps his judgement isn't particularly sharp, but he claimed he'd be "surprised" if that horse won yesterday. He was certain the horse needed two turns.

Coupling the speed figure the winner earned with the fact that he did win despite the trainer's reservations suggests that the race was utterly horrendous. In that sense, you might say that Empire Way is still a "maiden" (especially since it didn't appear to be even much of a schooling race for him). And yet he will be facing winners next time out.

OK. Who knows more about horse racing wasn't exactly the purpose of my post. Just contributing to the thread about Empire Way.

Maybe shocking is not the right word. However he seemed to look like he was running better than a 65. Again, that's why I trust the figures much more than my eye. Even after 30 years.

Freddy! Please no more kids:). Guess you can't make everybody happy. Don't forget this year I added another juggle to the resume. Steward. Wow. What a ride that was.

Thanks for the kind words.

No, you were being your usual condescending self, acting the bigshot deigning to talk to the little folk.

You're like Mr. Short Term Memory Man in that you occasionally forget that this is the board that DOESN'T fall for your act.

Wow. Saying BTW Kids is condescending? Ok if you say so.

So what about HOY?:)

I hear the International Room is where the cool kids are hanging these days.

You missed alot of the better stuff

Bwahaha

I went to webster.com for that one. At Derby Trail, I learn something new every day.

Just when you think this may become an INSTANT CLASSIC, censorship rears it's ugly head:)

Call it the Riot Police.

I wish I could. I'm 52. Started in the business at 17. Actually that's 35 years. Yeesh and I thought I couldn't feel any worse.

Why would saying I trust the numbers more after 30 years than my eye prompt you to say "Can't help yourself"?

Wow. I just posted about a horse I called Sunday.

Didn't realize there was such a smoldering caldron.:eek:

Tell us, Rollo, what do you think of Empire Way's Beyer?