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DiscreetCat=Monster 09-13-2006 03:07 AM

Discreet Cat Match Race?
 
Is this for real, Frankel is saying everyone is so scared of Discreet Cat that it wouldn't suprise him if his horse would be the only other entrant in the race, and for the 1st time since KONA GOLD if something unforeseen happen to Latent Heat it would be a $90,000 public workout.

Latent Heat, a son of Cherokee Run, could run next in the Grade 2, $150,000 Jerome Breeders’ Cup for three-year-olds at one mile on October 1st. Discreet Cat, who is undefeated and simply freakish, is also pointing to the Jerome.

“I’m not anxious to run against Discreet Cat, but I’ll nominate and see,” Frankel said. “If the Jerome is a two-horse race, I’ll run. Let’s make it interesting.”
:D

Hickory Hill Hoff 09-13-2006 06:47 AM

It would be "no match" for Discreet Cat, he would smoke Latent Heat by 10 or more!

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-13-2006 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
It would be "no match" for Discreet Cat, he would smoke Latent Heat by 10 or more!

sirens lure would be a nice contender...

randallscott35 09-13-2006 07:58 AM

Hooves, Siren's Lure is not 3 so he couldn't face him in the Jerome.

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-13-2006 07:59 AM

im thinking of any horse to go vs cat ...but you are right..

The Bid 09-13-2006 08:40 AM

Keep thinking, because their arent any. Hes the truth, HOLLA ATCHA Discrete Cat.

SniperSB23 09-13-2006 09:44 AM

As long as the top five payout then everyone with a gelding would have to be an idiot to not enter and take the free money. I'm sure Saint Daimon will run, he races every week as it is.

Gander 09-13-2006 09:48 AM

Siren Lure ran possibly the most impressive race I have seen all meet at Delmar. There was an extreme speed bias that day and he closed from the clouds to beat a very tough Pure Gold. If you havent seen this race, please watch a replay. I believe it was on Sunday August 20th.

sumitas 09-13-2006 10:21 AM

There are horses that can take on Discreet Cat. He is not a superman. They can all be beat, including Bernardini. I don't care how much you pay for a horse, they can be beat.

Gander 09-13-2006 10:36 AM

I'd like to see Discreet Cat run against War Front in the Vosburgh.

sumitas 09-13-2006 12:02 PM

The Sheiks and Coolmore are worthy sporting adversaries but they can be beat with solid horses with solid pedigrees. Only problem is when that happens, they buy them too, LOL.

Bold Reasoning 09-13-2006 12:04 PM

I think Ward and/or Zito will sneak in with runners.

SniperSB23 09-13-2006 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning
I think Ward and/or Zito will sneak in with runners.

It would be a good spot for Minister's Bid.

dalakhani 09-13-2006 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
I'd like to see Discreet Cat run against War Front in the Vosburgh.

Gander-

I would have to think that War Front would win at 6f.

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2006 01:33 PM

Discrete Cat is good, maybe very good, but he is a laimo who almost never races. The way people talk you would think he has started 10 times and won ten races by more than ten lengths each. Sorry, his drubbing of Accountforthegold doesn't have me in shivers. Add that to his fake wins in Dubai ( somehow I don't feel Invasor's performance was representative of his ability....don't know about you but I would take my chances with Invasor against Testimony heads up ) and you have an undeniably fast colt who has NEVER faced any real competition in a real race. Let's see him face some opposition, perhaps a little intra-race trouble, and see how good he really is. Annointing horses world beaters based on allowance wins is, at best, a slippery slope.

Not saying he isn't very talented but this praise is absurd.

Cajungator26 09-13-2006 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Discrete Cat is good, maybe very good, but he is a laimo who almost never races. The way people talk you would think he has started 10 times and won ten races by more than ten lengths each. Sorry, his drubbing of Accountforthegold doesn't have me in shivers. Add that to his fake wins in Dubai ( somehow I don't feel Invasor's performance was representative of his ability....don't know about you but I would take my chances with Invasor against Testimony heads up ) and you have an undeniably fast colt who has NEVER faced any real competition in a real race. Let's see him face some opposition, perhaps a little intra-race trouble, and see how good he really is. Annointing horses world beaters based on allowance wins is, at best, a slippery slope.

Not saying he isn't very talented but this praise is absurd.

Very similar to the praise for Malibu Moon who only raced twice. Lord only knows what the fascination with him was. LOL

dalakhani 09-13-2006 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Discrete Cat is good, maybe very good, but he is a laimo who almost never races. The way people talk you would think he has started 10 times and won ten races by more than ten lengths each. Sorry, his drubbing of Accountforthegold doesn't have me in shivers. Add that to his fake wins in Dubai ( somehow I don't feel Invasor's performance was representative of his ability....don't know about you but I would take my chances with Invasor against Testimony heads up ) and you have an undeniably fast colt who has NEVER faced any real competition in a real race. Let's see him face some opposition, perhaps a little intra-race trouble, and see how good he really is. Annointing horses world beaters based on allowance wins is, at best, a slippery slope.

Not saying he isn't very talented but this praise is absurd.

I agree, BTW. But then again, isnt all we do these days is annoint champions? Heck, if I question the competition that a Mineshaft or a Lost in the Fog faced I am viewed as some type of heretic.

Bernardini is a fine horse but what will he do against a full field of quality? Or Discreet Cat or any of them.

I will say this...taking a futures BC bet on any of them at anything less than say 8-1 is extremely foolish.

The Bid 09-13-2006 01:42 PM

It would be a good spot for Ward to try to sneak in with Ministers Bid. The only problem being Ward has no clue what planet he is on, nonetheless what kind of horses he has, or what to do with them

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2006 01:45 PM

Bernardini is a hardened veteran compared to Discrete Cat. He ran in some real races....he dealt with the pace in the Preakness, rated kindly even when Brother Derek flew up on his flank on the backstretch, and laughed off the shenanigans the Bluegrass Cat/High Cotton tandem had planned for him going into the first turn of the Travers. Not saying these were gargantuan tasks but they at least showed something about Bernardini. Discrete Cat? What the hell has he done? He won a race in Dubai so suspect that Testimony, a virtual 20 claimer BUT owned by Darley, was able to somehow finish second. He won an allowance race with a perfect and trouble-free trip at Saratoga versus nothing and nobody. What he is is fast...very fast. What he also is is sore....very sore. What he also is is a horse who has faced absolutely no tests in his entire career. Maybe he's so great that no horse in the world can ever get close to him.

I'll be betting he isn't.

oracle80 09-13-2006 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Very similar to the praise for Malibu Moon who only raced twice. Lord only knows what the fascination with him was. LOL

He turned into quite a nice sire. Perhaps that fascination wasn't so far off.

boswd 09-13-2006 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bernardini is a hardened veteran compared to Discrete Cat. He ran in some real races....he dealt with the pace in the Preakness, rated kindly even when Brother Derek flew up on his flank on the backstretch, and laughed off the shenanigans the Bluegrass Cat/High Cotton tandem had planned for him going into the first turn of the Travers. Not saying these were gargantuan tasks but they at least showed something about Bernardini. Discrete Cat? What the hell has he done? He won a race in Dubai so suspect that Testimony, a virtual 20 claimer BUT owned by Darley, was able to somehow finish second. He won an allowance race with a perfect and trouble-free trip at Saratoga versus nothing and nobody. What he is is fast...very fast. What he also is is sore....very sore. What he also is is a horse who has faced absolutely no tests in his entire career. Maybe he's so great that no horse in the world can ever get close to him.


I'll be betting he isn't.

what kills me is the whole What could have been scenerio. What would we be looking at if Discreet Cat was never sold after his win in Saratoga last year. A KY Derby Winner? A winner of any of the TC races?
A Travers winner? Are his former owners kicking themselves or enjoying their big pay day? We'll never know!!!!!!!!

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2006 01:57 PM

Considering he has always been a very sore going horse I highly doubt there is any scenerio that had him running in a lot of races.

Kasept 09-13-2006 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd
Are his former owners kicking themselves or enjoying their big pay day? We'll never know!!!!!!!!

From what I've heard, Mrs. Robsham and Stan Hough have apparently NO REGRETS AT ALL about selling him.. What they have is several million dollars to remember him by...

philcski 09-13-2006 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bernardini is a hardened veteran compared to Discrete Cat. He ran in some real races....he dealt with the pace in the Preakness, rated kindly even when Brother Derek flew up on his flank on the backstretch, and laughed off the shenanigans the Bluegrass Cat/High Cotton tandem had planned for him going into the first turn of the Travers. Not saying these were gargantuan tasks but they at least showed something about Bernardini. Discrete Cat? What the hell has he done? He won a race in Dubai so suspect that Testimony, a virtual 20 claimer BUT owned by Darley, was able to somehow finish second. He won an allowance race with a perfect and trouble-free trip at Saratoga versus nothing and nobody. What he is is fast...very fast. What he also is is sore....very sore. What he also is is a horse who has faced absolutely no tests in his entire career. Maybe he's so great that no horse in the world can ever get close to him.

I'll be betting he isn't.

Not to mention distance challenged. Not discrediting Discreet Cat's performance there but I need more, he COULD be any kind.

Is it just me or do a lot of these Forestry colts have soundness (especially general soreness) issues?

Danzig2 09-13-2006 02:11 PM

most who get offers take them, or should, and the odds are with them!! i'd have to think long and hard if i ever had a diamond in the rough that ran well, and produced some legit, and lucrative offers....never know what a horse will or won't do next.

Cajungator26 09-13-2006 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oracle80
He turned into quite a nice sire. Perhaps that fascination wasn't so far off.

I'm not talking about sires though, Mike... I'm talking about on the racetrack.

Cajungator26 09-13-2006 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Not to mention distance challenged. Not discrediting Discreet Cat's performance there but I need more, he COULD be any kind.

Is it just me or do a lot of these Forestry colts have soundness (especially general soreness) issues?

Yes they do and it's because of Storm Cat IMO.

boswd 09-13-2006 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
From what I've heard, Mrs. Robsham and Stan Hough have apparently NO REGRETS AT ALL about selling him.. What they have is several million dollars to remember him by...

I'm sure they are, a few millions dollars would ease anyones mind but still in the back of their minds they have to be thinking, even just a little bit "Hmm could we have been in the winner's circle that first saturday in May?"

King Glorious 09-16-2006 01:52 PM

I'd say that there are only four dirt horses in the world that could be any kind of threat to Discreet Cat and two of them are not in training currently. The four? Bernardini, Surf Cat, Lava Man, and (hold the laughter please) Your Tent or Mine.

SniperSB23 09-16-2006 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'd say that there are only four dirt horses in the world that could be any kind of threat to Discreet Cat and two of them are not in training currently. The four? Bernardini, Surf Cat, Lava Man, and (hold the laughter please) Your Tent or Mine.

:eek:

Yeah, you have to be a pretty good horse to finish between a couple of monsters like Brother Derek and Bob and John.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-16-2006 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'd say that there are only four dirt horses in the world that could be any kind of threat to Discreet Cat and two of them are not in training currently. The four? Bernardini, Surf Cat, Lava Man, and (hold the laughter please) Your Tent or Mine.


Guess you forgot the fastest horse of all time in GHOSTZAPPER he tops my #1 hands down:D

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-16-2006 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think he was referring to horses that aren't retired.

In that case, my bad

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 09:17 PM

NEVERMIND FRANKEL GOT SCARED TOOO:D

Discreet Cat appears to be scaring most of the top 3-year-old milers away from the Oct. 1 Jerome Handicap (gr. II). Bobby Frankel, trainer of the improving Latent Heat, said he's considering the about seven-furlong Perryville Stakes (gr. III) for the colt's next start. Frankel also is high on On Board Again, who came again to defeat Superfly by a neck in a mile allowance race run in 1:35 flat on Saturday.

blackthroatedwind 09-18-2006 09:18 PM

Frankel is such a sport.

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-18-2006 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Frankel is such a sport.

I know...tell me about it. I'm sure he's a nice guy, and he did a wonderful job with GZ, but I will never forgive him for not telling the public just how sore Empire Maker was a few days before the Derby. He also did the exact same thing to us with Leroidesanimaux in the BC mile. I wouldn't have bet the horse if he would have told us (yes, I lost money on him).

With that being said, I'd be scared to run my horses against DC too. You'd be running for second. There is no telling just how talented that colt is. Why, he may even be scarier than that monster Bernardini!

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-25-2006 09:15 AM

A little birdie flew by my window and told me he worked today but i am awaiting the results. Monday Sep 25th

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-25-2006 06:47 PM

Got The Bullet
 
On Monday, Discreet Cat completed preparations for Saturday's Jerome by working five furlongs in 59.67 seconds over Belmont Park's main track. It was the fastest of 25 moves at the distance. Under regular rider Garrett Gomez, Discreet Cat went his first three furlongs in 36 seconds, and galloped out six furlongs in 1:12.40


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